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Kaneh
Canada737 Posts
On May 12 2010 10:35 ktp wrote: How is this law going to stop illegal immigration again? How are laws going to stop criminals again? ... really, it's not gonna stop criminals from committing crimes, but it gives police something they can enforce. | ||
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hordeau
United States157 Posts
On May 12 2010 09:58 ragnasaur wrote: Personally, as a non-mexican arizonan i find this law comparable to Nazi Germany's separation and purification techniques, and all together just flat out wack. Waaay off on comparison there. I support the bill 100%. There's nothing more annoying than dealing with a mexicant who doesn't speak any english at all. Simply put, this bill is allowing Arizona cops to clean up the streets from all the illegals hopping over and being able to take swift action against them too. It's no different than a cop pulling over for going 5mph over the speed limit at 3am and then asking if he can search your car. It's just now with this law, they can pull you over just because they can. Racial profiling has been around for an extremely long time, only now has it finally gotten a law to back it up and people are freaking out over it. | ||
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Ranix
United States666 Posts
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jpak
United States5045 Posts
On May 12 2010 10:23 illu wrote: Is this because they pay taxes for goods and services? No, a lot of them actually pay income and payroll taxes, as well as various state and federal taxes. The reason why the numbers seem skewed towards illegal immigrants is because at least 1/3 of them receive their pay "under the table," which does not get taxed. Those who do pay, however, pay a lot more taxes than the benefits they get, which is only emergency care and K-12 education (there was a bill in 1996 that stripped illegal immigrants of all benefits granted to U.S citizens except those 2). | ||
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Zeke50100
United States2220 Posts
I know racial profiling has been around for a long time, but the fact that there's a LAW that is inherently racist in this way just bugs me. What's worse is that Minnesota legislators are considering it. | ||
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phosphorylation
United States2935 Posts
but it's going to be effective and we are in dire need of effective laws | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
On May 12 2010 10:43 Zeke50100 wrote: This law is definitely unconstitutional. Reasonable suspicion? I'm sorry, but the only incidents I've read about so far are people being stopped for something arbitrary (speeding, broken tail-light, etc), then being detained because they look Mexican. I know racial profiling has been around for a long time, but the fact that there's a LAW that is inherently racist in this way just bugs me. What's worse is that Minnesota legislators are considering it. Please tell me how enforcing federal law (specifically related to this law) is in any way unconstitutional. | ||
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jpak
United States5045 Posts
On May 12 2010 10:47 On_Slaught wrote: Please tell me how enforcing federal law (specifically related to this law) is in any way unconstitutional. Something about the state trying to do a job that only the federal government is supposed to do. | ||
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Froadac
United States6733 Posts
On May 12 2010 10:17 illu wrote: I am really confused as to how illegals in the states get benefits. Someone above mentioned this; when I watched Law and Order this was mentioned countless number of times. Maybe we are talking about different benefits? In Canada to enroll in schools you need several documents to prove that you are the person you say you are; to get health care you need a health card, which shouldn't be accessible by someone who arrived illegally. To claim employment insurance you need a SIN card.... so unless a person manages to fake all of that (which is pretty hard, I think, because all of them have a number to it, which is probably linked to some databse), I don't see anyone in Canada illegally can get any benefits at all. To the above if you are born in the US you are a citizen and get benefits. If you aren't you just go in for emergency services when you need medical care. I slightly agree with this law, although it has some issues relating to racial profiling. Among the stupidest quotes I've heard on the issue: "It discriminates against illegal immigrants" | ||
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iSTime
1579 Posts
Suppose I am pulled over by a cop in Nevada. What do I need to have on me to prove that I am not here illegally? Is just having a drivers license enough, or do I need something further than this? If I need more than a license, the law is complete bullshit, since 95+% of people could be hauled into jail for practically no reason. If all I need is a license, it seems more reasonable, but honestly, you're gonna get fucked in the ass for driving without a license anyway. Also, what if I am some 16 year old who gets into a situation where police are involved and don't have any form of ID? Are cops allowed to cuff me just for that? | ||
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ILIVEFORAIUR
United States173 Posts
2. You can honestly say if a white person and an Hispanic person were both standing in front of a home depot wearing beat up clothes, a cop would ask the white person for their papers. If you can you are living in a fantasy world. 3. Skipping... 4. How would you feel if all of a sudden you were asked for your papers by a cop without reason? P.S. I choose not to follow laws all the time. 5. The term "show me your papers" was made popular by the NAZI party. 6. If it is so "widely known" that the CoP is against this bill then, it won't be enforced at all and is completely meaningless. So why pass it in the first place? 7. Look up your history, it wasn't that long ago that Arizona was mexico. 8. Our state DID NOT pass this. The state government did. With a democratic republic, like we have, we elect the representatives who decide these laws. "Deal with it or leave the country or just don't come to Arizona we don't care." Are you serious? That is a remarkably ignorant way of expressing your opinion. To all who read: Pleas don't think that On_Slaught represents the state of Arizona. I for one am against this bill and all those who support it. I believe this saying will become popular in the coming months..."You can have sex with a 15 year old in Arkansas, the confederate flag is still displayed with pride in the south, and you can't be Hispanic in Arizona." Sad, sad period indeed... | ||
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ILIVEFORAIUR
United States173 Posts
On May 12 2010 10:50 PJA wrote: Also, what if I am some 16 year old who gets into a situation where police are involved and don't have any form of ID? Are cops allowed to bring cuff me just for that? Yes sadly. | ||
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iSTime
1579 Posts
If this is true I don't understand how anyone can support this law. | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
On May 12 2010 10:49 jpak wrote: Something about the state trying to do a job that only the federal government is supposed to do. States have the right to police their own land. Just because Arizona happens to border another country doesn't dissolve their right to police their own land. It's not like this law applies to border patrol (a federal force). | ||
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Molybdenum
United States358 Posts
They would probably call your parents/guardian to prove identification. They'd be calling them anyway, really. If you get cuffed, it would be for whatever you did wrong in the first place. | ||
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iSTime
1579 Posts
On May 12 2010 10:54 Molybdenum wrote: They would probably call your parents/guardian to prove identification. They'd be calling them anyway, really. If you get cuffed, it would be for whatever you did wrong in the first place. Probably isn't really good enough though. Suppose I get into a fight with a friend, and it happens to be in a public enough place that the police get involved. If we're both white, and clearly not severely injured, we're pretty much both going to get a slap on the wrist at worst, especially if we're both juveniles. Perhaps our parents would get called, but that doesn't even happen most of the time. If one of us is of mexican descent or looks mexican or whatever, under the current law that person would probably be treated very differently, which is blatant racism. You can blame the cops for letting off white kids too easily and say that it has nothing to do with the law, but when you KNOW racist behavior will result from a law you're basically supporting racism and masking that fact by blaming the police. | ||
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phosphorylation
United States2935 Posts
Unsavory? Well, illegally immigrating isn't exactly savory either. | ||
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Persev
United States127 Posts
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waxypants
United States479 Posts
On May 12 2010 10:30 Kaneh wrote: How is any of this bad? They're illegal immigrants. illegal. as in, they're not lawfully in the country/state. They're criminals. And where does racial profiling come in? It states, and i quote, "WHERE REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS". How is it unconstitutional? It basically states "Where a law enforcement officer has reasonable suspicion that someone is a illegal immigrant (criminal), they can ask for ID to confirm." So it basically allows officers to uphold a law that's already in the criminal code. What the hell, you're completely missing the point. Most of the people who will get harassed by these cops will not be illegal immigrants, they will just be brown. | ||
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FraCuS
United States1072 Posts
so i support this. http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/4816/1273570504055.jpg thats cool. | ||
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