Anytime someone does anything that a cop finds questionable they are at risk of being questioned. Obviously a cop will only question someone regarding their mexican affiliation based on their looks or accent. In any encounter with a cop, one will always be asked for their personal information (regardless of how that person knows how to handle the situation), so in my opinion, adding that the police can only question someone after a lawful stop is a bullhonkey cover-up of a pigs get out of jail free card. This will result in many wrongful incarcerations. People getting detained with rights to be in America, and others being deported without proper documentation or alibi. Yes, this law enforces an american citizenship, but i believe at the cost of too much racial profiling, and further separation between 2 majorities for a country founded on immigrants.
On May 12 2010 11:35 ragnasaur wrote: Yes, this law enforces an american citizenship, but i believe at the cost of too much racial profiling, and further separation between 2 majorities for a country founded on immigrants.
america was founded by immigrants but it doesnt give the illegal immigrants to sneak in illegally.
the only group in arizona who want this bill to stay a law, are the old republicans with 66%. everyone else is closer to 50%, and some are far below that. not many people here feel like this bill is going to bring _anything_ positive to the state
This law might be a democratic godsend. It alienates a GOP voter bloc, Hispanics. How they will try and explain they are for a balanced budget when the state(s) that pass a law(s) which will obviously be followed by lawsuits, the expenses for holding, travel and deporting illegals, boycotts, and somehow having to explain how they could be stopped because, simply, they look like illegals.
If an inherently racist law is worded in such a way that it seems to be impartial to race, it doesn't matter; it will be used in the intended racist manner. Anything that will result in such blatant racism, despite clever wording, will be killed by the Supreme Court. Unconstitutional. The only reasonable suspicion that can be claimed by the police is how the detainee looks, despite what they may say (area is known for smuggling, or something like that). Refer to the Voting Rights Act of 1965, which, although not a result of a Supreme Court ruling, is a somewhat similar case.
Honestly, how many Canadians do you think will be targets of this? Exactly.
On May 12 2010 10:43 Zeke50100 wrote: This law is definitely unconstitutional. Reasonable suspicion? I'm sorry, but the only incidents I've read about so far are people being stopped for something arbitrary (speeding, broken tail-light, etc), then being detained because they look Mexican.
I know racial profiling has been around for a long time, but the fact that there's a LAW that is inherently racist in this way just bugs me.
What's worse is that Minnesota legislators are considering it.
Please tell me how enforcing federal law (specifically related to this law) is in any way unconstitutional.
exactly. i've read the entire bill last week. nothing in there is unconstitutional. it's going to hold up if it goes to the supreme court, unfortunatly.
1070 is only enforcing a federal law that is already in place
Illegal immigration bothers me for no other reason than the fact that it's incredibly disrespectful and unfair towards the thousand of people spending time and money to enter this country legally each day. I don't understand why it's considered racist not to tolerate it when these people are essentially breaking the law... That being said, this particular law is pretty stupid...
On a side note, even without this law, weren't police able to require people they stop to show ID anyway?
60% of Americans like this bill or think its not tough enough. Per the New York Times. Fact is that we want the illegals out. And don't give me that bullshit about illegals paying taxes. They take more from the system than they will ever get in. If they want to work hard in the US and pay taxes, well there is a long line. They should get in back of it. Its called the LEGAL system. Millions of potentially legal immigrants are waiting to get in. What the illegals did was spit on the legal immigrants and cut the line.
http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070s.pdf NBA superstar Charles Barkley and others such as myself are outraged with this new law. Now officers can racially profile anyone who looks Mexican and ask them for their legality papers. I asked my mexican roommate what he would do if a cop asked him, he replied that he would tell the cop, "go fuck yourself."
According to the US Census Bureau, AZ had a 6,595,778 population in 2009. In 2008 30.1% of these people were persons of Hispanic or Latino origin. Furthermore, Arizona used to be in Mexico... "In the Mexican–American War (1847), the U.S. occupied Mexico City and forced the newly founded Mexican Republic to give up its northern territories, including what later became Arizona" (wiki) Then again, countless Native American tribes were deported when we claimed America, so I gather this is standard protocol.
This law has already started protests of the state of Arizona, including one by Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik who refuses to uphold the law, saying it is "unwise", "stupid", and "racist."
Personally, as a non-mexican arizonan i find this law comparable to Nazi Germany's separation and purification techniques, and all together just flat out wack. Thoughts? If anyone is for this law please state your reasoning as it baffles me that a resident of this fine state would support it.
If you are against this law then you are against the voice of the people. If you are against this law you are against democracy. If you are against this law you are a right-wing fascist.
Except "the people" can only indirectly influence what goes on in the government. Oh, and only a majority is required to be elected, meaning that a fairly large number of people may as well be against it. Is it against the voice of the people if only 60% actually agree with it?
And if that's sarcasm, that's great, but there was another post earlier on regarding the same issue in a non-sarcastic manner XD
On May 12 2010 09:58 ragnasaur wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZ98z4__H-g http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070s.pdf NBA superstar Charles Barkley and others such as myself are outraged with this new law. Now officers can racially profile anyone who looks Mexican and ask them for their legality papers. I asked my mexican roommate what he would do if a cop asked him, he replied that he would tell the cop, "go fuck yourself."
According to the US Census Bureau, AZ had a 6,595,778 population in 2009. In 2008 30.1% of these people were persons of Hispanic or Latino origin. Furthermore, Arizona used to be in Mexico... "In the Mexican–American War (1847), the U.S. occupied Mexico City and forced the newly founded Mexican Republic to give up its northern territories, including what later became Arizona" (wiki) Then again, countless Native American tribes were deported when we claimed America, so I gather this is standard protocol.
This law has already started protests of the state of Arizona, including one by Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik who refuses to uphold the law, saying it is "unwise", "stupid", and "racist."
Personally, as a non-mexican arizonan i find this law comparable to Nazi Germany's separation and purification techniques, and all together just flat out wack. Thoughts? If anyone is for this law please state your reasoning as it baffles me that a resident of this fine state would support it.
If you are against this law then you are against the voice of the people. If you are against this law you are against democracy. If you are against this law you are a right-wing fascist.
I pray that that's a sarcastic statement. Just because the people will it doesn't mean that it's right. Case in point, slavery.
On May 12 2010 09:58 ragnasaur wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZ98z4__H-g http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070s.pdf NBA superstar Charles Barkley and others such as myself are outraged with this new law. Now officers can racially profile anyone who looks Mexican and ask them for their legality papers. I asked my mexican roommate what he would do if a cop asked him, he replied that he would tell the cop, "go fuck yourself."
According to the US Census Bureau, AZ had a 6,595,778 population in 2009. In 2008 30.1% of these people were persons of Hispanic or Latino origin. Furthermore, Arizona used to be in Mexico... "In the Mexican–American War (1847), the U.S. occupied Mexico City and forced the newly founded Mexican Republic to give up its northern territories, including what later became Arizona" (wiki) Then again, countless Native American tribes were deported when we claimed America, so I gather this is standard protocol.
This law has already started protests of the state of Arizona, including one by Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik who refuses to uphold the law, saying it is "unwise", "stupid", and "racist."
Personally, as a non-mexican arizonan i find this law comparable to Nazi Germany's separation and purification techniques, and all together just flat out wack. Thoughts? If anyone is for this law please state your reasoning as it baffles me that a resident of this fine state would support it.
If you are against this law then you are against the voice of the people. If you are against this law you are against democracy. If you are against this law you are a right-wing fascist.
I pray that that's a sarcastic statement. Just because the people will it doesn't mean that it's right. Case in point, slavery.
So you must believe that there is some kind of objective moral truth. And you must also presumably believe that you have a means of gaining knowledge of that truth. I'd appreciate it if you explain what that truth is and how you know it
On May 12 2010 09:58 ragnasaur wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZ98z4__H-g http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070s.pdf NBA superstar Charles Barkley and others such as myself are outraged with this new law. Now officers can racially profile anyone who looks Mexican and ask them for their legality papers. I asked my mexican roommate what he would do if a cop asked him, he replied that he would tell the cop, "go fuck yourself."
According to the US Census Bureau, AZ had a 6,595,778 population in 2009. In 2008 30.1% of these people were persons of Hispanic or Latino origin. Furthermore, Arizona used to be in Mexico... "In the Mexican–American War (1847), the U.S. occupied Mexico City and forced the newly founded Mexican Republic to give up its northern territories, including what later became Arizona" (wiki) Then again, countless Native American tribes were deported when we claimed America, so I gather this is standard protocol.
This law has already started protests of the state of Arizona, including one by Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik who refuses to uphold the law, saying it is "unwise", "stupid", and "racist."
Personally, as a non-mexican arizonan i find this law comparable to Nazi Germany's separation and purification techniques, and all together just flat out wack. Thoughts? If anyone is for this law please state your reasoning as it baffles me that a resident of this fine state would support it.
If you are against this law then you are against the voice of the people. If you are against this law you are against democracy. If you are against this law you are a right-wing fascist.
I pray that that's a sarcastic statement. Just because the people will it doesn't mean that it's right. Case in point, slavery.
So you must believe that there is some kind of objective moral truth. And you must also presumably believe that you have a means of gaining knowledge of that truth. I'd appreciate it if you explain what that truth is and how you know it
Socialism is arguably one of the greatest economic ideas ever, but people think socialism means evil. Does that mean being a socialist is evil?
On May 12 2010 09:58 ragnasaur wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZ98z4__H-g http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070s.pdf NBA superstar Charles Barkley and others such as myself are outraged with this new law. Now officers can racially profile anyone who looks Mexican and ask them for their legality papers. I asked my mexican roommate what he would do if a cop asked him, he replied that he would tell the cop, "go fuck yourself."
According to the US Census Bureau, AZ had a 6,595,778 population in 2009. In 2008 30.1% of these people were persons of Hispanic or Latino origin. Furthermore, Arizona used to be in Mexico... "In the Mexican–American War (1847), the U.S. occupied Mexico City and forced the newly founded Mexican Republic to give up its northern territories, including what later became Arizona" (wiki) Then again, countless Native American tribes were deported when we claimed America, so I gather this is standard protocol.
This law has already started protests of the state of Arizona, including one by Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik who refuses to uphold the law, saying it is "unwise", "stupid", and "racist."
Personally, as a non-mexican arizonan i find this law comparable to Nazi Germany's separation and purification techniques, and all together just flat out wack. Thoughts? If anyone is for this law please state your reasoning as it baffles me that a resident of this fine state would support it.
If you are against this law then you are against the voice of the people. If you are against this law you are against democracy. If you are against this law you are a right-wing fascist.
I pray that that's a sarcastic statement. Just because the people will it doesn't mean that it's right. Case in point, slavery.
So you must believe that there is some kind of objective moral truth. And you must also presumably believe that you have a means of gaining knowledge of that truth. I'd appreciate it if you explain what that truth is and how you know it
Socialism is arguably one of the greatest economic ideas ever, but people think socialism means evil. Does that mean being a socialist is evil?
So you must believe that there is some kind of objective moral truth. And you must also presumably believe that you have a means of gaining knowledge of that truth. I'd appreciate it if you explain what that truth is and how you know it
On May 12 2010 09:58 ragnasaur wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZ98z4__H-g http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070s.pdf NBA superstar Charles Barkley and others such as myself are outraged with this new law. Now officers can racially profile anyone who looks Mexican and ask them for their legality papers. I asked my mexican roommate what he would do if a cop asked him, he replied that he would tell the cop, "go fuck yourself."
According to the US Census Bureau, AZ had a 6,595,778 population in 2009. In 2008 30.1% of these people were persons of Hispanic or Latino origin. Furthermore, Arizona used to be in Mexico... "In the Mexican–American War (1847), the U.S. occupied Mexico City and forced the newly founded Mexican Republic to give up its northern territories, including what later became Arizona" (wiki) Then again, countless Native American tribes were deported when we claimed America, so I gather this is standard protocol.
This law has already started protests of the state of Arizona, including one by Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik who refuses to uphold the law, saying it is "unwise", "stupid", and "racist."
Personally, as a non-mexican arizonan i find this law comparable to Nazi Germany's separation and purification techniques, and all together just flat out wack. Thoughts? If anyone is for this law please state your reasoning as it baffles me that a resident of this fine state would support it.
If you are against this law then you are against the voice of the people. If you are against this law you are against democracy. If you are against this law you are a right-wing fascist.
I pray that that's a sarcastic statement. Just because the people will it doesn't mean that it's right. Case in point, slavery.
So you must believe that there is some kind of objective moral truth. And you must also presumably believe that you have a means of gaining knowledge of that truth. I'd appreciate it if you explain what that truth is and how you know it
Socialism is arguably one of the greatest economic ideas ever, but people think socialism means evil. Does that mean being a socialist is evil?
So you must believe that there is some kind of objective moral truth. And you must also presumably believe that you have a means of gaining knowledge of that truth. I'd appreciate it if you explain what that truth is and how you know it
On May 12 2010 12:57 Zeke50100 wrote: Socialism is arguably one of the greatest economic ideas ever, but people think socialism means evil. Does that mean being a socialist is evil?
Socialism is a wonderful concept so long as everyone is a willing participant (which is the only way it truly works). The perceived evil part of it comes when it is forcibly imposed on unwilling participants...
On May 12 2010 09:58 ragnasaur wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZ98z4__H-g http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070s.pdf NBA superstar Charles Barkley and others such as myself are outraged with this new law. Now officers can racially profile anyone who looks Mexican and ask them for their legality papers. I asked my mexican roommate what he would do if a cop asked him, he replied that he would tell the cop, "go fuck yourself."
According to the US Census Bureau, AZ had a 6,595,778 population in 2009. In 2008 30.1% of these people were persons of Hispanic or Latino origin. Furthermore, Arizona used to be in Mexico... "In the Mexican–American War (1847), the U.S. occupied Mexico City and forced the newly founded Mexican Republic to give up its northern territories, including what later became Arizona" (wiki) Then again, countless Native American tribes were deported when we claimed America, so I gather this is standard protocol.
This law has already started protests of the state of Arizona, including one by Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik who refuses to uphold the law, saying it is "unwise", "stupid", and "racist."
Personally, as a non-mexican arizonan i find this law comparable to Nazi Germany's separation and purification techniques, and all together just flat out wack. Thoughts? If anyone is for this law please state your reasoning as it baffles me that a resident of this fine state would support it.
If you are against this law then you are against the voice of the people. If you are against this law you are against democracy. If you are against this law you are a right-wing fascist.
I pray that that's a sarcastic statement. Just because the people will it doesn't mean that it's right. Case in point, slavery.
So you must believe that there is some kind of objective moral truth. And you must also presumably believe that you have a means of gaining knowledge of that truth. I'd appreciate it if you explain what that truth is and how you know it
Socialism is arguably one of the greatest economic ideas ever, but people think socialism means evil. Does that mean being a socialist is evil?
So you must believe that there is some kind of objective moral truth. And you must also presumably believe that you have a means of gaining knowledge of that truth. I'd appreciate it if you explain what that truth is and how you know it
On May 12 2010 11:42 Zeke50100 wrote: If an inherently racist law is worded in such a way that it seems to be impartial to race, it doesn't matter; it will be used in the intended racist manner. Anything that will result in such blatant racism, despite clever wording, will be killed by the Supreme Court. Unconstitutional. The only reasonable suspicion that can be claimed by the police is how the detainee looks, despite what they may say (area is known for smuggling, or something like that). Refer to the Voting Rights Act of 1965, which, although not a result of a Supreme Court ruling, is a somewhat similar case.
Honestly, how many Canadians do you think will be targets of this? Exactly.
This is dead on.
Posts from On_Slaught and others are completely off target and show severe ignorance of the law. A state does not have free reign to do whatever it wants to secure itself, and I'm loving the whole pro-tyranny of the majority vibe going on here.
What's fun about it is this law is going to completely wreck Arizona's economy and doom the GOP in 2012.
On May 12 2010 12:26 hacpee wrote: 60% of Americans like this bill or think its not tough enough. Per the New York Times. Fact is that we want the illegals out. And don't give me that bullshit about illegals paying taxes. They take more from the system than they will ever get in. If they want to work hard in the US and pay taxes, well there is a long line. They should get in back of it. Its called the LEGAL system. Millions of potentially legal immigrants are waiting to get in. What the illegals did was spit on the legal immigrants and cut the line.
I know many recent immigrants feel this way, my mother included, but it's completely without context of the current situation. Irregular immigration is inevitable and the economy is largely dependent on it. That's why the whole system needs to be revamped.
It's also interesting that people like lOvOlUNiMEDiA can be so staunchly against an overbearing government, until it fits in with the greater GOP agenda.
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