LOL okay guys, I'll backtrack. I'll say it's not IMPOSSIBLE that somehow he's doing this, which would mean biology for him is not what it is for us.
But it's HIGHLY UNLIKELY that his reason is the REAL reason he survived to be 70 years old. It's MORE likely that he is lying/faking/cuckoo/any other number of normal reasons.
Just in the same way that it might not be Physics that's keeping the world together, that it's Beanics (my own theory of the universe, Oh snap). But its more likely to be Physics.
People who believe that his explanation is the most LIKELY explanation for his 70 year survival are stupid, empirically speaking. (i.e. they haven't seen how most people actually continue to live, biologically speaking).
Obviously, it's more likely that he ate food and drank water like normal people.
On May 05 2010 21:20 Glowy wrote: OMG I can't belive how ignorant and closed minded people can be.
The human body in rest requires about 2000 kcal a day which equals to about 40 kg of ATP which is body's energy molecule among a few others.
The body can't keep up the respiratorychain and produce ATP without having incoming energy. The citric cycle can't run out of nothing. It requires a little bit of carbonhydrates to start burning fat tissue to gain the energy needed. Let's say he do go for a certain period of time without food and water his body will consume all fat, and when all the fat is consumed the body will start breaking down proteins as a last resort of emergency energy meaning your muscle will start to break down.
While the process of breaking down protein in the body you're at risk of ending up in a coma due to the lack of carbonhydrates which is needed for the brain, becaus to explain it in an easy way the brain can't run on fat.
There you have it.
Source: Biochemistry 6th edition written by Jeremy M. Berg, John L. Tymaczko and Lubert Stryer. Chapters 15-18, 21-24.
While your post is 100% correct, it has already been made about 10 pages ago - the people believing this are saying that biology 101 is wrong and the last 2400 years of medical research is wrong...
I discovered this a few months ago while talking to my sister. You can't fight woo with science because science is "all wrong."
The "we don't know everything so therefore we know nothing" argument is so tired
On May 05 2010 23:57 mynameisbean wrote: LOL okay guys, I'll backtrack. I'll say it's not IMPOSSIBLE that somehow he's doing this, which would mean biology for him is not what it is for us.
But it's HIGHLY UNLIKELY that his reason is the REAL reason he survived to be 70 years old. It's MORE likely that he is lying/faking/cuckoo/any other number of normal reasons.
Just in the same way that it might not be Physics that's keeping the world together, that it's Beanics (my own theory of the universe, Oh snap). But its more likely to be Physics.
People who believe that his explanation is the most LIKELY explanation for his 70 year survival are stupid, empirically speaking. (i.e. they haven't seen how most people actually continue to live, biologically speaking).
Obviously, it's more likely that he ate food and drank water like normal people.
Try arguing me nao bish.
To be fair, caloric restriction has shown to improve longevity in humans. But this guy is just full of it.
On May 05 2010 10:57 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Water is still lost during other biological processes. Even if you aren't moving or sweating, you are still using energy. Your heart is beating. Your blood vessels contract and expand. Your diaphragm moves to fill your air with lungs. The brain absorbs oxygen from the blood. And so on. Meditation does not stop basic biological processes from happening
Imagine his heart rate is 10?
The lowest recorded resting heart rate from an healthy individual is 28 from a cyclist. I'm pretty sure you can't get under 20 without serious problems.
? Was done multiple times? Also most people are "pretty sure" you can't live without food or water for 2 weeks.
Your example is a cyclist. His heart muscle and arteries adapted to exercise, changed size and shape and his resting rate dropped to 28. Here you have a human being that doesn't work out or move around at all. It's a completely different mechanism. When you don't eat for weeks your heart rate drops because of your metabolism slowing down. Also, meditation allows some practitioners to control their own heart rate. Not like this was discovered 2 weeks ago.
What I stated has recorded scientific proof (28 heart rate). When I say I'm pretty sure you can't do better, it's because there isn't a lowest heart rate recorded in a controlled situation.
I'm still waiting for your proof of your statements. Until then, I highly suggest you go look at the close-mindness video that was posted earlier, you'll learn stuff in there.
The human body in rest requires about 2000 kcal a day which equals to about 40 kg of ATP which is body's energy molecule among a few others.
Did you mean to say kg? 40 kg would be an incredible amount of ATP.
I forget exactly what the number is, but this is probably within an order of magnitude. I did this calculation once and it was a surprising amount, though I seem to remember it being in the range of 1-10kg. Remember, you don't make it all at once, and the ADP + phosphate are recycled.
On May 06 2010 01:49 InfoDav wrote: What I stated has recorded scientific proof (28 heart rate). When I say I'm pretty sure you can't do better, it's because there isn't a lowest heart rate recorded in a controlled situation.
I'm still waiting for your proof of your statements. Until then, I highly suggest you go look at the close-mindness video that was posted earlier, you'll learn stuff in there.
That example of 28 that you found of wikipedia is also specifically said to be "one of the lowest" recorded heart rates. Not the lowest. It's there because it was a "perfectly observed" case.
On May 06 2010 01:49 InfoDav wrote: What I stated has recorded scientific proof (28 heart rate). When I say I'm pretty sure you can't do better, it's because there isn't a lowest heart rate recorded in a controlled situation.
I'm still waiting for your proof of your statements. Until then, I highly suggest you go look at the close-mindness video that was posted earlier, you'll learn stuff in there.
That example of 28 that you found of wikipedia is also specifically said to be "one of the lowest" recorded heart rates. Not the lowest. It's there because it was a "perfectly observed" case.
Read this, a medical experiment in a controlled environment. Way to not be close-minded, right?
Where to you get off telling people to stfu? Your insecurity is astounding.
edit: oops, nice edit, it did say "until then - stfu" LOL. All good.
Actually, that wasn't in a completely controlled environment, don't go making things up.
They left the guy alone, unmonitored save for the ECG, then afterwards admitted that he could have simply disconnected between the time they sealed him in and got him out. Sure, they can't comprehend how he could do such a thing, but it makes the study seem really sketchy.
If they wanted to run a real and legitimate study they would have at least place cameras in there with him, but they didn't even do that. It leaves real doubt as to the accuracy of the experiment.
On May 05 2010 17:52 T-P-S wrote: Okay. You've made these claims several times throughout the thread. Do you have any legitimate evidence to substantiate any of these events in which basic human biology was thwarted? All we have so far is your anecdotes. "I've read about this", "Many people have done this" and "My father did this" are probably not sufficient if your aim is actually convincing anyone.
You will find 1000s of stories about water fasting, it's really common. Here's a page out of a book written by an actual doctor:
56 days with no food, just water. This should already thwart basic human biology.
14 day "dry" fasting is somewhat rare, you can still find many notes and stories about it. I know all of this firsthand from observing my dad and the amazing things that happened to him while he was doing that (he only went for 7-9 days though). For instance, he was able to do a full split after a few fasting experiments and he was not even remotely flexible before. All the deposits in his joints were gone. His appearance changed, he looked years younger. I'll provide a couple of links here, most of my knowledge came from reading books but you can easily find this online too:
On May 06 2010 02:27 Fontong wrote: Actually, that wasn't in a completely controlled environment, don't go making things up.
They left the guy alone, unmonitored save for the ECG, then afterwards admitted that he could have simply disconnected between the time they sealed him in and got him out. Sure, they can't comprehend how he could do such a thing, but it makes the study seem really sketchy.
If they wanted to run a real and legitimate study they would have at least place cameras in there with him, but they didn't even do that. It leaves real doubt as to the accuracy of the experiment.
Please don't exaggerate things.
This isn't the only case haha. This is coming from the medical institution, rather than youtube comments (what you seem to base your knowledge off judging from some previous post)
You can dismiss anything by saying "it's a trick", I really shouldn't be trying to persuade you. You are trying to incapacitate yourself and that's common in most people.
The human body in rest requires about 2000 kcal a day which equals to about 40 kg of ATP which is body's energy molecule among a few others.
Did you mean to say kg? 40 kg would be an incredible amount of ATP.
I forget exactly what the number is, but this is probably within an order of magnitude. I did this calculation once and it was a surprising amount, though I seem to remember it being in the range of 1-10kg. Remember, you don't make it all at once, and the ADP + phosphate are recycled.
Yeah. At any given moment in time you only have enough ATP in your body for several seconds of activity. And like you say the ADP+phosphate are recycled, so the energy is really just in the bond between the second and third phosphate. So the 40kg figure maybe "correct," but it's also misleading and useless.
It's a bit like sticking a counter in a doorway somewhere in your house that counts up the number of times people pass through that door and multiplies it by the average weight of the people in your house. At the end of the day it might say that there are 17 tons of people in your house, but that's not really accurate, is it?
On May 06 2010 02:27 Fontong wrote: Actually, that wasn't in a completely controlled environment, don't go making things up.
They left the guy alone, unmonitored save for the ECG, then afterwards admitted that he could have simply disconnected between the time they sealed him in and got him out. Sure, they can't comprehend how he could do such a thing, but it makes the study seem really sketchy.
If they wanted to run a real and legitimate study they would have at least place cameras in there with him, but they didn't even do that. It leaves real doubt as to the accuracy of the experiment.
Please don't exaggerate things.
This isn't the only case haha. This is coming from the medical institution, rather than youtube comments (what you seem to base your knowledge off judging from some previous post)
You can dismiss anything by saying "it's a trick", I really shouldn't be trying to persuade you. You are trying to incapacitate yourself and that's common in most people.
Please actually read my previous comments before deciding whether or not they came from youtube. I'm not sure what you are trying to do, obviously it isn't trolling, so it's probably just laziness and/or stupidity.
It doesn't matter whether or not it came from a medical institution. The scientists themselves left the possibility of there being errors in the results. It's foolish to claim this is a rock solid scientific study, so please don't be so close minded.
Please post a more thorough study if you want to be believed. You can prove anything by saying "it's from a medical institution", but you are trying to incapacitate yourself and that's common in most people.
I'm not on a mission here, I just hope some people will open their eyes and at the very least learn a few things about fasting and the abilities of a human body, because to me it was basic knowledge since childhood.
On May 06 2010 02:41 condoriano wrote: I'm not on a mission here, I just hope some people will open their eyes and at the very least learn a few things about fasting and the abilities of a human body, because to me it was basic knowledge since childhood.
This isn't fasting, this is I survived for 70 years on meditation. How many of you would actually believe the guy if he said I survived for 70 years on sitting instead of meditation?
EPT
