On May 04 2010 22:27 Sunyveil wrote: god, I can't believe some of the things people are willing to accept.
This simply isn't biologically possible.
On May 04 2010 20:28 Zurles wrote:
On May 04 2010 20:23 Garnet wrote: Read more about Tibetan people if you don't believe this.
or more about human biology and science if you do?
winnerrrrrr
On May 04 2010 22:29 stafu wrote:
On May 04 2010 22:01 RaNgeD wrote: Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God. (Matthew 4:4)
Please.. meditation and Buddhism as a philosophy is nothing like the silly myth of Christianity.
Thank you!
take it easy, when you really think about things nothing really makes any sense, you should not only believe in science and have a narrow mind imo
Not only you, but alot of the idiots in this thread need to watch this video.
Please don't start citing that fucking critical thinking thread. No one is gonna learn critical thinking from those videos. They unnecessarily invoke controversial subject matter that defeats their ostensible goal. It's reasonably hard for even critical thinkers to be non-critical about those critical thinking videos
The video has been around for years, I'm not even quoting the thread. The videos are logically sound in every way, and if you don't respect logic then there is no point in discussion or arguing anything with you. It's completely relevant to the thread considering someone told me to be more open minded about this shit.
Hmm, those videos are completely logical in every way, eh? I think "alot" of people might disagree for one reason or another, none of which I understand; but saying that anything is "logically sound in every way" isn't exactly open-minded or analytical. Also, I assume everyone in this thread, regardless of disparate views, has questions about the biological possibility of living without water for 70 years. Consider what you do know about biology, and whether this knowledge drastically exceeds the average person's, before calling other people morons who aren't staunchly opposed to the possibility that this guy is for real after reading a couple paragraphs about him. I have no idea how you can survive without water, and if it is possible, I imagine there is an explanation that doesn't invoke the non-physical (though I'd be open to alternate possibilities - why not? after all, surviving would already be pretty fucking crazy). Still, don't bash people for the thought-processes that led them to their conclusions. It hardly takes a genius to read the headline of this article and draw the conclusion, "That's not possible!" In fact, I can't imagine anyone would read such a claim and not immediately draw that conclusion. Science aside, it's common sense that we can't survive without water. Meditation accomplishes crazy shit though (or at least scientists seem to believe it a valuable topic to study), and this is an intriguing story. There's no reason to dismiss it off-hand.
On May 04 2010 19:17 Orome wrote: 3 weeks, although impressive, is a bit short if he wants to prove his 70 years story. :p
I don't think he wants to prove anything. I've read about this phenomena a long time ago, he isn't the only Indian who's claimed this. They usually don't agree to be observed so it was considered a myth. My father went 40 days with no food, just water and in a year he did 7 or 9 days without anything. Many people has done 14 (i think?) days without food or water voluntarily. Most do this to treat many diseases (often labeled incurable by "official medicine"), especially digestion problems and ulcers etc. I'm pretty sure there are specialized hospitals that will observe and guide people undergoing this.
Ulcers are not incurable - most are caused by H. Pylori, a bacteria that can be treated easily with anti-biotics. In fact, tons of people have H. Pylori in their digestive tracts, but they are contained at levels that do not produce ulcers. The digestive system is incredibly temperamental and many disorders, like irritable bowel syndrome for example, are "incurable" because they cannot, at least according to Western physicians, be treated medicinally. The symptoms are transient though - I'm not sure if anyone's gone their whole life suffering from IBS. However, it's definitely possible that someone out their has found the cause or cure for digestive problems that still perplex Western medicine. Anyway, I totally agree with you about the fasting business. Asceticism has been around for a very, very long time. If you think no one's gone a week without water before, it is you (the general you) who is misinformed. 70 years is something else, but it's not that much more surprising than the tree man - at least until the tree man was explained - which still means it's really surprising, but it's definitely more fun to try and argue the case for this guy than against him. I don't even see how it's remotely necessary to argue the case against him.
On May 04 2010 19:17 Orome wrote: 3 weeks, although impressive, is a bit short if he wants to prove his 70 years story. :p
I don't think he wants to prove anything. I've read about this phenomena a long time ago, he isn't the only Indian who's claimed this. They usually don't agree to be observed so it was considered a myth. My father went 40 days with no food, just water and in a year he did 7 or 9 days without anything. Many people has done 14 (i think?) days without food or water voluntarily. Most do this to treat many diseases (often labeled incurable by "official medicine"), especially digestion problems and ulcers etc. I'm pretty sure there are specialized hospitals that will observe and guide people undergoing this.
Okay. You've made these claims several times throughout the thread. Do you have any legitimate evidence to substantiate any of these events in which basic human biology was thwarted? All we have so far is your anecdotes. "I've read about this", "Many people have done this" and "My father did this" are probably not sufficient if your aim is actually convincing anyone.
If the world news, and international TEAMS of doctors, and respected organisations were in on this, I'd say okay. Possible, maybe. I'd still need an explanation though.
But seriously. 3rd world medical organisations looking for some worldwide publicity. It's not exactly hard to figure out that this is fake.
Even if he makes it through 3 weeks, that doesn't prove he made it through 70 years. (O snap see what i did there?)
On May 04 2010 22:27 Sunyveil wrote: god, I can't believe some of the things people are willing to accept.
This simply isn't biologically possible.
On May 04 2010 20:28 Zurles wrote:
On May 04 2010 20:23 Garnet wrote: Read more about Tibetan people if you don't believe this.
or more about human biology and science if you do?
winnerrrrrr
On May 04 2010 22:29 stafu wrote:
On May 04 2010 22:01 RaNgeD wrote: Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God. (Matthew 4:4)
Please.. meditation and Buddhism as a philosophy is nothing like the silly myth of Christianity.
Thank you!
take it easy, when you really think about things nothing really makes any sense, you should not only believe in science and have a narrow mind imo
Not only you, but alot of the idiots in this thread need to watch this video.
Please don't start citing that fucking critical thinking thread. No one is gonna learn critical thinking from those videos. They unnecessarily invoke controversial subject matter that defeats their ostensible goal. It's reasonably hard for even critical thinkers to be non-critical about those critical thinking videos
The video has been around for years, I'm not even quoting the thread. The videos are logically sound in every way, and if you don't respect logic then there is no point in discussion or arguing anything with you. It's completely relevant to the thread considering someone told me to be more open minded about this shit.
Hmm, those videos are completely logical in every way, eh? I think "alot" of people might disagree for one reason or another, none of which I understand; but saying that anything is "logically sound in every way" isn't exactly open-minded or analytical. Also, I assume everyone in this thread, regardless of disparate views, has questions about the biological possibility of living without water for 70 years. Consider what you do know about biology, and whether this knowledge drastically exceeds the average person's, before calling other people morons who aren't staunchly opposed to the possibility that this guy is for real after reading a couple paragraphs about him. I have no idea how you can survive without water, and if it is possible, I imagine there is an explanation that doesn't invoke the non-physical (though I'd be open to alternate possibilities - why not? after all, surviving would already be pretty fucking crazy). Still, don't bash people for the thought-processes that led them to their conclusions. It hardly takes a genius to read the headline of this article and draw the conclusion, "That's not possible!" In fact, I can't imagine anyone would read such a claim and not immediately draw that conclusion. Science aside, it's common sense that we can't survive without water. Meditation accomplishes crazy shit though (or at least scientists seem to believe it a valuable topic to study), and this is an intriguing story. There's no reason to dismiss it off-hand.
these video's coming up again? its upsetting how many people are jumping on the band wagon of this second rate philosopher ¬_¬
There is definitely a caveat about that video. The guy presents the logical side as completely without blame but, very regularly you see people thinking 'scientifically' and then being very derogatory and rude to the people who are maybe making leaps of imagination. It is not scientific to be rude and make fun. It is dick. Especially in situations where there very much could be something unusual going on at work.
On May 05 2010 18:20 mynameisbean wrote: lol it's India guys.
If the world news, and international TEAMS of doctors, and respected organisations were in on this, I'd say okay. Possible, maybe. I'd still need an explanation though.
But seriously. 3rd world medical organisations looking for some worldwide publicity. It's not exactly hard to figure out that this is fake.
Even if he makes it through 3 weeks, that doesn't prove he made it through 70 years. (O snap see what i did there?)
Even if he makes it 3 weeks, it doesn't actually prove that he made it 3 weeks You would be surprised how many twinkies you can fit up your asshole to sneakily eat when no ones looking.
Newspapers are also known to have reported on everything from females getting pregnant in the eigth month of a pregnancy to cold fusion done with 2 electrodes in a glass of water. The guy hasn't gone several weeks without ingesting any kind of moisture in a hot country. He hasn't. It really doesn't matter what the newspapers say -.- If these indian "doctors" get a big article published in Nature on a 80 year old super mutant able to absorb enough water from the air to sustain himself then fine I promise I will reevaluate my worldview. Assuming said article isn't proven to be a hoax within days =p
OMG I can't belive how ignorant and closed minded people can be.
The human body in rest requires about 2000 kcal a day which equals to about 40 kg of ATP which is body's energy molecule among a few others.
The body can't keep up the respiratorychain and produce ATP without having incoming energy. The citric cycle can't run out of nothing. It requires a little bit of carbonhydrates to start burning fat tissue to gain the energy needed. Let's say he do go for a certain period of time without food and water his body will consume all fat, and when all the fat is consumed the body will start breaking down proteins as a last resort of emergency energy meaning your muscle will start to break down.
While the process of breaking down protein in the body you're at risk of ending up in a coma due to the lack of carbonhydrates which is needed for the brain, becaus to explain it in an easy way the brain can't run on fat.
There you have it.
Source: Biochemistry 6th edition written by Jeremy M. Berg, John L. Tymaczko and Lubert Stryer. Chapters 15-18, 21-24.
On May 05 2010 21:20 Glowy wrote: OMG I can't belive how ignorant and closed minded people can be.
The human body in rest requires about 2000 kcal a day which equals to about 40 kg of ATP which is body's energy molecule among a few others.
The body can't keep up the respiratorychain and produce ATP without having incoming energy. The citric cycle can't run out of nothing. It requires a little bit of carbonhydrates to start burning fat tissue to gain the energy needed. Let's say he do go for a certain period of time without food and water his body will consume all fat, and when all the fat is consumed the body will start breaking down proteins as a last resort of emergency energy meaning your muscle will start to break down.
While the process of breaking down protein in the body you're at risk of ending up in a coma due to the lack of carbonhydrates which is needed for the brain, becaus to explain it in an easy way the brain can't run on fat.
There you have it.
Source: Biochemistry 6th edition written by Jeremy M. Berg, John L. Tymaczko and Lubert Stryer. Chapters 15-18, 21-24.
While your post is 100% correct, it has already been made about 10 pages ago - the people believing this are saying that biology 101 is wrong and the last 2400 years of medical research is wrong...
On May 05 2010 21:20 Glowy wrote: OMG I can't belive how ignorant and closed minded people can be.
The human body in rest requires about 2000 kcal a day which equals to about 40 kg of ATP which is body's energy molecule among a few others.
The body can't keep up the respiratorychain and produce ATP without having incoming energy. The citric cycle can't run out of nothing. It requires a little bit of carbonhydrates to start burning fat tissue to gain the energy needed. Let's say he do go for a certain period of time without food and water his body will consume all fat, and when all the fat is consumed the body will start breaking down proteins as a last resort of emergency energy meaning your muscle will start to break down.
While the process of breaking down protein in the body you're at risk of ending up in a coma due to the lack of carbonhydrates which is needed for the brain, becaus to explain it in an easy way the brain can't run on fat.
There you have it.
Source: Biochemistry 6th edition written by Jeremy M. Berg, John L. Tymaczko and Lubert Stryer. Chapters 15-18, 21-24.
While your post is 100% correct, it has already been made about 10 pages ago - the people believing this are saying that biology 101 is wrong and the last 2400 years of medical research is wrong...
I discovered this a few months ago while talking to my sister. You can't fight woo with science because science is "all wrong."
The "we don't know everything so therefore we know nothing" argument is so tired
On May 05 2010 21:20 Glowy wrote: OMG I can't belive how ignorant and closed minded people can be.
The human body in rest requires about 2000 kcal a day which equals to about 40 kg of ATP which is body's energy molecule among a few others.
The body can't keep up the respiratorychain and produce ATP without having incoming energy. The citric cycle can't run out of nothing. It requires a little bit of carbonhydrates to start burning fat tissue to gain the energy needed. Let's say he do go for a certain period of time without food and water his body will consume all fat, and when all the fat is consumed the body will start breaking down proteins as a last resort of emergency energy meaning your muscle will start to break down.
While the process of breaking down protein in the body you're at risk of ending up in a coma due to the lack of carbonhydrates which is needed for the brain, becaus to explain it in an easy way the brain can't run on fat.
There you have it.
Source: Biochemistry 6th edition written by Jeremy M. Berg, John L. Tymaczko and Lubert Stryer. Chapters 15-18, 21-24.
While your post is 100% correct, it has already been made about 10 pages ago - the people believing this are saying that biology 101 is wrong and the last 2400 years of medical research is wrong...
I discovered this a few months ago while talking to my sister. You can't fight woo with science because science is "all wrong."
The "we don't know everything so therefore we know nothing" argument is so tired
On May 04 2010 19:03 GoodCat1 wrote: can he cast storms?
Hahahaha
There has to be more to this however. Lets say its a cold night. He needs to stay warm. The heat produced by the body is energy that he will radiate into the atmosphere. Where does the energy come from if he consumes no food?
imaging he is moving, thinking or whatever doing something. everything consumes energy. In addaition you still grow at the age of 13, so, i might be wrong, but i ate a lot when i was growing.
EPT
You would be surprised how many twinkies you can fit up your asshole to sneakily eat when no ones looking.
