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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 12 2013 22:34 GMT
#841
Because it is happening in Mexico, granted there are Cartels in every major US city but not all out war, the cause and effects can be discussed alongside the politics but the main theater is in Mexico.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 28 2013 03:33 GMT
#842
On the main road into the Mexican town of Ayutla, about 75 miles southeast of Acapulco, about a dozen men cradling shotguns and rusted machetes stand guard on a street corner. Their faces are covered in black ski masks.

The men are part of a network of self-defense brigades, formed in the southern state of Guerrero to combat the drug traffickers and organized crime gangs that terrorize residents.

The brigades have set up roadblocks, arrested suspects and are set on running the criminals out of town.


They go over patrol shifts schedules, handwritten on wrinkled papers, and communicate with other checkpoints in town via walkie-talkies. One man, who wouldn't give his name but identified himself as a "lower commander," said the townspeople had no choice but to take up arms.

The 66-year-old cattle farmer and great-grandfather says it started at the beginning of the year. His cattlemen association was told each member had to pay 500 pesos — about $40 — to a local gang, or else.

"Everyone did as they were told," he says. "Everyone paid it."

But he says people started talking about fighting back. That's when the kidnappings started. He says the gangs snatched several heads of communities in the middle of the night. The townspeople grabbed their rifles and freed the victims. Then they started stopping cars coming in and out of town, checking IDs against lists of names of so-called "bad guys."


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Deadlyhazard
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1177 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-28 04:02:11
January 28 2013 03:58 GMT
#843
I've been watching tons of documentaries/reading up on the gangs and cartels of Mexico. The Zetas scare me the most, because they're so well trained and absolutely brutal. Wish there was someway to stop it -- but because the corruption is so imbedded into even Mexican politics, I just don't see hope of recovery. Any resistance against the cartels is always met with brutality.


I honestly just don't understand how people can participate in such violent crimes. How can you torture someone or behead someone alive? Watching them scream as their vocal cords are being gutted and they die painfully? I mean, it's so fucked up. It's already starting to carry over into the Texan/Arizona/Californian/New Mexican borders pretty bad.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miguel_Treviño_Morales

This guy scares the shit out of me.
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wptlzkwjd
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada1240 Posts
January 28 2013 04:24 GMT
#844
On January 28 2013 12:58 Deadlyhazard wrote:
I've been watching tons of documentaries/reading up on the gangs and cartels of Mexico. The Zetas scare me the most, because they're so well trained and absolutely brutal. Wish there was someway to stop it -- but because the corruption is so imbedded into even Mexican politics, I just don't see hope of recovery. Any resistance against the cartels is always met with brutality.


I honestly just don't understand how people can participate in such violent crimes. How can you torture someone or behead someone alive? Watching them scream as their vocal cords are being gutted and they die painfully? I mean, it's so fucked up. It's already starting to carry over into the Texan/Arizona/Californian/New Mexican borders pretty bad.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miguel_Treviño_Morales

This guy scares the shit out of me.


Extortion. Most likely if you refuse to torture someone or behead them alive etc, someone in your family is going to take its place.
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TheToaster
Profile Joined August 2011
United States280 Posts
January 28 2013 04:34 GMT
#845
I get really annoyed when these democratic college students start discussing things like worker rights when the topic of American border control gets brought up. There's so much more to worry about than just worker opportunities, including the drugs mentioned here.

Mexico is one of the most corrupt countries in the world, both internally with their government as well as outside criminal organizations. Whenever border patrol gets discussed, this should really become the highest concern. Why do you think California and Texas are some of the most drug riddled states in the nation? Where do you think the stuff comes from, Canada?

Sure, you can talk all day about how Mexicans will do jobs that Americans won't work anymore. But in general, Mexico is just another armpit of the world that needs some deodorant. Because the rest of the world has to deal with its stink.
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Nightfall.589
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada766 Posts
January 28 2013 04:53 GMT
#846
On January 28 2013 13:34 TheToaster wrote:
I get really annoyed when these democratic college students start discussing things like worker rights when the topic of American border control gets brought up. There's so much more to worry about than just worker opportunities, including the drugs mentioned here.

Mexico is one of the most corrupt countries in the world, both internally with their government as well as outside criminal organizations. Whenever border patrol gets discussed, this should really become the highest concern. Why do you think California and Texas are some of the most drug riddled states in the nation? Where do you think the stuff comes from, Canada?

Sure, you can talk all day about how Mexicans will do jobs that Americans won't work anymore. But in general, Mexico is just another armpit of the world that needs some deodorant. Because the rest of the world has to deal with its stink.


Because more fences will definitely stop the flow of drugs, right?

Or, perhaps, those problems should be viewed through the same lens that caused them - that of American drug policy.
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cekkmt
Profile Joined November 2010
United States352 Posts
January 28 2013 05:01 GMT
#847
On January 28 2013 12:58 Deadlyhazard wrote:
I've been watching tons of documentaries/reading up on the gangs and cartels of Mexico. The Zetas scare me the most, because they're so well trained and absolutely brutal. Wish there was someway to stop it -- but because the corruption is so imbedded into even Mexican politics, I just don't see hope of recovery. Any resistance against the cartels is always met with brutality.


I honestly just don't understand how people can participate in such violent crimes. How can you torture someone or behead someone alive? Watching them scream as their vocal cords are being gutted and they die painfully? I mean, it's so fucked up. It's already starting to carry over into the Texan/Arizona/Californian/New Mexican borders pretty bad.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miguel_Treviño_Morales

This guy scares the shit out of me.

I have to agree with your last sentiment.
TheToaster
Profile Joined August 2011
United States280 Posts
January 28 2013 05:24 GMT
#848
On January 28 2013 13:53 Nightfall.589 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2013 13:34 TheToaster wrote:
I get really annoyed when these democratic college students start discussing things like worker rights when the topic of American border control gets brought up. There's so much more to worry about than just worker opportunities, including the drugs mentioned here.

Mexico is one of the most corrupt countries in the world, both internally with their government as well as outside criminal organizations. Whenever border patrol gets discussed, this should really become the highest concern. Why do you think California and Texas are some of the most drug riddled states in the nation? Where do you think the stuff comes from, Canada?

Sure, you can talk all day about how Mexicans will do jobs that Americans won't work anymore. But in general, Mexico is just another armpit of the world that needs some deodorant. Because the rest of the world has to deal with its stink.


Because more fences will definitely stop the flow of drugs, right?

Or, perhaps, those problems should be viewed through the same lens that caused them - that of American drug policy.


Look at the pure statistics on drugs per state. The amount of drug problems for states that are near Latin American countries makes the real problem pathetically obvious. If you think fences have anything to do with border patrol, then you've been watching too much South Park or something.

Also, look at the numbers on how much money America spends on the war against drugs. Any of these liberal potheads who argue for pot legalization can tell you its pathetically high. Why bust one guys house that contains less than 10 kilos when you can intercept an entire shipment of 100 kilos or more? The only issue with this kind of border enforcement is our lack of law enforcement cooperation with the Mexican government. Which basically brings us right back to the fact that their government is too corrupt and/or bribed to even give us a taste of what they know.
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Assault_1
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada1950 Posts
January 28 2013 05:34 GMT
#849
On January 28 2013 12:58 Deadlyhazard wrote:
I've been watching tons of documentaries/reading up on the gangs and cartels of Mexico. The Zetas scare me the most, because they're so well trained and absolutely brutal. Wish there was someway to stop it -- but because the corruption is so imbedded into even Mexican politics, I just don't see hope of recovery. Any resistance against the cartels is always met with brutality.


I honestly just don't understand how people can participate in such violent crimes. How can you torture someone or behead someone alive? Watching them scream as their vocal cords are being gutted and they die painfully? I mean, it's so fucked up. It's already starting to carry over into the Texan/Arizona/Californian/New Mexican borders pretty bad.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miguel_Treviño_Morales

This guy scares the shit out of me.

ya that guy is no joke
When getting rid of his victims, Treviño Morales favors a torture method known as the "guiso" (cook-out), where people are stuffed into an oil barrel, doused with gasoline, and then set on fire alive. His violent behavior helped him gain "the notoriety of a cult figure." Reports say that he would escape unharmed from gun battles, avoid making any alliances with anyone, dismember his victims while they were still alive and dump them in dozens, and "seemed unafraid to die." Reports from within the organization claim that Treviño Morales enjoyed driving around the city in a car and pointing at people randomly and saying, "kill this one and kill that one." Under Treviño Morales' leadership, Los Zetas are considered by the DEA to be highly sophisticated, advanced, and the most dangerous criminal organization operating in Mexico and the hemisphere.
VManOfMana
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States764 Posts
January 28 2013 06:09 GMT
#850
On January 28 2013 13:34 TheToaster wrote:
I get really annoyed when these democratic college students start discussing things like worker rights when the topic of American border control gets brought up. There's so much more to worry about than just worker opportunities, including the drugs mentioned here.

Mexico is one of the most corrupt countries in the world, both internally with their government as well as outside criminal organizations. Whenever border patrol gets discussed, this should really become the highest concern. Why do you think California and Texas are some of the most drug riddled states in the nation? Where do you think the stuff comes from, Canada?

Sure, you can talk all day about how Mexicans will do jobs that Americans won't work anymore. But in general, Mexico is just another armpit of the world that needs some deodorant. Because the rest of the world has to deal with its stink.


Those are some pretty bold words considering YOUR COUNTRY is the one providing the demand for the drug market to exist. You have to be pretty naive to think that fences are going to do much as long as the dollars keep calling in.
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p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
January 28 2013 06:28 GMT
#851
On January 28 2013 15:09 VManOfMana wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2013 13:34 TheToaster wrote:
I get really annoyed when these democratic college students start discussing things like worker rights when the topic of American border control gets brought up. There's so much more to worry about than just worker opportunities, including the drugs mentioned here.

Mexico is one of the most corrupt countries in the world, both internally with their government as well as outside criminal organizations. Whenever border patrol gets discussed, this should really become the highest concern. Why do you think California and Texas are some of the most drug riddled states in the nation? Where do you think the stuff comes from, Canada?

Sure, you can talk all day about how Mexicans will do jobs that Americans won't work anymore. But in general, Mexico is just another armpit of the world that needs some deodorant. Because the rest of the world has to deal with its stink.


Those are some pretty bold words considering YOUR COUNTRY is the one providing the demand for the drug market to exist. You have to be pretty naive to think that fences are going to do much as long as the dollars keep calling in.

That's quite funny, after reading the opening paragraph I thought I knew where it was going. Critical of politically active American college students because they don't understand the full breadth of U.S./Mexico relations and the fact that we are part of the problem. I actually stopped reading to move on until I saw your comment.

Then there was some kind of complete 180 and it's all on Mexico. To say he is leaping to rather simplistic conclusions surrounding a very complex issue may be a total understatement. Not to mention conclusions I would seriously object to.
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p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
January 28 2013 06:31 GMT
#852
Literally I'm not sure that post could have been constructed in quite such an idiosyncratic way even if it was done by someone with novelty "gradual_racist" troll account.
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Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
January 28 2013 06:37 GMT
#853
On January 28 2013 13:34 TheToaster wrote:
I get really annoyed when these democratic college students start discussing things like worker rights when the topic of American border control gets brought up. There's so much more to worry about than just worker opportunities, including the drugs mentioned here.

Mexico is one of the most corrupt countries in the world, both internally with their government as well as outside criminal organizations. Whenever border patrol gets discussed, this should really become the highest concern. Why do you think California and Texas are some of the most drug riddled states in the nation? Where do you think the stuff comes from, Canada?

Sure, you can talk all day about how Mexicans will do jobs that Americans won't work anymore. But in general, Mexico is just another armpit of the world that needs some deodorant. Because the rest of the world has to deal with its stink.

a lot of drugs do come from Canada. BC and Quebec weed. But because Canada has a sub optimal climate for growing cocaine and because chemical drugs can be made anywhere the flow of those drugs does not originate in Canada.
TheToaster
Profile Joined August 2011
United States280 Posts
January 28 2013 16:45 GMT
#854
On January 28 2013 15:09 VManOfMana wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2013 13:34 TheToaster wrote:
I get really annoyed when these democratic college students start discussing things like worker rights when the topic of American border control gets brought up. There's so much more to worry about than just worker opportunities, including the drugs mentioned here.

Mexico is one of the most corrupt countries in the world, both internally with their government as well as outside criminal organizations. Whenever border patrol gets discussed, this should really become the highest concern. Why do you think California and Texas are some of the most drug riddled states in the nation? Where do you think the stuff comes from, Canada?

Sure, you can talk all day about how Mexicans will do jobs that Americans won't work anymore. But in general, Mexico is just another armpit of the world that needs some deodorant. Because the rest of the world has to deal with its stink.


Those are some pretty bold words considering YOUR COUNTRY is the one providing the demand for the drug market to exist. You have to be pretty naive to think that fences are going to do much as long as the dollars keep calling in.


What's with you people and fences? Read back to my earlier post, where I already explained to another South Park fanatic that fences have nothing to do with border security. The most effective methods of border security involve cooperation between both countries law enforcement agencies. But Mexican government is so corrupt and bribed, that they won't even offer us a taste of their knowledge of criminal activities.

How can you even attempt to accuse us of financing these drug markets? People will always consume illegal drugs whether they are American, Mexican, or whatever. The only difference is the amount of money drug consumers are willing to pay. Generally speaking, an American drug user will pay much more for drugs since they have to be imported illegally.
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TotalBalanceSC2
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada475 Posts
January 28 2013 17:07 GMT
#855
On January 28 2013 12:58 Deadlyhazard wrote:
I've been watching tons of documentaries/reading up on the gangs and cartels of Mexico. The Zetas scare me the most, because they're so well trained and absolutely brutal. Wish there was someway to stop it -- but because the corruption is so imbedded into even Mexican politics, I just don't see hope of recovery. Any resistance against the cartels is always met with brutality.


I honestly just don't understand how people can participate in such violent crimes. How can you torture someone or behead someone alive? Watching them scream as their vocal cords are being gutted and they die painfully? I mean, it's so fucked up. It's already starting to carry over into the Texan/Arizona/Californian/New Mexican borders pretty bad.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miguel_Treviño_Morales

This guy scares the shit out of me.


It is this kind of fearful attitude that people like him feed off of. He is nothing more than a petty, uncivilized, sad little man who will inevitably be caught, executed and forgotten. If people didn't show such fearful reverence for people like him who are unnecessarily brutal they would not command nearly as much power or pseudo-respect as they do now. A short drop and a sudden stop is all that is befitting of him and all he hopefully gets.
Voltaire
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1485 Posts
January 28 2013 19:57 GMT
#856
I don't know why anyone would think that a fence would stop drugs from flowing in the US... Most of the drugs aren't even imported by people running over the border. Cartel operatons are much more sophisticated than that.
As long as people believe in absurdities they will continue to commit atrocities.
CrimsonLotus
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Colombia1123 Posts
January 28 2013 20:17 GMT
#857
As a Colombian, on one side I think it's scapegoating to blame it all in the US. We have shitty cultures in SOME countries in Latin America and a history of social inequality that has breed strife and violence. Even of the illegal drug trade ended tomorrow that wouldn't change.

That being said, what the US goverment did was basically see a forest fire and bombard it with napalm for several decades. The US didn't start the problem but it made much, much worse.

Hopefully someday in the near future some common sense will prevail and this madness will end. Because the issue here isn't the "holy" right of some dumb ass 15 year old in the US to get high, is the fact that tens of thousands of people have died, entire countries haven been ruined in a "war" against human nature.

It's total and absolute disregard of human life just because those lives aren't from the developed world.
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Deadlyhazard
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1177 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-02 17:53:03
February 02 2013 17:48 GMT
#858
On January 29 2013 02:07 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2013 12:58 Deadlyhazard wrote:
I've been watching tons of documentaries/reading up on the gangs and cartels of Mexico. The Zetas scare me the most, because they're so well trained and absolutely brutal. Wish there was someway to stop it -- but because the corruption is so imbedded into even Mexican politics, I just don't see hope of recovery. Any resistance against the cartels is always met with brutality.


I honestly just don't understand how people can participate in such violent crimes. How can you torture someone or behead someone alive? Watching them scream as their vocal cords are being gutted and they die painfully? I mean, it's so fucked up. It's already starting to carry over into the Texan/Arizona/Californian/New Mexican borders pretty bad.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miguel_Treviño_Morales

This guy scares the shit out of me.


It is this kind of fearful attitude that people like him feed off of. He is nothing more than a petty, uncivilized, sad little man who will inevitably be caught, executed and forgotten. If people didn't show such fearful reverence for people like him who are unnecessarily brutal they would not command nearly as much power or pseudo-respect as they do now. A short drop and a sudden stop is all that is befitting of him and all he hopefully gets.

Tell that to the people in Mexico who have had to deal with Los Zetas. Don't respect them? Your family, including yourself, is going to be mutilated in the most horrifying ways possible -- skinned alive even. I understand that they rule through fear, but it's not like they just say scary things and do nothing. They actually do horrible things to people, multiple people, on a daily basis. There are thousands of murders a year in Mexico due to cartels like Los Zetas. The country is in a goddamned warzone.

These aren't your standard run-of-the-mill drug dealers. They have small military forces at their back (and are extremely well trained -- they're paramilitary defects) and also have huge political connections. Mexico is incredibly corrupt. If you report things to police, often times, police will report back to cartels like Los Zetas and you'll be killed. I don't know how you wouldn't live in fear if you were in these kind of places in Mexico. You should fear for your family's lives when dealing with this kind of corruption.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 16 2013 19:56 GMT
#859
The indigenous town of Cherán used to be like many places in Mexico, caving under the weight of drug-related crime and a police force that did little to stop it.

But about two years ago, citizens here threw out the police, and took over their local government, running the town according to indigenous tradition. So far, they’ve had remarkable success.

Indigenous autonomy movements, like the one in Cherán, are a trend throughout Latin America, scholars say, from movements like the Zapatistas in Chiapas in the 1990s; to communities seeking to self-govern today in places like Chile and Bolivia.

The response from national governments can vary wildly, says Shannon Speed, professor of anthropology at the University of Texas at Austin.

“Cherán has been in part so successful because of the particular context in which it happened, one in which government doesn’t have much control to begin with. So it’s pretty happy to say, ‘Sure, go govern yourself,’” says Ms. Speed, who specializes in indigenous issues, human rights, and the law.


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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18869 Posts
March 16 2013 20:04 GMT
#860
When it comes to the United States, I am a firm believer in the necessity and utility of the Union. Mexico, on the other hand, seems like a very different sort of situation; central and regional government authorities seem utterly incompetent and corrupt to the point of uselessness, and if local populations can get together and come up with some sort of reasonable self-governance, it definitely seems preferable to the former. My aunt is a part of the majority political party in Yucatan, and if what she tells me holds any weight, the political situation in Mexico seems borderline hopeless. Perhaps Cheran is a glimmer of hope.
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