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Anesthetic
Profile Joined April 2012
United States225 Posts
October 16 2012 01:30 GMT
#821
On October 16 2012 10:15 DreamChaser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 16:09 furymonkey wrote:
Just a question, why is Mexican Navy achieve so much? Isn't their focus on the maritime?


I don't claim to know anything about Mexican armed forces but i guess it works out like how the US armed forces are.

Marines are for combating in sort of "Man to Man" and usually they are better trained at these tasks



Yep, this is pretty true, My father was in the Mexican navy and he talked a lot about how they were trained for armed combat in a lot of environments, he also used to tell me stories about all the drugs they used to burn back in the day when they found them so this is not something that's uncommon to the Mexican Navy.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 17 2012 05:14 GMT
#822
A leftist Mexican lawmaker on Thursday presented a bill to legalize the production, sale and use of marijuana, adding to a growing chorus of Latin American politicians who are rejecting the prohibitionist policies of the United States.

The bill is unlikely to win much support in Congress since a strong majority of Mexicans are firmly against legalizing drugs, but may spur a broader debate in Mexico after two U.S. states voted to allow recreational use of marijuana last week. U.S. officials have said it remains illegal and that they are reviewing the state actions.

The split between local and federal governments in the United States is feeding a growing challenge in Latin America to the four-decade-old policies that Washington promoted, and often bankrolled, to disrupt illegal drug cultivation and smuggling.


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Serek
Profile Joined May 2011
United Kingdom459 Posts
November 26 2012 22:35 GMT
#823
On November 17 2012 14:14 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
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A leftist Mexican lawmaker on Thursday presented a bill to legalize the production, sale and use of marijuana, adding to a growing chorus of Latin American politicians who are rejecting the prohibitionist policies of the United States.

The bill is unlikely to win much support in Congress since a strong majority of Mexicans are firmly against legalizing drugs, but may spur a broader debate in Mexico after two U.S. states voted to allow recreational use of marijuana last week. U.S. officials have said it remains illegal and that they are reviewing the state actions.

The split between local and federal governments in the United States is feeding a growing challenge in Latin America to the four-decade-old policies that Washington promoted, and often bankrolled, to disrupt illegal drug cultivation and smuggling.


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Nothing exciting about this, we get one of these introduced every few years. The closest one of those bills made it to becoming law was in 2004 when President Fox did not sign it due to pressure from the US.

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p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
November 27 2012 03:02 GMT
#824
The woman mayor who was kidnapped and murdered by a Mexican drug gang pleaded with her attackers for her young daughter’s life, it emerged today.

Maria Santos Gorrostieta, who had already survived two assassination attempts, was driving the child to school at around 8.30am when she was ambushed by a car in the city of Morelia.

The 36-year-old was hauled from her vehicle and physically assaulted as horrified witnesses watched, according to newspaper El Universal. They described how she begged for her child to be left alone and then appeared to get into her abductors’ car willingly.

Source

God fucking dammit.
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TheRealArtemis
Profile Joined October 2011
687 Posts
November 27 2012 03:17 GMT
#825
Man...That story is terrible... I feel pretty bad for her.

Doubt I could have been as brave as her, trying to fight the cartels.
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GnarlyArbitrage
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
575 Posts
November 27 2012 03:23 GMT
#826
On November 27 2012 12:02 p4NDemik wrote:
Show nested quote +
The woman mayor who was kidnapped and murdered by a Mexican drug gang pleaded with her attackers for her young daughter’s life, it emerged today.

Maria Santos Gorrostieta, who had already survived two assassination attempts, was driving the child to school at around 8.30am when she was ambushed by a car in the city of Morelia.

The 36-year-old was hauled from her vehicle and physically assaulted as horrified witnesses watched, according to newspaper El Universal. They described how she begged for her child to be left alone and then appeared to get into her abductors’ car willingly.

Source

God fucking dammit.


So pretty, too.

The decision to withdraw her security team in November last year – and her police escort in January – has come under particular scrutiny.


Why the fuck did they do that?
Franthier
Profile Joined November 2012
China64 Posts
November 27 2012 03:24 GMT
#827
On November 27 2012 12:02 p4NDemik wrote:
Show nested quote +
The woman mayor who was kidnapped and murdered by a Mexican drug gang pleaded with her attackers for her young daughter’s life, it emerged today.

Maria Santos Gorrostieta, who had already survived two assassination attempts, was driving the child to school at around 8.30am when she was ambushed by a car in the city of Morelia.

The 36-year-old was hauled from her vehicle and physically assaulted as horrified witnesses watched, according to newspaper El Universal. They described how she begged for her child to be left alone and then appeared to get into her abductors’ car willingly.

Source

God fucking dammit.


She is a truly brave woman but I think she really got a "better" death compared to a lot of others who were kidnapped and killed. If you know what I am talking about...

The drug war can only be won with a all out war on cartels, like literally kill them all. There will be a lot of casualties both guilty and innocent. But it is better in the long run if you think about it. I think the Mexican government is still too corrupt to handle the cartels.
AnachronisticAnarchy
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States2957 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-27 03:33:30
November 27 2012 03:29 GMT
#828
On November 27 2012 12:02 p4NDemik wrote:
Show nested quote +
The woman mayor who was kidnapped and murdered by a Mexican drug gang pleaded with her attackers for her young daughter’s life, it emerged today.

Maria Santos Gorrostieta, who had already survived two assassination attempts, was driving the child to school at around 8.30am when she was ambushed by a car in the city of Morelia.

The 36-year-old was hauled from her vehicle and physically assaulted as horrified witnesses watched, according to newspaper El Universal. They described how she begged for her child to be left alone and then appeared to get into her abductors’ car willingly.

Source

God fucking dammit.


I hate how some of the very best of us die in the worst ways. She's a goddamn hero.

On November 27 2012 12:24 Franthier wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2012 12:02 p4NDemik wrote:
The woman mayor who was kidnapped and murdered by a Mexican drug gang pleaded with her attackers for her young daughter’s life, it emerged today.

Maria Santos Gorrostieta, who had already survived two assassination attempts, was driving the child to school at around 8.30am when she was ambushed by a car in the city of Morelia.

The 36-year-old was hauled from her vehicle and physically assaulted as horrified witnesses watched, according to newspaper El Universal. They described how she begged for her child to be left alone and then appeared to get into her abductors’ car willingly.

Source

God fucking dammit.


She is a truly brave woman but I think she really got a "better" death compared to a lot of others who were kidnapped and killed. If you know what I am talking about...

The drug war can only be won with a all out war on cartels, like literally kill them all. There will be a lot of casualties both guilty and innocent. But it is better in the long run if you think about it. I think the Mexican government is still too corrupt to handle the cartels.


She was tortured and killed, probably raped too. Not sure how it could get worse, unless you're talking about some of the "group sessions" that the baddest of the bad set up.
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Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7291 Posts
November 27 2012 03:36 GMT
#829
On November 27 2012 12:24 Franthier wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2012 12:02 p4NDemik wrote:
The woman mayor who was kidnapped and murdered by a Mexican drug gang pleaded with her attackers for her young daughter’s life, it emerged today.

Maria Santos Gorrostieta, who had already survived two assassination attempts, was driving the child to school at around 8.30am when she was ambushed by a car in the city of Morelia.

The 36-year-old was hauled from her vehicle and physically assaulted as horrified witnesses watched, according to newspaper El Universal. They described how she begged for her child to be left alone and then appeared to get into her abductors’ car willingly.

Source

God fucking dammit.


She is a truly brave woman but I think she really got a "better" death compared to a lot of others who were kidnapped and killed. If you know what I am talking about...

The drug war can only be won with a all out war on cartels, like literally kill them all. There will be a lot of casualties both guilty and innocent. But it is better in the long run if you think about it. I think the Mexican government is still too corrupt to handle the cartels.



even if you kill them someone else just replaces them because the business is so lucrative. You really wont' stop this until drugs are legalized.
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Kevin_Sorbo
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada3217 Posts
November 27 2012 03:46 GMT
#830
On November 27 2012 12:24 Franthier wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2012 12:02 p4NDemik wrote:
The woman mayor who was kidnapped and murdered by a Mexican drug gang pleaded with her attackers for her young daughter’s life, it emerged today.

Maria Santos Gorrostieta, who had already survived two assassination attempts, was driving the child to school at around 8.30am when she was ambushed by a car in the city of Morelia.

The 36-year-old was hauled from her vehicle and physically assaulted as horrified witnesses watched, according to newspaper El Universal. They described how she begged for her child to be left alone and then appeared to get into her abductors’ car willingly.

Source

God fucking dammit.


She is a truly brave woman but I think she really got a "better" death compared to a lot of others who were kidnapped and killed. If you know what I am talking about...

The drug war can only be won with a all out war on cartels, like literally kill them all. There will be a lot of casualties both guilty and innocent. But it is better in the long run if you think about it. I think the Mexican government is still too corrupt to handle the cartels.


geez we need more John Waynes to pull the trigger.
doesnt work like that. all those dudes you kill will be replaced by other poor fuckers because the demand for the supply is still intact in the US. also because mexicans ppl dont have high income so drug money is sweeter then no money.

The mind is like a parachute, it doesnt work unless its open. - Zappa
Qwyn
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2779 Posts
November 27 2012 03:54 GMT
#831
You "stop" the drug war by making drugs accessible enough that people do not have to go through cartels to deal them...You remove the middleman.

And even if you were to do this, illegal drug trafficking will still exist because there will be a lot of stupid ass regulations.
"Think of the hysteria following the realization that they consciously consume babies and raise the dead people from their graves" - N0
Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
November 27 2012 04:06 GMT
#832
I don't see that happening, Mexico receives too much pressure from the US to not legalize marijuana, but the lucrative trade nowadays is cocaine, heroin and meth as marijuana is more relaxed nowadays.
"If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 30 2012 04:33 GMT
#833
Would it have an affect of course it would, tourism would explode in Mexico youth crime would drop, those associated with marijuana of course.

But the fact remains is that the United States dictates prices of illegal drugs thus until the US legalizes nothing much will occur.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 06 2013 04:13 GMT
#834
MEXICO CITY — Forgive the Mexicans for trying to get this straight:

So now the United States, which has spent decades battling Mexican marijuana, is on a legalization bender?

The same United States that long viewed cannabis as a menace, funding crop-poisoning programs, tearing up auto bodies at the border, and deploying sniffer dogs, fiber-optic scopes and backscatter X-ray machines to detect the lowly weed?

The success of legalization initiatives in Colorado and Washington in November has sparked a new conversation in a nation that is one of the world's top marijuana growers: Should Mexico, which has suffered mightily in its war against the deadly drug cartels, follow the Western states' lead?

Mexico's new president, Enrique Peña Nieto, opposes legalization, but he also told CNN recently that the news from Washington and Colorado "could bring us to rethinking the strategy."

Such rethinking has already begun. Shortly after the approval of the U.S. ballot measures, the governor of Colima state, Mario Anguiano, floated the idea of a legalization referendum for his small coastal state. In the Mexican Congress, Fernando Belaunzaran, a lawmaker with the left-wing Democratic Revolution Party, has introduced a national legalization bill. The cartels probably derive 20% to 25% of their drug export revenue from marijuana, and Belaunzaran contends that legalization will eat into profit that allows the cartels to buy the advanced weapons that are the cause of much bloodshed.


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Myles
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5162 Posts
January 06 2013 04:18 GMT
#835
Could it be? Is sense actually starting to make it's way through these politicians' brains? Halleluiah and please stays out American politicians/lobbyists.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-10 18:56:45
January 10 2013 18:56 GMT
#836
Mexico has enacted a law that will ensure that the victims and relatives of crime are compensated with payments and social services from the state.

The law, enacted by President Enrique Pena Nieto on Wednesday, comprises the creation of a fund to pay relatives up to $70,000 in compensation for an innocent victim killed in attacks by drug gangs.

“With this law, the Mexican state hopes to give hope and to comfort the victims and their families,” Pena Nieto said about the law which will come into effect in 30 days.

“There are thousands of people who have suffered the ravages of violence.

"A democratic state must listen to all voices, must be sensitive and humane."

The ratification of the law was one of the main demands of civil groups urging the government to do more to help the victims of drug-related violence.

The bill was approved by congress last April, but former President Felipe Calderon filed an appeal with the supreme court to stop it.


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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18839 Posts
January 10 2013 19:02 GMT
#837
Calderon is such a piece of shit I can barely even imagine how he ever won an election........
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HunterX11
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1048 Posts
January 10 2013 20:23 GMT
#838
On January 11 2013 04:02 farvacola wrote:
Calderon is such a piece of shit I can barely even imagine how he ever won an election........


He probably didn't really win the first one (kind of like Bush).
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 12 2013 22:27 GMT
#839
Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto said Monday his administration will shift the nation's anti-crime strategy in a break from the U.S.-backed campaign against drug cartels carried out under his predecessor, Felipe Calderón.

According to multiple media reports, Peña Nieto laid out a plan before Mexico's National Council on Public Security that he would focus more on reducing crimes against ordinary citizens – such as murder, kidnapping, and extortion -- than pursuing the leaders of violent drug cartels. Peña Nieto and members of his cabinet were also critical of the previous administration's policies, which resulted in a drawn out war against cartels that has left tens of thousands dead.

The centerpiece of Peña Nieto's plans is the creation of a 10,000-person national gendarmerie – or paramilitary police force -- designed to patrol far-flung areas where local law enforcement and military forces have failed to eradicate widespread crime. Similar forces are used in European countries like Spain and Italy.

"I am convinced that we're opening a new path, a new route and a new way to address the security of the Mexican people," he said to the gathering of cabinet ministers, state governors and security officials, according to The Associated Press.

While Peña Nieto offered more specifics on the shift than he has since taking office, he did not indicate a timeline for when the force would be established or where or how officers would be recruited. He also reportedly did not say whether he would remove the country's military from the nation's drug war.


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DamnCats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1472 Posts
January 12 2013 22:30 GMT
#840
^ Thus begs the question, why is the thread titled "Mexico's drug war" and not something a little more accurate?
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