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On March 02 2010 23:27 FrozenArbiter wrote:
So, sorry for the slightly off-topic post but, if I have a decent amount of money tied up in euros, is there any point in trying to exchange them into something else... or would that be overreacting?
I hate currencies fluctuating :[ Especially since I know nothing about this stuff.
FA, long-term you don't really have to worry. There's checks and balances in place where, no matter how low the euro will go down in value, it will eventually go back up because the EU is a very strong economic entity.
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On March 04 2010 04:37 Rothbardian wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2010 04:10 Silvanel wrote:
There is nothing hilarious here. Well maybe with exception of Your comparison of EU to Third Reich. The goal is the same. One central European authority. It just goes to show if you want to take over countries don't go to war, just do it politically. Haha.
And who exactly is taking over those countries?
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On March 02 2010 23:18 Rothbardian wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2010 22:38 myzael wrote:On March 02 2010 08:25 Intr3pid wrote:There is no evidence that the UK and Sweden do fare any better No, but they have the monetary policy instruments at their disposal to react in a timely fashion, whereas the Euro-countries pretty much have their hands tied as of now. when you say eastern european does that include countries like Poland and Czechia? Honestly, I wouldn't put them in the same category like France and Germany, UK Benelux etc. They are growing and fastly developping economies, which is good, but they got in too fast. I think it would have been better to really just accept already formed and well developped economies, but yeah now it's too late anyway. Btw Poland is a big receiver in the EU as I can remember, they are well of BECAUSE they are in the EU, they are not in the EU because they were doing well. Poland is not such a big reciever afaik. Yes, we get a little bit more than we give, but not so much. The aforementioned development is not as great as it could have been, had we gotten better and less corrupt management/politicians. Yet, the development would be possible without EU help. I do not want to judge, would it be faster or slower than it is. This is utopian. Every country is riddled with corrupt politicians. The system is corrupting. Identify the cause, not the symptom.
I've never claimed it isn't. It may be a national matter as I find Polish politicians the most corrupt of all 
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On March 04 2010 04:37 Rothbardian wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2010 04:10 Silvanel wrote:
There is nothing hilarious here. Well maybe with exception of Your comparison of EU to Third Reich. The goal is the same. One central European authority. It just goes to show if you want to take over countries don't go to war, just do it politically. Haha.
The goal is also the same if I put on earplugs or shoot everyone in a mile radius because they're making too much noise. I want some quiet.
Somehow I don't think the two are comparable.
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Sanya12364 Posts
How did Nazis come up? WTF
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Since it was brought up, here is a table of the net contributions and receivings of the member states to/from the EU budget up to 2007. Greece and Poland were given the most in that year, while Italy actually contributed witha fair sum. The new members from eastern/central Europe don't befefit that much yet because of transitional provisions.
http://www.eu-oplysningen.dk/euo_en/spsv/all/79/
Of course, this can't be used to judge the value of the membership for single countries since the numbers are still kind of small (compared to national budgets), and there is so much more to it. (Like someone mentioned, expansion of the internal market is more valuable for some countries.)
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Sweden33719 Posts
On March 04 2010 04:48 broz0rs wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2010 23:27 FrozenArbiter wrote:
So, sorry for the slightly off-topic post but, if I have a decent amount of money tied up in euros, is there any point in trying to exchange them into something else... or would that be overreacting?
I hate currencies fluctuating :[ Especially since I know nothing about this stuff. FA, long-term you don't really have to worry. There's checks and balances in place where, no matter how low the euro will go down in value, it will eventually go back up because the EU is a very strong economic entity.
A do nothing policy. I'm a huge fan of those Thx.
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On March 01 2010 16:07 mahnini wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2010 16:04 Rothbardian wrote:On March 01 2010 16:02 TanGeng wrote:
wow, full blown bartering is like tax evasion. Are you sure the IRS isn't going to come after you? How are they going to know? There was a bristling counter-economy in the USSR and it survived one of the largest most oppressive States in the history of man-kind. Besides, I'm not scared of the IRS, and I will not voluntarily relinquish my natural rights to some arbitrary authority that is threatening me with violence and imprisonment. If they do come after me, I'm not going down alone, thats for sure, and I'm sure Patrick Henry, Richard Henry Lee, and John Locke, would be smiling don't pay taxes. use public services. FIGHT DA POWER
Well the largest tax, the income tax, doesn't pay for public goods and services, therefore....not really.
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On March 04 2010 04:53 Silvanel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2010 04:37 Rothbardian wrote:On March 04 2010 04:10 Silvanel wrote:
There is nothing hilarious here. Well maybe with exception of Your comparison of EU to Third Reich. The goal is the same. One central European authority. It just goes to show if you want to take over countries don't go to war, just do it politically. Haha. And who exactly is taking over those countries?
Belgium?
I was kinda expecting this to happend with a mix of wery weak currencies with stronger ones things should be rocky. I'm suprised that it took so long before the trouble started to show.
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The goal of the EU is to unite the whole European continent. To make sure we act as one.
While this sounds utopian for the moment, I do think that someday this will be a reality.
A whole lot of countries unified so that we would be up par with the rest of the great powers.
I think the idea behind the EU is a very nice thought.
Alas, reality is something else.
And to the above poster
Yes, Belgium. It has already started.
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I knew you were up to something.
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On March 04 2010 07:31 Eatme wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2010 04:53 Silvanel wrote:On March 04 2010 04:37 Rothbardian wrote:On March 04 2010 04:10 Silvanel wrote:
There is nothing hilarious here. Well maybe with exception of Your comparison of EU to Third Reich. The goal is the same. One central European authority. It just goes to show if you want to take over countries don't go to war, just do it politically. Haha. And who exactly is taking over those countries? Belgium? I was kinda expecting this to happend with a mix of wery weak currencies with stronger ones things should be rocky. I'm suprised that it took so long before the trouble started to show.
Its confusing guys, unless i misspeled something You lost it somwhere.
I was asking who is taking over EU countries....Your answer is Belgium, meh is strange but i am listening. How is Belgium taking over, lets say Poland for an example.
(Or You meant that Belgium is taken over by someone, then my question is by whom)
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he is joking.Belgium because the EU parliament is there duh? 
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No country is taking it over. It is being taken over by the elites in every country. It would be as if North and Central America were to merge, and those taking over control of this new "entity" would be the elites in the US, Canada, Mexico, etc.
Look at who is at the top of the EU. Look at how they twisted Irelands arm. They were going to vote over and over and over and over until they finally got a yes vote. It only took them twice. Similarly, with Vaclav Klaus of Czech who gave in. These men yield tremendous power. In today's world, most people don't have the courage and conviction to go against them. Besides, the remnant of Classical Liberals in Europe is extremely small. Who's left? UKIP? Daniel Hannan?
I think there is a radical liberal party in France also, but is like 2% like the Libertarian Party here lmao. Oh well. You guys will get what you want. Just seems awful weird that those who were liberated from the USSR merely 20 years ago will give up their independance to another central totalitarian authority.
We need another Enlightenment and another re-emergence of radical classical liberalism. We've gone far too long, and far too strong into Statism.
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On March 04 2010 07:08 Breavman wrote:Since it was brought up, here is a table of the net contributions and receivings of the member states to/from the EU budget up to 2007. Greece and Poland were given the most in that year, while Italy actually contributed witha fair sum. The new members from eastern/central Europe don't befefit that much yet because of transitional provisions. http://www.eu-oplysningen.dk/euo_en/spsv/all/79/Of course, this can't be used to judge the value of the membership for single countries since the numbers are still kind of small (compared to national budgets), and there is so much more to it. (Like someone mentioned, expansion of the internal market is more valuable for some countries.)
great so we pay 2-3 times more over the last years than even France and UK  how is that fair
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On March 04 2010 08:56 Rothbardian wrote:
I think there is a radical liberal party in France also, but is like 2% like the Libertarian Party here lmao.
Alternative libérale is like < 0.5%
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On March 04 2010 09:46 Boblion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2010 08:56 Rothbardian wrote:
I think there is a radical liberal party in France also, but is like 2% like the Libertarian Party here lmao.
Alternative libérale is like < 0.5%
Hmmmm. The party leader is only 28. It's also only 3-4 years old lol.
I could see Libertarianism and Classical Liberalism take off big time if Ron ends up winning in 2012...., even though I'm apolitical, it would be a wonder to behold if he won just to see the faces of all the elites. I don't expect he'd live more than a few months though
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On March 04 2010 07:12 FrozenArbiter wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2010 04:48 broz0rs wrote:On March 02 2010 23:27 FrozenArbiter wrote:
So, sorry for the slightly off-topic post but, if I have a decent amount of money tied up in euros, is there any point in trying to exchange them into something else... or would that be overreacting?
I hate currencies fluctuating :[ Especially since I know nothing about this stuff. FA, long-term you don't really have to worry. There's checks and balances in place where, no matter how low the euro will go down in value, it will eventually go back up because the EU is a very strong economic entity. A do nothing policy. I'm a huge fan of those Thx.
Then brace yourself for a big hit because Spain is going down soon and there isnt enough liquidity in the EU to bail it out (like they can do to Greece), so they either let Spain go ant that would hit the Euro hard, or they print money and bail it out creating a huge infaltion that will also hit even harder the Euro.
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United States43468 Posts
On March 04 2010 09:41 aqui wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2010 07:08 Breavman wrote:Since it was brought up, here is a table of the net contributions and receivings of the member states to/from the EU budget up to 2007. Greece and Poland were given the most in that year, while Italy actually contributed witha fair sum. The new members from eastern/central Europe don't befefit that much yet because of transitional provisions. http://www.eu-oplysningen.dk/euo_en/spsv/all/79/Of course, this can't be used to judge the value of the membership for single countries since the numbers are still kind of small (compared to national budgets), and there is so much more to it. (Like someone mentioned, expansion of the internal market is more valuable for some countries.) great so we pay 2-3 times more over the last years than even France and UK how is that fair
Because the entire point of the exercise is to stop you fuckers invading France every generation. If you'd just leave them alone then we wouldn't need to secretly try and make you and France the same country to confuse you.
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