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On March 04 2010 09:54 Rothbardian wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2010 09:46 Boblion wrote:On March 04 2010 08:56 Rothbardian wrote:
I think there is a radical liberal party in France also, but is like 2% like the Libertarian Party here lmao.
Alternative libérale is like < 0.5% Hmmmm. The party leader is only 28. It's also only 3-4 years old lol. I could see Libertarianism and Classical Liberalism take off big time if Ron ends up winning in 2012...., even though I'm apolitical, it would be a wonder to behold if he won just to see the faces of all the elites. I don't expect he'd live more than a few months though 
Ron Paul will never ever win, he would have to beat the flawed 2 party system, then beat the media which i think its pretty much impossible and if he won as u said he would get killed instantly.
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On March 04 2010 07:37 DwmC_Foefen wrote:
The goal of the EU is to unite the whole European continent. To make sure we act as one.
While this sounds utopian for the moment, I do think that someday this will be a reality.
A whole lot of countries unified so that we would be up par with the rest of the great powers.
I think the idea behind the EU is a very nice thought.
Alas, reality is something else.
And to the above poster
Yes, Belgium. It has already started.
<.<
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Since when does a united global government is utopic, on the contrary its a distopia where pretty much all the horrific future movies are based on.
"Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely"
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On March 04 2010 12:43 baal wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2010 07:37 DwmC_Foefen wrote:
The goal of the EU is to unite the whole European continent. To make sure we act as one.
While this sounds utopian for the moment, I do think that someday this will be a reality.
A whole lot of countries unified so that we would be up par with the rest of the great powers.
I think the idea behind the EU is a very nice thought.
Alas, reality is something else.
And to the above poster
Yes, Belgium. It has already started.
<.<
>.> Since when does a united global government is utopic, on the contrary its a distopia where pretty much all the horrific future movies are based on. "Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely"
Like I said, it's the ideals behind the EU that I was talking about which unfortunately differ with reality.
People suck and are immoral, politicians even more.
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On March 04 2010 12:38 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2010 09:41 aqui wrote:On March 04 2010 07:08 Breavman wrote:Since it was brought up, here is a table of the net contributions and receivings of the member states to/from the EU budget up to 2007. Greece and Poland were given the most in that year, while Italy actually contributed witha fair sum. The new members from eastern/central Europe don't befefit that much yet because of transitional provisions. http://www.eu-oplysningen.dk/euo_en/spsv/all/79/Of course, this can't be used to judge the value of the membership for single countries since the numbers are still kind of small (compared to national budgets), and there is so much more to it. (Like someone mentioned, expansion of the internal market is more valuable for some countries.) great so we pay 2-3 times more over the last years than even France and UK how is that fair Because the entire point of the exercise is to stop you fuckers invading France every generation. If you'd just leave them alone then we wouldn't need to secretly try and make you and France the same country to confuse you.
If you've ever visited the Deutschhistory Museum in Berlin, you'd know that Germany is about as likely as the Vatican to attempt to invade and conquer another country.
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On March 04 2010 12:38 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2010 09:41 aqui wrote:On March 04 2010 07:08 Breavman wrote:Since it was brought up, here is a table of the net contributions and receivings of the member states to/from the EU budget up to 2007. Greece and Poland were given the most in that year, while Italy actually contributed witha fair sum. The new members from eastern/central Europe don't befefit that much yet because of transitional provisions. http://www.eu-oplysningen.dk/euo_en/spsv/all/79/Of course, this can't be used to judge the value of the membership for single countries since the numbers are still kind of small (compared to national budgets), and there is so much more to it. (Like someone mentioned, expansion of the internal market is more valuable for some countries.) great so we pay 2-3 times more over the last years than even France and UK how is that fair Because the entire point of the exercise is to stop you fuckers invading France every generation. If you'd just leave them alone then we wouldn't need to secretly try and make you and France the same country to confuse you.
Hey, only 3 times. They started long before btw 
And if you count the number of years england was at war with france ... 
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On March 04 2010 08:56 Rothbardian wrote:
No country is taking it over. It is being taken over by the elites in every country. It would be as if North and Central America were to merge, and those taking over control of this new "entity" would be the elites in the US, Canada, Mexico, etc.
Look at who is at the top of the EU. Look at how they twisted Irelands arm. They were going to vote over and over and over and over until they finally got a yes vote. It only took them twice. Similarly, with Vaclav Klaus of Czech who gave in. These men yield tremendous power. In today's world, most people don't have the courage and conviction to go against them. Besides, the remnant of Classical Liberals in Europe is extremely small. Who's left? UKIP? Daniel Hannan?
I think there is a radical liberal party in France also, but is like 2% like the Libertarian Party here lmao. Oh well. You guys will get what you want. Just seems awful weird that those who were liberated from the USSR merely 20 years ago will give up their independance to another central totalitarian authority.
We need another Enlightenment and another re-emergence of radical classical liberalism. We've gone far too long, and far too strong into Statism.
Sorry sir but You are severly mistaken. Comparing highly opressive government that killed milions of its own citizens (USRR) to bureaucratic entity that has very limit power and whose main crime is ineffectivnes (EU) is just plainly stupid.
And i fail to see how replacing our own (Polish) elites with (German, Polish,GB,France etc... elites) is such big a deal. Regular peaople have nothing to say regardless if they are ruled from Warsaw, of from Brussels.
I do not share te belief that the greater power You wield the more evil you are. Power corrupts thats true, and thats the end. There is no connection between the growth of power and growth corruption. Local politicins are just as bad those who run nations.
On the topic. I realy hope Greece will make it trough, but regerdless of that Euro will be fine.
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On March 05 2010 03:59 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2010 12:38 KwarK wrote:On March 04 2010 09:41 aqui wrote:On March 04 2010 07:08 Breavman wrote:Since it was brought up, here is a table of the net contributions and receivings of the member states to/from the EU budget up to 2007. Greece and Poland were given the most in that year, while Italy actually contributed witha fair sum. The new members from eastern/central Europe don't befefit that much yet because of transitional provisions. http://www.eu-oplysningen.dk/euo_en/spsv/all/79/Of course, this can't be used to judge the value of the membership for single countries since the numbers are still kind of small (compared to national budgets), and there is so much more to it. (Like someone mentioned, expansion of the internal market is more valuable for some countries.) great so we pay 2-3 times more over the last years than even France and UK how is that fair Because the entire point of the exercise is to stop you fuckers invading France every generation. If you'd just leave them alone then we wouldn't need to secretly try and make you and France the same country to confuse you. If you've ever visited the Deutschhistory Museum in Berlin, you'd know that Germany is about as likely as the Vatican to attempt to invade and conquer another country.
Since the end of that whole WW2 thing anyway...
On March 05 2010 04:40 Maenander wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2010 12:38 KwarK wrote:On March 04 2010 09:41 aqui wrote:On March 04 2010 07:08 Breavman wrote:Since it was brought up, here is a table of the net contributions and receivings of the member states to/from the EU budget up to 2007. Greece and Poland were given the most in that year, while Italy actually contributed witha fair sum. The new members from eastern/central Europe don't befefit that much yet because of transitional provisions. http://www.eu-oplysningen.dk/euo_en/spsv/all/79/Of course, this can't be used to judge the value of the membership for single countries since the numbers are still kind of small (compared to national budgets), and there is so much more to it. (Like someone mentioned, expansion of the internal market is more valuable for some countries.) great so we pay 2-3 times more over the last years than even France and UK how is that fair Because the entire point of the exercise is to stop you fuckers invading France every generation. If you'd just leave them alone then we wouldn't need to secretly try and make you and France the same country to confuse you. Hey, only 3 times. They started long before btw And if you count the number of years england was at war with france ...
Yeah but that was a constant war fought over a very long period of time all over the globe and we eventually became friends (mostly because of Russia and Germany), Germany had a habit of full on invading France itself every so often for the hell of it.
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i happen to be a teacher and my salary is 900, euros how's that for a living when you pay for your god damn coffee 4 euros?
Wow, that's tough. A teacher in Portugal earns somewhere between 1200-2200€ (depending on how long they have been teaching. And a coffee costs 0.50€...
EDIT: one thing that annoys me is when people that don't know nothing put Portugal in the same bandwagon of Greece, Spain, Ireland, etc. If you take a look at the numbers, facts, Portugal's deficit is about the same as the French or UK's.
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On March 05 2010 05:15 jello_biafra wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2010 03:59 xDaunt wrote:On March 04 2010 12:38 KwarK wrote:On March 04 2010 09:41 aqui wrote:On March 04 2010 07:08 Breavman wrote:Since it was brought up, here is a table of the net contributions and receivings of the member states to/from the EU budget up to 2007. Greece and Poland were given the most in that year, while Italy actually contributed witha fair sum. The new members from eastern/central Europe don't befefit that much yet because of transitional provisions. http://www.eu-oplysningen.dk/euo_en/spsv/all/79/Of course, this can't be used to judge the value of the membership for single countries since the numbers are still kind of small (compared to national budgets), and there is so much more to it. (Like someone mentioned, expansion of the internal market is more valuable for some countries.) great so we pay 2-3 times more over the last years than even France and UK how is that fair Because the entire point of the exercise is to stop you fuckers invading France every generation. If you'd just leave them alone then we wouldn't need to secretly try and make you and France the same country to confuse you. If you've ever visited the Deutschhistory Museum in Berlin, you'd know that Germany is about as likely as the Vatican to attempt to invade and conquer another country. Since the end of that whole WW2 thing anyway... Show nested quote +On March 05 2010 04:40 Maenander wrote:On March 04 2010 12:38 KwarK wrote:On March 04 2010 09:41 aqui wrote:On March 04 2010 07:08 Breavman wrote:Since it was brought up, here is a table of the net contributions and receivings of the member states to/from the EU budget up to 2007. Greece and Poland were given the most in that year, while Italy actually contributed witha fair sum. The new members from eastern/central Europe don't befefit that much yet because of transitional provisions. http://www.eu-oplysningen.dk/euo_en/spsv/all/79/Of course, this can't be used to judge the value of the membership for single countries since the numbers are still kind of small (compared to national budgets), and there is so much more to it. (Like someone mentioned, expansion of the internal market is more valuable for some countries.) great so we pay 2-3 times more over the last years than even France and UK how is that fair Because the entire point of the exercise is to stop you fuckers invading France every generation. If you'd just leave them alone then we wouldn't need to secretly try and make you and France the same country to confuse you. Hey, only 3 times. They started long before btw And if you count the number of years england was at war with france ... Yeah but that was a constant war fought over a very long period of time all over the globe and we eventually became friends (mostly because of Russia and Germany ), Germany had a habit of full on invading France itself every so often for the hell of it.
Actually the only war that the German really started is the WW2 ( though it was France who unallied first after the invasion of Poland )
The 1870 war was started by Napoleon III and WW1 was started because of the retarded alliance system.
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On March 04 2010 12:38 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2010 09:41 aqui wrote:On March 04 2010 07:08 Breavman wrote:Since it was brought up, here is a table of the net contributions and receivings of the member states to/from the EU budget up to 2007. Greece and Poland were given the most in that year, while Italy actually contributed witha fair sum. The new members from eastern/central Europe don't befefit that much yet because of transitional provisions. http://www.eu-oplysningen.dk/euo_en/spsv/all/79/Of course, this can't be used to judge the value of the membership for single countries since the numbers are still kind of small (compared to national budgets), and there is so much more to it. (Like someone mentioned, expansion of the internal market is more valuable for some countries.) great so we pay 2-3 times more over the last years than even France and UK how is that fair Because the entire point of the exercise is to stop you fuckers invading France every generation. If you'd just leave them alone then we wouldn't need to secretly try and make you and France the same country to confuse you.
!!!! haha!!!!
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On March 01 2010 15:57 Rothbardian wrote:
I suspect when I move to NH though
Is there actually a decent libertarian presence in NH now? Also, do you read Unqualified Reservations?
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On March 05 2010 06:42 WeSt wrote:
EDIT: one thing that annoys me is when people that don't know nothing put Portugal in the same bandwagon of Greece, Spain, Ireland, etc. If you take a look at the numbers, facts, Portugal's deficit is about the same as the French or UK's.
Because Portugals fate is tied with Spains.
You can read various opinions from some of the most impotant newspapers on "the Greece crisis":
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,681733,00.html
I think there are so many flaws deeply anchored in the Greek society/politics (yes, you can find such "flaws" in any society - it just dpends on your point of view, but some of tem cant be ignore):
between 40,000 and 60,000 DEAD retired persons still got their pension - because you get it as long as you arent unsubscribed by their relatives...
10% out of 25 million buildings and houses are totally illegal - and even 80% partly illegal in Greece. They become legal with the help of Fakelki... a letter with some euros in it (up to 4500 € for an opertion which actually would be for free...)
For example to get your driver´s licence you have to pay around 100 euro or even more Fakelaki
then there is HUGE tax evasion: the bolder the better...
then there are the political parties which rewarded their members with good posts in the civil service in past... 25% of the employees are either civil servants or paid by the autorities...
then there is a ridiculous social welfare system: you work until you are 60 and then receive your pension and they even get a 13th and 14th monthly salary...
then there is the never ending conflict with Turkey - and Cyprus being in the EU doesnt help anyone. But Greece basically refused to let any other country in the EU (every member needs to accept every newcomer) as long as Cyprus wouldnt be part of it.....
And many more...
I hope it will be fixed one day - cant take loner then the new wc3 patch xD
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Nearly whole europe including GB had a habbit of Invading other countries and especially France :p. But as it seems... The lesson was learned for now. Europe for sure took it's time to learn it but all that matters is the *now*.
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Sanya12364 Posts
Switzerland figured it out early. Peace & Prosperity & Self-defense.
Ever since the Treaty of Westphalia. It spared them all that death and destruction.
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On March 06 2010 01:59 TanGeng wrote:
Switzerland figured it out early. Peace & Prosperity & Self-defense.
Ever since the Treaty of Westphalia. It spared them all that death and destruction.
Because you think that Hitler would have spared them if he wasn't busy elsewhere ?
You gotta be kidding.
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On March 06 2010 01:59 TanGeng wrote:
Switzerland figured it out early. Peace & Prosperity & Self-defense.
Ever since the Treaty of Westphalia. It spared them all that death and destruction.
You do realize the Nazi's did plan on invading Switzerland, right?
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On March 04 2010 12:43 baal wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2010 07:37 DwmC_Foefen wrote:
The goal of the EU is to unite the whole European continent. To make sure we act as one.
While this sounds utopian for the moment, I do think that someday this will be a reality.
A whole lot of countries unified so that we would be up par with the rest of the great powers.
I think the idea behind the EU is a very nice thought.
Alas, reality is something else.
And to the above poster
Yes, Belgium. It has already started.
<.<
>.> Since when does a united global government is utopic, on the contrary its a distopia where pretty much all the horrific future movies are based on. "Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely"
Star Trek
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On March 05 2010 06:53 Boblion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2010 05:15 jello_biafra wrote:On March 05 2010 03:59 xDaunt wrote:On March 04 2010 12:38 KwarK wrote:On March 04 2010 09:41 aqui wrote:On March 04 2010 07:08 Breavman wrote:Since it was brought up, here is a table of the net contributions and receivings of the member states to/from the EU budget up to 2007. Greece and Poland were given the most in that year, while Italy actually contributed witha fair sum. The new members from eastern/central Europe don't befefit that much yet because of transitional provisions. http://www.eu-oplysningen.dk/euo_en/spsv/all/79/Of course, this can't be used to judge the value of the membership for single countries since the numbers are still kind of small (compared to national budgets), and there is so much more to it. (Like someone mentioned, expansion of the internal market is more valuable for some countries.) great so we pay 2-3 times more over the last years than even France and UK how is that fair Because the entire point of the exercise is to stop you fuckers invading France every generation. If you'd just leave them alone then we wouldn't need to secretly try and make you and France the same country to confuse you. If you've ever visited the Deutschhistory Museum in Berlin, you'd know that Germany is about as likely as the Vatican to attempt to invade and conquer another country. Since the end of that whole WW2 thing anyway... On March 05 2010 04:40 Maenander wrote:On March 04 2010 12:38 KwarK wrote:On March 04 2010 09:41 aqui wrote:On March 04 2010 07:08 Breavman wrote:Since it was brought up, here is a table of the net contributions and receivings of the member states to/from the EU budget up to 2007. Greece and Poland were given the most in that year, while Italy actually contributed witha fair sum. The new members from eastern/central Europe don't befefit that much yet because of transitional provisions. http://www.eu-oplysningen.dk/euo_en/spsv/all/79/Of course, this can't be used to judge the value of the membership for single countries since the numbers are still kind of small (compared to national budgets), and there is so much more to it. (Like someone mentioned, expansion of the internal market is more valuable for some countries.) great so we pay 2-3 times more over the last years than even France and UK how is that fair Because the entire point of the exercise is to stop you fuckers invading France every generation. If you'd just leave them alone then we wouldn't need to secretly try and make you and France the same country to confuse you. Hey, only 3 times. They started long before btw And if you count the number of years england was at war with france ... Yeah but that was a constant war fought over a very long period of time all over the globe and we eventually became friends (mostly because of Russia and Germany ), Germany had a habit of full on invading France itself every so often for the hell of it. Actually the only war that the German really started is the WW2 ( though it was France who unallied first after the invasion of Poland ) The 1870 war was started by Napoleon III and WW1 was started because of the retarded alliance system.
you play too much starcraft ;-)
"it was France who unallied first "
lol xD
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On March 06 2010 02:20 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2010 01:59 TanGeng wrote:
Switzerland figured it out early. Peace & Prosperity & Self-defense.
Ever since the Treaty of Westphalia. It spared them all that death and destruction. You do realize the Nazi's did plan on invading Switzerland, right?
Yes, they did. Did you also read where the Nazi's saw that they would have casualties numbering in the millions and decided not to invade? Why do you think that is? When you have a Nation of Militia where every single person is armed, and armed well you think you are going to invade them, or the French?
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Zurich15355 Posts
Get we get back on topic?
News sound increasingly disturbing. Can TL members from Greece please give some perspective what is going on. I'd rather hear the some first hand impressions on the Greek situation than 60 seconds of dramatic CNN footage of street riots.
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