EPThope you people all realize that the DL is funded by the Center for Democracy to the tune of $150,000 per year. Center for Democracy is a CIA funded organization that has existed since the Cold War, and its written objectives is to "fight communism, especially Russia and China". Flying around the world and traveling in style, where do you think he gets the money to do any of this? Not from his loyal brainwashed religious slaves in Tibet obviously.
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Poly325
United States99 Posts
hope you people all realize that the DL is funded by the Center for Democracy to the tune of $150,000 per year. Center for Democracy is a CIA funded organization that has existed since the Cold War, and its written objectives is to "fight communism, especially Russia and China". Flying around the world and traveling in style, where do you think he gets the money to do any of this? Not from his loyal brainwashed religious slaves in Tibet obviously. | ||
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seppolevne
Canada1681 Posts
On February 03 2010 00:59 pioneer8 wrote: Unsure whether you're roleplaying or are seriously stating your opinion, which is ignorant at many levels and just all around arrogant. Yes, killing people for believing something differently than i do is wrong. Perhaps it's meaningless to you now, but i know you'll change your tune when the rifles are pointed at you. ---- The moral aspect in relation to Tibet is that the peaceful Tibetan Buddhists are being persecuted for very mild dissent against the government. It sets the precedent, if it hadn't already been set, that mild dissent = treason. This is in addition to the controversial annexation of Tibet by China, which happened in the 1950's. It takes a much more complete argument then that to state that killing other people for believing something different than you is wrong, or that morals exist at all. For you to simply dismiss that school of thought entirely is "ignorant at many levels and just all around arrogant", and I would avoid doing so. | ||
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pioneer8
United States143 Posts
These things are mainly based on empathy and sympathy, natural and healthy human emotions. A psychopath is someone incapable of empathy, and it is known as a real mental condition. The simplest of human emotions dont need to be explained. The lack of sympathy for those suffering is the source of arrogance. It didn't take me very long to explain... | ||
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iloahz
United States964 Posts
On February 02 2010 20:33 {88}iNcontroL wrote: Al Qaeda -> 9/11, suicide bombs, extreme messages of murder, genocide etc Tibet/DL -> peaceful protests, extreme messages of independence, freedom and religious expression =same? I'd argue not. peaceful protests my ass LOL. It has ALWAYS been violence, slavery, and theocracy. | ||
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zeo
Serbia6331 Posts
On February 03 2010 00:59 pioneer8 wrote: Unsure whether you're roleplaying or are seriously stating your opinion, which is ignorant at many levels and just all around arrogant. Yes, killing people for believing something differently than i do is wrong. Perhaps it's meaningless to you now, but i know you'll change your tune when the rifles are pointed at you. ---- The moral aspect in relation to Tibet is that the peaceful Tibetan Buddhists are being persecuted for very mild dissent against the government. It sets the precedent, if it hadn't already been set, that mild dissent = treason. This is in addition to the controversial annexation of Tibet by China, which happened in the 1950's. Well killing people for believing the same things as you is wrong too, it's much easier to say that killing people in general is wrong. In the end we just keep going in circles, we tend to believe what we (our nation or people) do is right and the other guy (nation or people) is wrong... and we keep saying the same things over and over and over... | ||
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igotmyown
United States4291 Posts
On February 03 2010 00:26 WheelOfTime wrote: God I fucking hate ignorant foreigners discussing about Tibet. As someone who lived in China for years and have traveled to Tibet twice, let me say this: Tibet is FUCKED without China, structurally and economically. Period. Stop all this "free Tibet" bullshit and China bashing. Get to know the facts and opinions from the other perspective, aka none of the major English news sites, and you'll think much differently. How many Tibetans have you discussed this with? Assuming you're not ethnically Chinese and that you didn't speak to them in Chinese. | ||
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seppolevne
Canada1681 Posts
On February 03 2010 02:18 pioneer8 wrote: Your disbelief in morals does not mean that they do not exist. Such things are self-evident. These things are mainly based on empathy and sympathy, natural and healthy human emotions. A psychopath is someone incapable of empathy, and it is known as a real mental condition. The simplest of human emotions dont need to be explained. The lack of sympathy for those suffering is the source of arrogance. It didn't take me very long to explain... And your belief in morals does not mean that they do... And to define something as healthy? According to who? Health is simply the average. The most common condition. Nothing other then that makes psychopaths unhealthy and you healthy, and it could easily be the other way around. | ||
cgrinker
United States3824 Posts
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pioneer8
United States143 Posts
I know that most WC3 tournaments are now in China, and that is dissapointing, and i doubt any gamers to lose their livlihood, but it may be interesting as SC2 comes up with more international tournaments. I wouldn't compete there, not out of any disrespect for the Chinese people, but to send a message to the people. Something like this could actually do alot of good. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
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On February 03 2010 02:39 seppolevne wrote: And your belief in morals does not mean that they do... And to define something as healthy? According to who? Health is simply the average. The most common condition. Nothing other then that makes psychopaths unhealthy and you healthy, and it could easily be the other way around. It's true that things are relative, but you are taking things to too far an extreme. A healthy mind is a rational and functional mind. Health is clearly and accurately defined in a dictionary. It has nothing to do with an average. | ||
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zeo
Serbia6331 Posts
On February 03 2010 02:34 igotmyown wrote: How many Tibetans have you discussed this with? Assuming you're not ethnically Chinese and that you didn't speak to them in Chinese. What someone believes is good for them at what in reality is good for them are two different things, you can't expect that talking with a separatist will get you a non-biased view. I'm not saying the Chinese way is better but in the end it's a problem that China and the exiled government of Tibet have to work out on their own. Me and you won't be living in Tibet, I will certainly never go to Tibet, and Tibet is better off with China. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On February 03 2010 02:47 fox[tail] wrote: What someone believes is good for them at what in reality is good for them are two different things, you can't expect that talking with a separatist will get you a non-biased view. I'm not saying the Chinese way is better but in the end it's a problem that China and the exiled government of Tibet have to work out on their own. Me and you won't be living in Tibet, I will certainly never go to Tibet, and Tibet is better off with China. How can you say definitively that Tibet is better off with China? Was there mass starvation or sickness in Tibet that I was unaware of before China decided to invade? | ||
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zeo
Serbia6331 Posts
On February 03 2010 02:45 pioneer8 wrote: In relation to Starcraft and E-sports, i wonder if any western pro's now or in the future boycott Chinese tournaments. It would send a strong message to the Chinese people and young people everywhere that the Communist party in China that has killed more people ever, than any government or entity in the history of the world, is unacceptable, as are the crimes against free speech, imprisonment, and forced labor of mostly peaceful people. I know that most WC3 tournaments are now in China, and that is dissapointing, and i doubt any gamers to lose their livlihood, but it may be interesting as SC2 comes up with more international tournaments. I wouldn't compete there, not out of any disrespect for the Chinese people, but to send a message to the people. Something like this could actually do alot of good. WTF!!!!! 'has killed more people ever, than any government or entity in the history of the world' Ever heard of Genghis Khan... The Timurid Empire... The Qing dynasty | ||
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DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
and HOW would this threaten US / China relations? | ||
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iloahz
United States964 Posts
On February 03 2010 02:51 travis wrote: How can you say definitively that Tibet is better off with China? Was there mass starvation or sickness in Tibet that I was unaware of before China decided to invade? http://discussions.pbs.org/viewtopic.pbs?t=68073&postdays=0&postorder=asc&topic_view=&start=0&sid=88252ea448cc9ea54cd87de633c21bbe | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
if you are going to tell me you have any sort of definitive evidence tibet is "better off with china", then please sum it up. because I got about 4 paragraphs down and I hadn't seen anything whatsoever. | ||
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Dracid
United States280 Posts
...You really buy into what the western media feeds you don't you? Look, there are problems with China, but if you'd bother to learn even the slightest bit about what life is like in China, you'd realize that the western depiction of China is severely flawed and biased. The Chinese government does not exist solely to make its people miserable, and it'd be really nice if people understood that once in a while. Not to mention that a pro gamer's boycott would seriously accomplish nothing. A significant amount of athletes boycotting the Beijing Olympics might have gotten a message across, but not pro gamers. | ||
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zeo
Serbia6331 Posts
On February 03 2010 02:51 travis wrote: How can you say definitively that Tibet is better off with China? Was there mass starvation or sickness in Tibet that I was unaware of before China decided to invade? What the Chinese are planing: "Chinese President Hu Jintao and other senior leaders attending the fifth meeting on the work of Tibet, from January 18 to 20, agreed that more efforts must be made to greatly improve living standards of the people in Tibet, as well as ethnic unity and stability. In his speech, Hu attached great importance to the work of Tibet, saying it was a pressing task in carrying out the Scientific Outlook on Development, building a well-off society in an all-round way, establishing a national ecological protective screen and realizing sustainable development. The work was also vital to ethnic unity, social stability and national security, as well as a favorable international environment, he added. Hu outlined the guidelines for social and economic development of Tibet in the next decade. He said by 2020 the per capita net income of farmers and herds people in Tibet should be close to the national level. Tibet's capacity to provide public service and infrastructure must also be comparable to the nation's average by 2020, through more government investment and better management. Hu said greater emphasis must be put on the improvement of the livelihood of Tibetan farmers and herdsmen, a better coordination of social-economic development, Tibet's capacity of self development, and environmental protection. "Leapfrog development of Tibet actually means the combination of economic growth, well-off life, a healthy eco-environment, and social stability and progress," he said. He stressed Tibet's significance in ensuring China's national security, and efforts in building the region into a strategic reserve of natural resources, an agricultural production base, a land with unique culture and a world-class tourism destination. Hu said agriculture, animal husbandry, tourism, handicraft industry, and resource development would enjoy more support. In order to further improve the livelihood of Tibetan people, more government budget will go to public services, such as education, medical services, telecommunication, and social security network that covers both urban and rural residents. Other senior leaders attending the meeting included Wu Bangguo, Wen Jiabao, Jia Qinglin, Li Changchun, Xi Jinping, Li Keqiang, He Guoqiang and Zhou Yongkang. Premier Wen Jiabao said priorities should be given to people's livelihood, social services, infrastructure, industries with regional features and environmental protection. Speaking of education, he said free education would be offered for all the children of farmers and herdsmen in primary schools and junior and senior high schools. The central government would preserve the consistency and stability of favorable policies towards Tibet and further improve policy support and financial investment in the region. Wen pledged more efforts to cultivate talents for the development of Tibet, and encouraged other parts of China to provide cadre, talents, technological and financial support for it." The future of Tibet is bright | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
Obama will see him, there will be some rhetoric thrown at the media, and a week later everyone will have forgotten (China included). | ||
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