EPTAlso, to get the same doze as you would get with an analogue cigarette you have to vape longer than what you are used to. If I get a really bad craving I may have to vape as long as 10 or so minutes until I am satisfied.
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Maindi
Finland104 Posts
Also, to get the same doze as you would get with an analogue cigarette you have to vape longer than what you are used to. If I get a really bad craving I may have to vape as long as 10 or so minutes until I am satisfied. | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
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OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
I've started doing it inside (though I won't do it inside at someone's house or business unless they say it's cool out of respect). At first I didn't fully trust Wheat when he said there's no smell because it does have a smell. But it doesn't linger or get stuck to stuff like cigarettes will. There's no complaints about it stinking up the joint or anything. Plus since winter is coming and I live in Minnesota it saves me from having to go outside and freeze my ass off if I'm at home. Though I do vape more now that it's so easy not having to suit up and go outside. I can just sit at my computer and go to town. | ||
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
quitting-crave is there for a week or two but its much easier to manage when you're sucking on these ecigs. for those interested, i've done tone of research and for beginners the market is confusing as fuck. my recommended set up best bang for buck (~$35): battery: Joytech ego-c with pass through so you can charge and vape, 750mah+ to last all day. "clearomizer": Kanger Protank 2 (easy to replace coil, no leaks) you can also get attachment to smoke hash oil but i stopped because this is actually quiet a hassle compared to just packing a bowl. as for liquid, all the brands are same to me so get what flavor you like available on whatever brand. to me the most comparable thing would be smoking hookah, with good strong battery and good atomizer/clearomizer/attachment, you can get very good hits. | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
Its still poison. | ||
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
On November 23 2013 09:41 LaNague wrote: yes, i get very angry at people that think they can smoke anywhere just because the smoke is invisible. Its still poison. How is it still poison? | ||
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OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
On November 23 2013 09:36 opisska wrote: Surprising that some people talk about smoking indoors. E-ciggaretes are now banned here pretty much everywhere normaln ciggaretes are (meaning, you can't legally smoke it even on a bus stop). And you can't smoke it inside my doors as well. You can just see the vapor coming out of your mouth and nose, so it's very hard to convince anyone that it doesn't produce shit. Even though it doesn't have all the carcinogens of normal tobacco burning, there is still nicotine, not really a substance I would like to be inhaling. There's vapor coming from your tea kettle and from your own mouth when its cold out, clearly poison! Like I said (and like most sane people) I don't use it indoors unless I've been cleared by someone to use it there. I'm not going to go into someone's house or a restaurant and just start ripping because I have respect for the person's building. I won't even bring it up and ask them because I'm not an assbag who is going to put someone on the spot. But if they see me with it, recognize what it is and tell me it's cool of their own accord I'll go to town. Outside I'll use it anywhere I fucking please though. | ||
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BreakfastBurrito
United States893 Posts
On November 23 2013 09:41 LaNague wrote: yes, i get very angry at people that think they can smoke anywhere just because the smoke is invisible. Its still poison. Not that this will change your mind, but By the standards of occupational hygiene, current data do not indicate that exposures to vapers from contaminants in electronic cigarettes warrant a concern. There are no known toxicological synergies among compounds in the aerosol, and mixture of the contaminants does not pose a risk to health. http://publichealth.drexel.edu/~/media/Files/publichealth/ms08.pdf | ||
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Maindi
Finland104 Posts
On November 23 2013 08:57 jinorazi wrote: i switched to e-cig a few months ago, using 6mg level liquids and it wasnt hard moving away from normal cigarette at all. quitting-crave is there for a week or two but its much easier to manage when you're sucking on these ecigs. for those interested, i've done tone of research and for beginners the market is confusing as fuck. my recommended set up best bang for buck (~$35): battery: Joytech ego-c with pass through so you can charge and vape, 750mah+ to last all day. "clearomizer": Kanger Protank 2 (easy to replace coil, no leaks) you can also get attachment to smoke hash oil but i stopped because this is actually quiet a hassle compared to just packing a bowl. as for liquid, all the brands are same to me so get what flavor you like available on whatever brand. to me the most comparable thing would be smoking hookah, with good strong battery and good atomizer/clearomizer/attachment, you can get very good hits. Pretty good recommendations but I'd like to add a few things. Also grats on swithing to ecigs! For heavy smokers/chain vapers (myself included) 750mAh battery doesn't last all day so I'd advice getting a 1100mAh if you previously smoked alot (like a pack a day). Protanks are great but there are several other good and easy alternatives. I personally use the Aspire BDC when I'm on the go and it's a great little clearo. Really cheap and easy to use and produces great vapour and flavour. On the liquids.. I couldn't disagree more. There's a huge difference with different brands. After vaping chinese eliquids for a month or so I tried some made my a UK based small company and the difference is night and day. If you are happy with eliquds you have then great! But if some newbies try some Chinese brands/other shitty brands/liquids and don't get satisfied please don't give up on vaping and try some better quality liquids. Personally I've moved to DIY liquids. They are actually really easy to make, you have basically unlimited options on the flavour department and they are alot cheaper than buying liquids from vendors. | ||
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Ghostcom
Denmark4783 Posts
On November 23 2013 12:17 BreakfastBurrito wrote: Not that this will change your mind, but http://publichealth.drexel.edu/~/media/Files/publichealth/ms08.pdf I have taken the liberty of bolding the important part of your selected quote, because it seems like you were a little too quick on the trigger there. It is all fine and dandy that the contaminants do not appear toxic at the levels in the vapor, however that doesn't change the fact that the vapor in it's entirety is cause for concern. From the same paragraph as you quoted: However, aerosol generated during vaping on the whole, when considering the declared ingredients themselves, if it were treated in the same manner as an emission from industrial process, creates personal exposures that would justify surveillance of exposures and health among exposed persons. The authors of that article (which isn't published in a peer-reviewed journal and has some pretty relevant COI which you neglected to mention) subscribe to the notion that second-hand smoke shouldn't be an issue as the exposure is in orders of magnitude less than for the person using the e-cigarette - however I see no actual data to support this, and no matter how they try to avoid the nicotine exposure (they claim it voluntary to the user, and conveniently enough neglect it for the 2 lines they have assigned to talking about second-hand exposure). And even better, in the 2 lines about second-hand exposure they neglect to account for the fact that this second-hand exposure is still imposed on people without their consent which is morally a cause for concern. All in all - e-cigs are less harmful than traditional ones, but they still aren't comparable to fresh air - don't try and pass it off as such. EDIT: For the record: I couldn't care less about what you decide to inhale and not to inhale. I believe in people making informed choices and taking responsibilities for their own actions. Ultimately the choice is really yours, so vapor on  | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On November 23 2013 21:15 Ghostcom wrote: I have taken the liberty of bolding the important part of your selected quote, because it seems like you were a little too quick on the trigger there. It is all fine and dandy that the contaminants do not appear toxic at the levels in the vapor, however that doesn't change the fact that the vapor in it's entirety is cause for concern. From the same paragraph as you quoted: The authors of that article (which isn't published in a peer-reviewed journal and has some pretty relevant COI which you neglected to mention) subscribe to the notion that second-hand smoke shouldn't be an issue as the exposure is in orders of magnitude less than for the person using the e-cigarette - however I see no actual data to support this, and no matter how they try to avoid the nicotine exposure (they claim it voluntary to the user, and conveniently enough neglect it for the 2 lines they have assigned to talking about second-hand exposure). And even better, in the 2 lines about second-hand exposure they neglect to account for the fact that this second-hand exposure is still imposed on people without their consent which is morally a cause for concern. All in all - e-cigs are less harmful than traditional ones, but they still aren't comparable to fresh air - don't try and pass it off as such. EDIT: For the record: I couldn't care less about what you decide to inhale and not to inhale. I believe in people making informed choices and taking responsibilities for their own actions. Ultimately the choice is really yours, so vapor on Do you even leave your house? lol. | ||
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Ghostcom
Denmark4783 Posts
Brilliant argument right there. lol. | ||
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shaftofpleasure
Korea (North)1375 Posts
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Kickboxer
Slovenia1308 Posts
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Wegandi
United States2455 Posts
On November 23 2013 21:29 shaftofpleasure wrote: try smearing that fluid on any painted surfaces and see if it causes a reaction .. if it does, think about it. What does this have to do with anything? Water is one of the best solvents known, yet are you going to argue it is highly dangerous because of its chemical properties? There are also very toxic substances you don't want to ingest or inhale that have no reaction, but in your view they'd be just ok? Ok then.... | ||
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Incomplet
United Kingdom1419 Posts
Save lots of $$$ Doesnt smell so gf loves it Feels healthier Not illegal indoors in the UK Can get away smoking in places i normally cant. ie: can use toilet breaks at work to sneak a few drags in the cubicles or on the bus. Did i mention saves a shit load of cash?? | ||
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