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They say it has a similar effect as cigarettes but doesn't the effect come from the tobacco in the cigarette and the other chemicals?
It's just not the same...
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Hypnosis
United States2061 Posts
Clicky They say it has a similar effect as cigarettes but doesn't the effect come from the tobacco in the cigarette and the other chemicals? It's just not the same... | ||
StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
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esla_sol
United States756 Posts
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
My friend actually used this and ended up quitting smoking cigs altogether because of the use. Sorry i don't know much more about ecigs themselves. | ||
prOxi.swAMi
Australia3091 Posts
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Hypnosis
United States2061 Posts
On January 04 2010 08:11 prOxi.swAMi wrote: What I'm curious about is why nobody seems to have created a cigarette which has nicotine but none of the other harsh chemicals that cause death... Surely there's good money to be made around that idea... Yet we see nothing. Does anybody know much about this? hahah i was talking to my friend and he's like "i didn;t get it because what if it kills you in 5 years or something, there isn't enough research" So i said "Dude what if it causes lung cancer?" lolol i guess nothing is like the real cancer stick | ||
Xeofreestyler
Belgium6737 Posts
And its not tobacco that gives you the effect.. its the nicotine inside. | ||
gamecrazy
United States421 Posts
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On January 04 2010 08:11 prOxi.swAMi wrote: What I'm curious about is why nobody seems to have created a cigarette which has nicotine but none of the other harsh chemicals that cause death... Surely there's good money to be made around that idea... Yet we see nothing. Does anybody know much about this? Burning Tobacco has this effect, it's unavoidable really. As the guy above me said, a vaporizer removes this problem. | ||
Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On January 04 2010 08:18 gamecrazy wrote: Ecigarettes are filled with "e-juice" that's made from propylene glycol and laced with nicotine. Smoking that stuff is probably just as harmful as a real cigarette, but doesn't even give you the same sensation. I don't know because I've never tried, but I wouldn't say that it's safe. Propylene Glycol has a very very low toxicity when ingested orally...and you're not even ingesting it so much as breathing vapors from it. It's not the healthiest thing you could do but it's far better than tobacco smoke. | ||
freelander
Hungary4707 Posts
Then I heard that all the brands are made in China and every second one you order gets broken fast, so I didn't go for it in the end. | ||
Snet
United States3573 Posts
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
Getting flavor packet shiz is a chore. Going to mall everytime to buy pack. Ridiculous. I havent smoked a cig in over a month now. So strong. Now I just have to keep it up... forever?!?! Discouraging. | ||
caution.slip
United States775 Posts
On January 04 2010 08:16 Xeofreestyler wrote: The harsh chemicals that cause death are carcinogens, produced by burning the stuff. If you use a vaporizer, you're not burning stuff. And its not tobacco that gives you the effect.. its the nicotine inside. reminds me of the autotune the news where the politician was talking about smoking lettuce starts at 0:52 Here's a riddle for you: what looks like a cigarette, smells like a cigarette, tastes like a cigarette, and feels like a cigarette? How can it smell and taste like a cigarette if it produces vapor instead of smoke? | ||
sleeepy
Canada777 Posts
Relevant and a TF2 plug xD | ||
DivinO
United States4796 Posts
I just thought I should put that out there. | ||
LordWeird
United States3411 Posts
On January 04 2010 08:11 prOxi.swAMi wrote: What I'm curious about is why nobody seems to have created a cigarette which has nicotine but none of the other harsh chemicals that cause death... Surely there's good money to be made around that idea... Yet we see nothing. Does anybody know much about this? Natural American Spirit. They taste awful but are additive-free (or so they claim). They are also ridiculously expensive. I'm not sure what you mean about harsh chemicals that cause death though. The smoke in and of itself is pretty bad. | ||
Mykill
Canada3402 Posts
thats good to know! | ||
Foreplay
United States1154 Posts
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noddyz
United Kingdom462 Posts
Maybe i just bought a poor one, or maybe the'll get better with time. Not getting another one for a while though. | ||
caution.slip
United States775 Posts
On January 04 2010 08:51 LordWeird wrote: Show nested quote + On January 04 2010 08:11 prOxi.swAMi wrote: What I'm curious about is why nobody seems to have created a cigarette which has nicotine but none of the other harsh chemicals that cause death... Surely there's good money to be made around that idea... Yet we see nothing. Does anybody know much about this? Natural American Spirit. They taste awful but are additive-free (or so they claim). They are also ridiculously expensive. I'm not sure what you mean about harsh chemicals that cause death though. The smoke in and of itself is pretty bad. i think american spirits taste great. They're the only cigs that hit the spot for me since they dont sell Mild Sevens (japanese brand) in my area | ||
Robinsa
Japan1333 Posts
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spoolinoveryou
United States503 Posts
this made me loooool when i first saw it like last month. | ||
Robinsa
Japan1333 Posts
On January 04 2010 09:06 caution.slip wrote: Show nested quote + On January 04 2010 08:51 LordWeird wrote: On January 04 2010 08:11 prOxi.swAMi wrote: What I'm curious about is why nobody seems to have created a cigarette which has nicotine but none of the other harsh chemicals that cause death... Surely there's good money to be made around that idea... Yet we see nothing. Does anybody know much about this? Natural American Spirit. They taste awful but are additive-free (or so they claim). They are also ridiculously expensive. I'm not sure what you mean about harsh chemicals that cause death though. The smoke in and of itself is pretty bad. i think american spirits taste great. They're the only cigs that hit the spot for me since they dont sell Mild Sevens (japanese brand) in my area I always smoke mild seven aswell. I think theyre owned by Marlbro, atleast theyre refering to the malbro health page on their packs. I heard a russian friend could buy them in Moscow, strange that they dont sell them in the states. :/ | ||
KaRnaGe[cF]
United States355 Posts
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
Propylene glycol is considered a safe ingredient and is widely used in cosmetic products and ingested products like food and pharmaceuticals. It is on the US Food and Drug Administration's list of ingredients which are Generally Recognized As Safe (GRAS) and is recognized by the World Health Organization as safe for use. The only bad thing about this is that you get addicted to nicotine. | ||
T.Sqd)LillTT
Lithuania149 Posts
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HeaDStrong
Scotland785 Posts
they cant replace real cigs- it's not the same. there are better ways of quitting- stop buying cigs and you're done. as easy as that. | ||
HowitZer
United States1610 Posts
Being a never-smoker, I didn't consider starting smoking becuase there are e-cigarettes. | ||
Caphe
Vietnam10817 Posts
Good try for teenagers though, the new way to introduce them to the world of nicotine | ||
AtlaS
United States1001 Posts
Random note, I quit one week ago and for some reason it just worked this time. I had the gum for the first 4 days but then was fine after that. I'm happy that I don't have to pay $20+ a week for cigarettes anymore. | ||
Caphe
Vietnam10817 Posts
On January 04 2010 12:14 AtlaS wrote: Tried it, pretty fucking disappointing. I thought it was a great idea to help me quit or at least change my smoking habits (i was tired of always smelling like smoke and feeling lazy and winded after a cigarette) since the gum/patch didn't quite fulfill the oral fixation of a real cigarette but it just wasn't the same. It left a little bit of a weird taste in your mouth after you inhale and it just wouldn't quench the craving. It felt like a novelty item because I didn't have to go outside to smoke but that only lasted a few days. Random note, I quit one week ago and for some reason it just worked this time. I had the gum for the first 4 days but then was fine after that. I'm happy that I don't have to pay $20+ a week for cigarettes anymore. Thats good for you. I'm trying to quit as well. Can u share some useful tips that help quit smoking? | ||
piratebay
United States399 Posts
it works really well. it basically vaporizes nicotine. its kind of weird at the beginning but you get the nicotine fix without the combustion of tobacco (no tar) its great in weaning yoruself off real cigarettes, but do your research. dont buy a piece of shit one. | ||
ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
Fun item, but they definitely don't replace real cigs. | ||
ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
Don't be a pussy. Smoke or don't smoke, don't delude yourself into thinking you "want to quit" or that you're "thinking about it." | ||
Equaoh
Canada427 Posts
Might help some people start quitting though. | ||
AtlaS
United States1001 Posts
On January 04 2010 12:17 Caphe wrote: Show nested quote + On January 04 2010 12:14 AtlaS wrote: Tried it, pretty fucking disappointing. I thought it was a great idea to help me quit or at least change my smoking habits (i was tired of always smelling like smoke and feeling lazy and winded after a cigarette) since the gum/patch didn't quite fulfill the oral fixation of a real cigarette but it just wasn't the same. It left a little bit of a weird taste in your mouth after you inhale and it just wouldn't quench the craving. It felt like a novelty item because I didn't have to go outside to smoke but that only lasted a few days. Random note, I quit one week ago and for some reason it just worked this time. I had the gum for the first 4 days but then was fine after that. I'm happy that I don't have to pay $20+ a week for cigarettes anymore. Thats good for you. I'm trying to quit as well. Can u share some useful tips that help quit smoking? The gum helps a lot but it also has failed me many times in the past. I also primarily only smoked in my car so I made sure that I cleared out all the lighters and did everything in my willpower to not buy a pack when passing a gas station. It's all about rearranging and relearning all of the activities that you associate smoking with. That and the motivation to actually quit. Something just finally hit me this time. | ||
Disregard
China10252 Posts
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PH
United States6173 Posts
On January 04 2010 08:11 prOxi.swAMi wrote: What I'm curious about is why nobody seems to have created a cigarette which has nicotine but none of the other harsh chemicals that cause death... Surely there's good money to be made around that idea... Yet we see nothing. Does anybody know much about this? Cigarettes without the tobacco is like watching porn instead of having sex. | ||
Patriot.dlk
Sweden5462 Posts
That was more then two years ago. I wanted to start again badly a few times but since I since I had thrown away perfectly fine cigarettes It would be a total failure. Oh and my granmother died from sickness related to smoking a year ago, I made the right choice, yay! | ||
Patriot.dlk
Sweden5462 Posts
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WeSt
Portugal918 Posts
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NiGoL
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Hypnosis
United States2061 Posts
On January 06 2010 04:03 WeSt wrote: What about the same idea but with THC instead of nicotine? Sounds like a hit product. That's fucking genius! You could load a bit of hash in there and then it vaporizes it. It seems like the same exact process going on that's for sure. shhh don't tell anyone | ||
CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
On January 06 2010 03:47 Patriot.dlk wrote: When I quit smoking I had just bought a new lighter and two packs of cigarettes. Then I thought, to hell with it and threw them in the trashcan outside the store. That was more then two years ago. I wanted to start again badly a few times but since I since I had thrown away perfectly fine cigarettes It would be a total failure. Oh and my granmother died from sickness related to smoking a year ago, I made the right choice, yay! what the hell, why not just try to return it? | ||
Hypnosis
United States2061 Posts
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Wr3k
Canada2533 Posts
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evanthebouncy!
United States12796 Posts
I'd buy that hahaha sounds so cool for dry throat | ||
Schnake
Germany2819 Posts
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9287
United States134 Posts
On January 04 2010 08:00 Hypnosis wrote: I was browsing some website and I came across this article Clicky They say it has a similar effect as cigarettes but doesn't the effect come from the tobacco in the cigarette and the other chemicals? It's just not the same... you get JUST the tobacco and NOT all the arsenic and shit. im thinking about getting one | ||
Hypnosis
United States2061 Posts
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evanthebouncy!
United States12796 Posts
On January 04 2010 09:57 spoolinoveryou wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiqfGVmBD6U this made me loooool when i first saw it like last month. ;] | ||
ultramagnetics
Poland215 Posts
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Romance_us
Seychelles1806 Posts
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bdams19
United States1316 Posts
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haduken
Australia8267 Posts
That's why it is critical that the delivery of nicotine is done within reason (Not that it won't kill you, just not instant). And the fact that this product haven't be evaluated properly yet. We don't know what harm it can do to your body. I was very interested in this until I realized that it is actually banned in Australia. -_- | ||
Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
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ghostWriter
United States3302 Posts
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RaYhN
United States437 Posts
On January 04 2010 09:59 Robinsa wrote: Show nested quote + On January 04 2010 09:06 caution.slip wrote: On January 04 2010 08:51 LordWeird wrote: On January 04 2010 08:11 prOxi.swAMi wrote: What I'm curious about is why nobody seems to have created a cigarette which has nicotine but none of the other harsh chemicals that cause death... Surely there's good money to be made around that idea... Yet we see nothing. Does anybody know much about this? Natural American Spirit. They taste awful but are additive-free (or so they claim). They are also ridiculously expensive. I'm not sure what you mean about harsh chemicals that cause death though. The smoke in and of itself is pretty bad. i think american spirits taste great. They're the only cigs that hit the spot for me since they dont sell Mild Sevens (japanese brand) in my area I always smoke mild seven aswell. I think theyre owned by Marlbro, atleast theyre refering to the malbro health page on their packs. I heard a russian friend could buy them in Moscow, strange that they dont sell them in the states. :/ I love mild sevens too! i live in San Francisco, California and i can only find them at 2 supermarkets(Japanese and Chinese supermarkets) | ||
Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
Thanks in advance! | ||
Bigtony
United States1606 Posts
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Artunit
Philippines398 Posts
On August 25 2013 00:48 Saechiis wrote: I'm thinking of buying an e-cigarette for my mom (and possibly for my brother and father if it proves helpful). I've seen Wheat and Tasteless use them and I've done a little research on their pros and cons, but I don't smoke myself so I'm not really sure what I'm looking for here. Anyone have experience using e-cigarettes? Does it help smoke less/ stop? Is it practical? Recommendations as to which one I should buy? Thanks in advance! Hi, yeah it helps me smoke a little for few weeks but after some time I just missed the real cigarettes and just doubled my cost buying cigarette + e-juice on a regular basis. I think it is more practical than real cigarette if you decided to stick to it and just a advice buy different kinds of flavors for the person you want to give it to coz if they stick to 1 flavor they will just go back to real cigarettes faster, atleast that is the case for me since I only bought 1 flavor since I really liked it at start. Btw e-juices has many kind of nicotine content options depending on you what you want. There is 0 mg that has 0 nicotine content and 6 mg that has a little and 12, 16,18. For a smoker I guess 6mg for a start is good. Also I think there is a marlboro red flavor on different nicotine content packages and there is a deep blue flavor which equals the marlboro menthol. Edit: I just want to add that I know many people who thought e-cigarette would lessen their smoking and can eventually totally quit but failed but ofcourse it still depends on the person since on the otherhand I know some people too that totally stopped smoking after using e-cigarette. | ||
teer
United States189 Posts
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Artunit
Philippines398 Posts
On August 25 2013 01:45 teer wrote: It is practical but could get extremely expensive if you become a collector of all the different mods and devices available. The only initial starting problem is finding the proper strength and flavor combinations. If you find yourself still craving a cig then you need to up the nicotine strength. I used to smoke 1-2 pack a day and found that 24mg nicotine was the sweet spot when i first started then I gradually worked my way lower (currently using 12-18mg). The most user friendly and easy to use would be carto based. A couple websites would be Vapor4life and Bloog. I have purchased from both these places and they are both respectable. Yeah good point forgot to mention the mods and devices collecting since it generally can be a another type of addiction. | ||
tshi
United States2495 Posts
On August 25 2013 01:54 Artunit wrote: Show nested quote + On August 25 2013 01:45 teer wrote: It is practical but could get extremely expensive if you become a collector of all the different mods and devices available. The only initial starting problem is finding the proper strength and flavor combinations. If you find yourself still craving a cig then you need to up the nicotine strength. I used to smoke 1-2 pack a day and found that 24mg nicotine was the sweet spot when i first started then I gradually worked my way lower (currently using 12-18mg). The most user friendly and easy to use would be carto based. A couple websites would be Vapor4life and Bloog. I have purchased from both these places and they are both respectable. Yeah good point forgot to mention the mods and devices collecting since it generally can be a another type of addiction. Hahaha. I never thought about that stuff. I use this: http://greensmartliving.com/ It's kinda cheap and about the size of a regular cigarette so it's easy to take anywhere. I generally like it because I can smoke indoors and I like the flavors (peach and vanilla are really good). As far as the amount of nicotine, I'm not too sure how to give "advice on it" cuz I never got heavy into cigarettes (1 pack a month or so). | ||
Bigtony
United States1606 Posts
^^ djwheat ecig guide. | ||
OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
Here's my 2 cents. Don't get Blu or any of those little cigarette sized ecigs. They're fucking worthless! They may be small but thats what makes them awful. They've got no power, don't make enough vapor, the battery is dinky, its like sucking on a little piece of plastic. If you really want to switch then you're going to have to have something that gets the job done. It might be bigger but thats the price you pay for actually having something that'll deal with the cravings. First step I'd say see if there's any ecig shops in your area. Go there, and try out stuff, take your mom with if you want her to test things and get a feel for it. Try the flavors, try the devices, there's a trillion more flavors online. You'll probably start with something tobacco flavored like I did but I quickly switched to Pomegranate since why not vape something that tastes good. You're not tied to tobacco flavor anymore so experiment. Recommendations for starting I'd go with a standard Ego style. Its generic so most stuff will fit on it. Most likely it'll come with an atomizer which is fine but you'll do a ton of refilling which gets annoying and is impossible to do while driving unless you want to kill someone. I'd recommend an iclear clearomizer which will hold plenty of juice for you. Depending how much you vape it'll last somewhere from 1/2 a day to a full day per tank. Easy to fill, good clean hit, it works very well. Also something to consider if you want to vape from your desk is getting your ego with a USB pass thru battery so you can just have it plugged in and rip all day long. The standard way of charging is to screw the tank off and screw your battery onto a charger, a pass thru saves all that. You can get into mods and variable voltage and all that fancy shit but just an ego setup with an iclear will get the job done, its a good starting point. Go to a shop, try everything out, have a pricepoint in mind because the crazy shit gets crazy expensive. Nicotine wise I'm surely taking in more nicotine than before I switched because its easy to chain vape. You can do the thing where you drop down the level and ween yourself off but kicking nicotine is going to suck ballsack any way you cut it. The links are all for my local shop so prices can vary obviously depending on where you get your shit. Smokes here are ~$6-7 a pack you're looking at ~$200 a month for a pack a day. Right now I'll do a 60ml bottle of 20mg Pomegranate a month, and 2 or 3 replacement heads for my clearomizer a month. $35 for the juice $3.50 each head is $45.50 a month. I can breathe better, I can taste WAYYYYYYYYY fucking better, no shitty smell, I don't get cravings. I can actually smell cigarettes now lol. Find a store and try some stuff out for yourself. If I didn't have a place so close to me I probably wouldn't have tried again after that Blu piece of shit. There's a ton of options out there now. | ||
Poonchow
United States56 Posts
I can breathe better, I can taste WAYYYYYYYYY fucking better, no shitty smell, I don't get cravings. I can actually smell cigarettes now lol. I can attest to that. I can smell a cigarette from a car sitting 20 feet away with my windows up. I can't stand the smell, now, and my roommate still smokes. I started vaping in January, had no intentions to quit analogs, and instantly fell in love. I gave away my last pack of cigarettes and never looked back. I was smoking about 1/2 pack to 1 pack a day. Funny enough, I still had cravings for analogs for about 2 weeks, no matter how much nicotine I was vaping. I remember reading a while ago that the only additives tobacco companies put in their cigarettes are in the paper, everything else is water + different strains of tobacco, but I call bullshit. That shit is something powerful. Nicotine, for me, is like a slightly stronger version of caffeine: I get a headache after half a day or so of no nicotine, but I don't wake up and feel like I need it. I vape 18mg and don't feel owned by it like cigarettes used to have on me. Stress, food, and alcohol don't really hit the craving switch like cigarettes did. Mint + any fruit flavor is just fantastic in terms of taste, and I would recommend ecigs 100% to anyone who currently smokes to try out a setup that OuchyDathurts suggested. Alternatively, reddit.com/r/electronic_cigarettes has a wealth of resources in terms of buying guides, discounts, and suggestions for beginners. You have to do a little bit more planning, allocating, and the up-front cost might seem steep, but if you are intelligent about what you buy, you can save a ton of money over analogs. | ||
OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
My dad still smokes and the smell doesn't bug me. It's just something that didn't register for years. When you first start smoking you know what cigarette smoke smells like but once you get used to it it just doesn't register anymore. Hot food is also way more noticeable for me, that's probably the biggest change taste wise. Stuff that wasn't that hot before is now like holy shit lol. | ||
Manit0u
Poland17067 Posts
I tried e-cigs after 15 years of smoking and they didn't do it for me. Carrots are the way to go. | ||
OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
On August 25 2013 16:32 Manit0u wrote: I wonder how people who were smoking menthols react to e-cigs. Menthol cigarettes are 2x more addicting than regular ones (menthol activating the same receptors as nicotine, doubling the effect). I tried e-cigs after 15 years of smoking and they didn't do it for me. Carrots are the way to go. I'm not sure, i always hated menthols personally and don't know anyone closely who smoked them. I know there's some flavors but not sure how they work. I tried the carrots thing. Tried gum which is dreadful. Tried cold turkey. Tried quitting on vacation so I wouldn't have people annoying me forcing me back into the habit but I was too stressed about being on vacation so that didn't work lol. I never cared that I smoked, it never bothered me at all. It wasn't some like concern that I stop or anything. I tried the Blu for shits and giggles and while its fucking awful you sort of get the idea that "well, if this thing wasn't a piece of shit, but I can see how this would actually get the job done if it was done properly." After 10 years I was like fuck it, i'll try and quit, 10 years seems like a milestone. | ||
Xiao KA
Denmark34 Posts
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Audemed
United States893 Posts
On August 25 2013 16:47 Xiao KA wrote: Just quit, it's not that hard if you really want to That's the thing, most of us DON'T want to, we kind of need to. I started with my e-cig about 6 months ago, to try to wean myself off tobacco, didn't work. However, in the past few weeks I've started running again (fatty), and i thit me pretty hard how much the smoking had taken a toll. So, over the past 2 weeks I've had a total of 4 real cigarettes, and have gone through almost a pack of cartridges for my e-cig. It's not the same, that's for sure, and you certainly end up using more, but god it's nice to not be smelly. That said, I do still miss the tobacco | ||
NSGrendel
United Kingdom235 Posts
But your mileage will vary and people smoke for different reasons. The only reason I started smoking tobacco in the first place was because weed is illegal. So something that mimics the mechanics works well for me. | ||
NSGrendel
United Kingdom235 Posts
On August 25 2013 16:32 Manit0u wrote: I wonder how people who were smoking menthols react to e-cigs. Menthol cigarettes are 2x more addicting than regular ones (menthol activating the same receptors as nicotine, doubling the effect). I tried e-cigs after 15 years of smoking and they didn't do it for me. Carrots are the way to go. I'd love to see where the data for this comes from. Not saying it's not true, it's just that I've swapped back and forth between regular tobacco and menthol and never noticed a difference. | ||
Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On August 25 2013 16:47 Xiao KA wrote: Just quit, it's not that hard if you really want to No it's not. Try quitting video games for 1year... Even if you are not an addict. It will be hard. Imagine when the stuff is medically addicting I started "vaping" (i hate that word) since 2month. I still smoke at work and sometimes at noon but while i would have a smoke between each match in SC2 i do vaping so i don't do 5 or 6smoke an hour (6pool ftw. It makes you smoke guys). Really with a 12mg dosage it's sometime hard not to get a smoke but it can do it. I mean, got a sunday without any real cigarette. Just the esig. The only thing that it's SHIT. Is when you drive. I just can "vape" while driving. It's not practical. | ||
Rimstalker
Germany734 Posts
On August 25 2013 16:47 Xiao KA wrote: Just quit, it's not that hard if you really want to Just recently I stumbled across a quora discussion about insights from various job fields. Someone from a addiction treatment/mental health institution background chimed in and said nicotine is the hardest of all drug addictions to quit. http://www.quora.com/Jobs-1/Whats-something-that-is-common-knowledge-at-your-work-place-but-will-be-mind-blowing-to-the-rest-of-us quote Substance abuse program- My patients quit every kind of drug known. The hardest drug for them to quit is nicotine. Smoking. | ||
EngrishTeacher
Canada1109 Posts
On August 30 2013 00:09 Rimstalker wrote: Show nested quote + On August 25 2013 16:47 Xiao KA wrote: Just quit, it's not that hard if you really want to Just recently I stumbled across a quora discussion about insights from various job fields. Someone from a addiction treatment/mental health institution background chimed in and said nicotine is the hardest of all drug addictions to quit. http://www.quora.com/Jobs-1/Whats-something-that-is-common-knowledge-at-your-work-place-but-will-be-mind-blowing-to-the-rest-of-us quote Substance abuse program- My patients quit every kind of drug known. The hardest drug for them to quit is nicotine. Smoking. It's not that nicotine is the most chemically addictive substance on earth, but rather the legality of it, the seeming harmlessness of it, the comparatively long-term habituation associated with it, the social aspect of smoking, that makes it - SO GOD DAMN HARD TO QUIT. I mean, it's not like you can legally obtain heroin and shoot it up on the street, you know how that shit is bad for you, you won't find many shooting it up outside of niche circles of sketchy people, and just how many IV heroin users manage to keep the habit for 20 years? FFS, for me personally e-cigs just don't satisfy my cravings; I enjoy the sensation of a real cig drag - the burn or "massage" as I'd like to call it, down my throat. Been trying to cut down on smoking, went from 1/2 pack a day to 1/3 a day but sometimes I'd still have these binges when I chain a pack a night playing SC2 Damn now that I think about it, SC2 and smoking go hand in hand so well, and is probably one of the reasons as to why I can't quit. A celebratory cig after a nice win for additional dopamine pleasures, and a consolatory cig after a loss to pat myself on the back - I don't even feel like queuing up the next game if I don't have a cig lit. Anyone feel the same way? | ||
teer
United States189 Posts
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Maindi
Finland104 Posts
Also, to get the same doze as you would get with an analogue cigarette you have to vape longer than what you are used to. If I get a really bad craving I may have to vape as long as 10 or so minutes until I am satisfied. | ||
FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
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OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
I've started doing it inside (though I won't do it inside at someone's house or business unless they say it's cool out of respect). At first I didn't fully trust Wheat when he said there's no smell because it does have a smell. But it doesn't linger or get stuck to stuff like cigarettes will. There's no complaints about it stinking up the joint or anything. Plus since winter is coming and I live in Minnesota it saves me from having to go outside and freeze my ass off if I'm at home. Though I do vape more now that it's so easy not having to suit up and go outside. I can just sit at my computer and go to town. | ||
Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
quitting-crave is there for a week or two but its much easier to manage when you're sucking on these ecigs. for those interested, i've done tone of research and for beginners the market is confusing as fuck. my recommended set up best bang for buck (~$35): battery: Joytech ego-c with pass through so you can charge and vape, 750mah+ to last all day. "clearomizer": Kanger Protank 2 (easy to replace coil, no leaks) you can also get attachment to smoke hash oil but i stopped because this is actually quiet a hassle compared to just packing a bowl. as for liquid, all the brands are same to me so get what flavor you like available on whatever brand. to me the most comparable thing would be smoking hookah, with good strong battery and good atomizer/clearomizer/attachment, you can get very good hits. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
Its still poison. | ||
Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
On November 23 2013 09:41 LaNague wrote: yes, i get very angry at people that think they can smoke anywhere just because the smoke is invisible. Its still poison. How is it still poison? | ||
OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
On November 23 2013 09:36 opisska wrote: Surprising that some people talk about smoking indoors. E-ciggaretes are now banned here pretty much everywhere normaln ciggaretes are (meaning, you can't legally smoke it even on a bus stop). And you can't smoke it inside my doors as well. You can just see the vapor coming out of your mouth and nose, so it's very hard to convince anyone that it doesn't produce shit. Even though it doesn't have all the carcinogens of normal tobacco burning, there is still nicotine, not really a substance I would like to be inhaling. There's vapor coming from your tea kettle and from your own mouth when its cold out, clearly poison! Like I said (and like most sane people) I don't use it indoors unless I've been cleared by someone to use it there. I'm not going to go into someone's house or a restaurant and just start ripping because I have respect for the person's building. I won't even bring it up and ask them because I'm not an assbag who is going to put someone on the spot. But if they see me with it, recognize what it is and tell me it's cool of their own accord I'll go to town. Outside I'll use it anywhere I fucking please though. | ||
BreakfastBurrito
United States893 Posts
On November 23 2013 09:41 LaNague wrote: yes, i get very angry at people that think they can smoke anywhere just because the smoke is invisible. Its still poison. Not that this will change your mind, but By the standards of occupational hygiene, current data do not indicate that exposures to vapers from contaminants in electronic cigarettes warrant a concern. There are no known toxicological synergies among compounds in the aerosol, and mixture of the contaminants does not pose a risk to health. http://publichealth.drexel.edu/~/media/Files/publichealth/ms08.pdf | ||
Maindi
Finland104 Posts
On November 23 2013 08:57 jinorazi wrote: i switched to e-cig a few months ago, using 6mg level liquids and it wasnt hard moving away from normal cigarette at all. quitting-crave is there for a week or two but its much easier to manage when you're sucking on these ecigs. for those interested, i've done tone of research and for beginners the market is confusing as fuck. my recommended set up best bang for buck (~$35): battery: Joytech ego-c with pass through so you can charge and vape, 750mah+ to last all day. "clearomizer": Kanger Protank 2 (easy to replace coil, no leaks) you can also get attachment to smoke hash oil but i stopped because this is actually quiet a hassle compared to just packing a bowl. as for liquid, all the brands are same to me so get what flavor you like available on whatever brand. to me the most comparable thing would be smoking hookah, with good strong battery and good atomizer/clearomizer/attachment, you can get very good hits. Pretty good recommendations but I'd like to add a few things. Also grats on swithing to ecigs! For heavy smokers/chain vapers (myself included) 750mAh battery doesn't last all day so I'd advice getting a 1100mAh if you previously smoked alot (like a pack a day). Protanks are great but there are several other good and easy alternatives. I personally use the Aspire BDC when I'm on the go and it's a great little clearo. Really cheap and easy to use and produces great vapour and flavour. On the liquids.. I couldn't disagree more. There's a huge difference with different brands. After vaping chinese eliquids for a month or so I tried some made my a UK based small company and the difference is night and day. If you are happy with eliquds you have then great! But if some newbies try some Chinese brands/other shitty brands/liquids and don't get satisfied please don't give up on vaping and try some better quality liquids. Personally I've moved to DIY liquids. They are actually really easy to make, you have basically unlimited options on the flavour department and they are alot cheaper than buying liquids from vendors. | ||
Ghostcom
Denmark4776 Posts
On November 23 2013 12:17 BreakfastBurrito wrote: Show nested quote + On November 23 2013 09:41 LaNague wrote: yes, i get very angry at people that think they can smoke anywhere just because the smoke is invisible. Its still poison. Not that this will change your mind, but Show nested quote + By the standards of occupational hygiene, current data do not indicate that exposures to vapers from contaminants in electronic cigarettes warrant a concern. There are no known toxicological synergies among compounds in the aerosol, and mixture of the contaminants does not pose a risk to health. http://publichealth.drexel.edu/~/media/Files/publichealth/ms08.pdf I have taken the liberty of bolding the important part of your selected quote, because it seems like you were a little too quick on the trigger there. It is all fine and dandy that the contaminants do not appear toxic at the levels in the vapor, however that doesn't change the fact that the vapor in it's entirety is cause for concern. From the same paragraph as you quoted: However, aerosol generated during vaping on the whole, when considering the declared ingredients themselves, if it were treated in the same manner as an emission from industrial process, creates personal exposures that would justify surveillance of exposures and health among exposed persons. The authors of that article (which isn't published in a peer-reviewed journal and has some pretty relevant COI which you neglected to mention) subscribe to the notion that second-hand smoke shouldn't be an issue as the exposure is in orders of magnitude less than for the person using the e-cigarette - however I see no actual data to support this, and no matter how they try to avoid the nicotine exposure (they claim it voluntary to the user, and conveniently enough neglect it for the 2 lines they have assigned to talking about second-hand exposure). And even better, in the 2 lines about second-hand exposure they neglect to account for the fact that this second-hand exposure is still imposed on people without their consent which is morally a cause for concern. All in all - e-cigs are less harmful than traditional ones, but they still aren't comparable to fresh air - don't try and pass it off as such. EDIT: For the record: I couldn't care less about what you decide to inhale and not to inhale. I believe in people making informed choices and taking responsibilities for their own actions. Ultimately the choice is really yours, so vapor on | ||
marvellosity
United Kingdom35820 Posts
On November 23 2013 21:15 Ghostcom wrote: Show nested quote + On November 23 2013 12:17 BreakfastBurrito wrote: On November 23 2013 09:41 LaNague wrote: yes, i get very angry at people that think they can smoke anywhere just because the smoke is invisible. Its still poison. Not that this will change your mind, but By the standards of occupational hygiene, current data do not indicate that exposures to vapers from contaminants in electronic cigarettes warrant a concern. There are no known toxicological synergies among compounds in the aerosol, and mixture of the contaminants does not pose a risk to health. http://publichealth.drexel.edu/~/media/Files/publichealth/ms08.pdf I have taken the liberty of bolding the important part of your selected quote, because it seems like you were a little too quick on the trigger there. It is all fine and dandy that the contaminants do not appear toxic at the levels in the vapor, however that doesn't change the fact that the vapor in it's entirety is cause for concern. From the same paragraph as you quoted: Show nested quote + However, aerosol generated during vaping on the whole, when considering the declared ingredients themselves, if it were treated in the same manner as an emission from industrial process, creates personal exposures that would justify surveillance of exposures and health among exposed persons. The authors of that article (which isn't published in a peer-reviewed journal and has some pretty relevant COI which you neglected to mention) subscribe to the notion that second-hand smoke shouldn't be an issue as the exposure is in orders of magnitude less than for the person using the e-cigarette - however I see no actual data to support this, and no matter how they try to avoid the nicotine exposure (they claim it voluntary to the user, and conveniently enough neglect it for the 2 lines they have assigned to talking about second-hand exposure). And even better, in the 2 lines about second-hand exposure they neglect to account for the fact that this second-hand exposure is still imposed on people without their consent which is morally a cause for concern. All in all - e-cigs are less harmful than traditional ones, but they still aren't comparable to fresh air - don't try and pass it off as such. EDIT: For the record: I couldn't care less about what you decide to inhale and not to inhale. I believe in people making informed choices and taking responsibilities for their own actions. Ultimately the choice is really yours, so vapor on Do you even leave your house? lol. | ||
Ghostcom
Denmark4776 Posts
On November 23 2013 21:21 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On November 23 2013 21:15 Ghostcom wrote: On November 23 2013 12:17 BreakfastBurrito wrote: On November 23 2013 09:41 LaNague wrote: yes, i get very angry at people that think they can smoke anywhere just because the smoke is invisible. Its still poison. Not that this will change your mind, but By the standards of occupational hygiene, current data do not indicate that exposures to vapers from contaminants in electronic cigarettes warrant a concern. There are no known toxicological synergies among compounds in the aerosol, and mixture of the contaminants does not pose a risk to health. http://publichealth.drexel.edu/~/media/Files/publichealth/ms08.pdf I have taken the liberty of bolding the important part of your selected quote, because it seems like you were a little too quick on the trigger there. It is all fine and dandy that the contaminants do not appear toxic at the levels in the vapor, however that doesn't change the fact that the vapor in it's entirety is cause for concern. From the same paragraph as you quoted: However, aerosol generated during vaping on the whole, when considering the declared ingredients themselves, if it were treated in the same manner as an emission from industrial process, creates personal exposures that would justify surveillance of exposures and health among exposed persons. The authors of that article (which isn't published in a peer-reviewed journal and has some pretty relevant COI which you neglected to mention) subscribe to the notion that second-hand smoke shouldn't be an issue as the exposure is in orders of magnitude less than for the person using the e-cigarette - however I see no actual data to support this, and no matter how they try to avoid the nicotine exposure (they claim it voluntary to the user, and conveniently enough neglect it for the 2 lines they have assigned to talking about second-hand exposure). And even better, in the 2 lines about second-hand exposure they neglect to account for the fact that this second-hand exposure is still imposed on people without their consent which is morally a cause for concern. All in all - e-cigs are less harmful than traditional ones, but they still aren't comparable to fresh air - don't try and pass it off as such. EDIT: For the record: I couldn't care less about what you decide to inhale and not to inhale. I believe in people making informed choices and taking responsibilities for their own actions. Ultimately the choice is really yours, so vapor on Do you even leave your house? lol. Brilliant argument right there. lol. | ||
shaftofpleasure
Korea (North)1375 Posts
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Kickboxer
Slovenia1308 Posts
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Wegandi
United States2455 Posts
On November 23 2013 21:29 shaftofpleasure wrote: try smearing that fluid on any painted surfaces and see if it causes a reaction .. if it does, think about it. What does this have to do with anything? Water is one of the best solvents known, yet are you going to argue it is highly dangerous because of its chemical properties? There are also very toxic substances you don't want to ingest or inhale that have no reaction, but in your view they'd be just ok? Ok then.... | ||
Incomplet
United Kingdom1419 Posts
Save lots of $$$ Doesnt smell so gf loves it Feels healthier Not illegal indoors in the UK Can get away smoking in places i normally cant. ie: can use toilet breaks at work to sneak a few drags in the cubicles or on the bus. Did i mention saves a shit load of cash?? | ||
shaftofpleasure
Korea (North)1375 Posts
On November 23 2013 21:43 Wegandi wrote: Show nested quote + On November 23 2013 21:29 shaftofpleasure wrote: try smearing that fluid on any painted surfaces and see if it causes a reaction .. if it does, think about it. What does this have to do with anything? Water is one of the best solvents known, yet are you going to argue it is highly dangerous because of its chemical properties? There are also very toxic substances you don't want to ingest or inhale that have no reaction, but in your view they'd be just ok? Ok then.... just a thought to ponder about .. dude I smoke cigarettes, but trading a poison for another more expensive poison and call it 'healthy' or 'healthier' is bullshit .. | ||
wollhandkrabbe
Germany97 Posts
Current research suggests e-cigarettes are less unhealthy than regular tobacco, but still quite unhealthy. | ||
Maindi
Finland104 Posts
On November 23 2013 22:51 shaftofpleasure wrote: Show nested quote + On November 23 2013 21:43 Wegandi wrote: On November 23 2013 21:29 shaftofpleasure wrote: try smearing that fluid on any painted surfaces and see if it causes a reaction .. if it does, think about it. What does this have to do with anything? Water is one of the best solvents known, yet are you going to argue it is highly dangerous because of its chemical properties? There are also very toxic substances you don't want to ingest or inhale that have no reaction, but in your view they'd be just ok? Ok then.... just a thought to ponder about .. dude I smoke cigarettes, but trading a poison for another more expensive poison and call it 'healthy' or 'healthier' is bullshit .. First of all it's not more expensive. Second, what do you mean it's bullshit to call it healthier? It doesn't have the tar and other stuff that really fuck up your lungs. I can tell from my own experience that I feel alot healthier and after switching to e-cigs. I can breathe easier and actually taste and smell things. Sure, e-cigs aren't 100% healthy for you; some studies have showed that the vapor does include toxic substances but at like 1:10 ratio compared to analog cigarettes and we don't have proper studies that show the long term effects of using them. On November 23 2013 22:55 wollhandkrabbe wrote: Just to clear this up: People seem to assume the liquid you smoke is just water + nicotine + flavour. It is not, its comprised mostly of propylene glycol and glycerine, which are both safe to ingest, but also produce a small amount of carcinogens when burned. Current research suggests e-cigarettes are less unhealthy than regular tobacco, but still quite unhealthy. From the research that I've read PG is actually rather safe to inhale. For example it is used in asthma inhalers. | ||
shaftofpleasure
Korea (North)1375 Posts
On November 23 2013 23:25 Maindi wrote: Show nested quote + On November 23 2013 22:51 shaftofpleasure wrote: On November 23 2013 21:43 Wegandi wrote: On November 23 2013 21:29 shaftofpleasure wrote: try smearing that fluid on any painted surfaces and see if it causes a reaction .. if it does, think about it. What does this have to do with anything? Water is one of the best solvents known, yet are you going to argue it is highly dangerous because of its chemical properties? There are also very toxic substances you don't want to ingest or inhale that have no reaction, but in your view they'd be just ok? Ok then.... just a thought to ponder about .. dude I smoke cigarettes, but trading a poison for another more expensive poison and call it 'healthy' or 'healthier' is bullshit .. First of all it's not more expensive. Second, what do you mean it's bullshit to call it healthier? It doesn't have the tar and other stuff that really fuck up your lungs. I can tell from my own experience that I feel alot healthier and after switching to e-cigs. I can breathe easier and actually taste and smell things. Sure, e-cigs aren't 100% healthy for you; some studies have showed that the vapor does include toxic substances but at like 1:10 ratio compared to analog cigarettes and we don't have proper studies that show the long term effects of using them. Because it's not 'healthier'. You want to be 'healthier'? stop puffing smoke. Remember that time when doctors were telling people that smoking tobacco was good? was beneficial? And how smoking weed is medicinal? No those are not healthy alternatives. Inhaling smoke is not healthy. Masking e-cigs as 'healthier' for you is bullshit. | ||
Maindi
Finland104 Posts
On November 23 2013 23:45 shaftofpleasure wrote: Show nested quote + On November 23 2013 23:25 Maindi wrote: On November 23 2013 22:51 shaftofpleasure wrote: On November 23 2013 21:43 Wegandi wrote: On November 23 2013 21:29 shaftofpleasure wrote: try smearing that fluid on any painted surfaces and see if it causes a reaction .. if it does, think about it. What does this have to do with anything? Water is one of the best solvents known, yet are you going to argue it is highly dangerous because of its chemical properties? There are also very toxic substances you don't want to ingest or inhale that have no reaction, but in your view they'd be just ok? Ok then.... just a thought to ponder about .. dude I smoke cigarettes, but trading a poison for another more expensive poison and call it 'healthy' or 'healthier' is bullshit .. First of all it's not more expensive. Second, what do you mean it's bullshit to call it healthier? It doesn't have the tar and other stuff that really fuck up your lungs. I can tell from my own experience that I feel alot healthier and after switching to e-cigs. I can breathe easier and actually taste and smell things. Sure, e-cigs aren't 100% healthy for you; some studies have showed that the vapor does include toxic substances but at like 1:10 ratio compared to analog cigarettes and we don't have proper studies that show the long term effects of using them. Because it's not 'healthier'. You want to be 'healthier'? stop puffing smoke. Remember that time when doctors were telling people that smoking tobacco was good? was beneficial? And how smoking weed is medicinal? No those are not healthy alternatives. Inhaling smoke is not healthy. Masking e-cigs as 'healthier' for you is bullshit. You have a really weird definition of healthier. If you compare two products which have some harmful effects on you but the latter one has less of them you wouldn't call it the healthier option? If you go to a restaurant and there are two options: a pepperoni pizza and a pasta dish, you wouldn't call the pasta healthier even if it had less fat, sodium and all the other bad stuff? | ||
shaftofpleasure
Korea (North)1375 Posts
On November 24 2013 00:04 Maindi wrote: Show nested quote + On November 23 2013 23:45 shaftofpleasure wrote: On November 23 2013 23:25 Maindi wrote: On November 23 2013 22:51 shaftofpleasure wrote: On November 23 2013 21:43 Wegandi wrote: On November 23 2013 21:29 shaftofpleasure wrote: try smearing that fluid on any painted surfaces and see if it causes a reaction .. if it does, think about it. What does this have to do with anything? Water is one of the best solvents known, yet are you going to argue it is highly dangerous because of its chemical properties? There are also very toxic substances you don't want to ingest or inhale that have no reaction, but in your view they'd be just ok? Ok then.... just a thought to ponder about .. dude I smoke cigarettes, but trading a poison for another more expensive poison and call it 'healthy' or 'healthier' is bullshit .. First of all it's not more expensive. Second, what do you mean it's bullshit to call it healthier? It doesn't have the tar and other stuff that really fuck up your lungs. I can tell from my own experience that I feel alot healthier and after switching to e-cigs. I can breathe easier and actually taste and smell things. Sure, e-cigs aren't 100% healthy for you; some studies have showed that the vapor does include toxic substances but at like 1:10 ratio compared to analog cigarettes and we don't have proper studies that show the long term effects of using them. Because it's not 'healthier'. You want to be 'healthier'? stop puffing smoke. Remember that time when doctors were telling people that smoking tobacco was good? was beneficial? And how smoking weed is medicinal? No those are not healthy alternatives. Inhaling smoke is not healthy. Masking e-cigs as 'healthier' for you is bullshit. You have a really weird definition of healthier. If you compare two products which have some harmful effects on you but the latter one has less of them you wouldn't call it the healthier option? If you go to a restaurant and there are two options: a pepperoni pizza and a veggy dish, you wouldn't call the veggy dish healthier? You are basing this on the fact that you tried it and assessed what you feel about it rather than actual health experts tell what the real deal is. It may make you feel better but that doesn't always mean it is healthier. and that, from what I see, is the problem. | ||
hariooo
Canada2830 Posts
On November 24 2013 00:07 shaftofpleasure wrote: Show nested quote + On November 24 2013 00:04 Maindi wrote: On November 23 2013 23:45 shaftofpleasure wrote: On November 23 2013 23:25 Maindi wrote: On November 23 2013 22:51 shaftofpleasure wrote: On November 23 2013 21:43 Wegandi wrote: On November 23 2013 21:29 shaftofpleasure wrote: try smearing that fluid on any painted surfaces and see if it causes a reaction .. if it does, think about it. What does this have to do with anything? Water is one of the best solvents known, yet are you going to argue it is highly dangerous because of its chemical properties? There are also very toxic substances you don't want to ingest or inhale that have no reaction, but in your view they'd be just ok? Ok then.... just a thought to ponder about .. dude I smoke cigarettes, but trading a poison for another more expensive poison and call it 'healthy' or 'healthier' is bullshit .. First of all it's not more expensive. Second, what do you mean it's bullshit to call it healthier? It doesn't have the tar and other stuff that really fuck up your lungs. I can tell from my own experience that I feel alot healthier and after switching to e-cigs. I can breathe easier and actually taste and smell things. Sure, e-cigs aren't 100% healthy for you; some studies have showed that the vapor does include toxic substances but at like 1:10 ratio compared to analog cigarettes and we don't have proper studies that show the long term effects of using them. Because it's not 'healthier'. You want to be 'healthier'? stop puffing smoke. Remember that time when doctors were telling people that smoking tobacco was good? was beneficial? And how smoking weed is medicinal? No those are not healthy alternatives. Inhaling smoke is not healthy. Masking e-cigs as 'healthier' for you is bullshit. You have a really weird definition of healthier. If you compare two products which have some harmful effects on you but the latter one has less of them you wouldn't call it the healthier option? If you go to a restaurant and there are two options: a pepperoni pizza and a veggy dish, you wouldn't call the veggy dish healthier? You are basing this on the fact that you tried it and assessed what you feel about it rather than actual health experts tell what the real deal is. It may make you feel better but that doesn't always mean it is healthier. and that, from what I see, is the problem. Have you not studied the comparative/superlative topic in your English class yet? | ||
Maindi
Finland104 Posts
On November 24 2013 00:07 shaftofpleasure wrote: Show nested quote + On November 24 2013 00:04 Maindi wrote: On November 23 2013 23:45 shaftofpleasure wrote: On November 23 2013 23:25 Maindi wrote: On November 23 2013 22:51 shaftofpleasure wrote: On November 23 2013 21:43 Wegandi wrote: On November 23 2013 21:29 shaftofpleasure wrote: try smearing that fluid on any painted surfaces and see if it causes a reaction .. if it does, think about it. What does this have to do with anything? Water is one of the best solvents known, yet are you going to argue it is highly dangerous because of its chemical properties? There are also very toxic substances you don't want to ingest or inhale that have no reaction, but in your view they'd be just ok? Ok then.... just a thought to ponder about .. dude I smoke cigarettes, but trading a poison for another more expensive poison and call it 'healthy' or 'healthier' is bullshit .. First of all it's not more expensive. Second, what do you mean it's bullshit to call it healthier? It doesn't have the tar and other stuff that really fuck up your lungs. I can tell from my own experience that I feel alot healthier and after switching to e-cigs. I can breathe easier and actually taste and smell things. Sure, e-cigs aren't 100% healthy for you; some studies have showed that the vapor does include toxic substances but at like 1:10 ratio compared to analog cigarettes and we don't have proper studies that show the long term effects of using them. Because it's not 'healthier'. You want to be 'healthier'? stop puffing smoke. Remember that time when doctors were telling people that smoking tobacco was good? was beneficial? And how smoking weed is medicinal? No those are not healthy alternatives. Inhaling smoke is not healthy. Masking e-cigs as 'healthier' for you is bullshit. You have a really weird definition of healthier. If you compare two products which have some harmful effects on you but the latter one has less of them you wouldn't call it the healthier option? If you go to a restaurant and there are two options: a pepperoni pizza and a veggy dish, you wouldn't call the veggy dish healthier? You are basing this on the fact that you tried it and assessed what you feel about it rather than actual health experts tell what the real deal is. It may make you feel better but that doesn't always mean it is healthier. and that, from what I see, is the problem. What you say is completely false. Studies show that ecigs do have less of the bad stuff that analog cigarettes have. So I'm not just basing on my views on my personal experiences. | ||
Ghostcom
Denmark4776 Posts
On November 24 2013 00:07 shaftofpleasure wrote: Show nested quote + On November 24 2013 00:04 Maindi wrote: On November 23 2013 23:45 shaftofpleasure wrote: On November 23 2013 23:25 Maindi wrote: On November 23 2013 22:51 shaftofpleasure wrote: On November 23 2013 21:43 Wegandi wrote: On November 23 2013 21:29 shaftofpleasure wrote: try smearing that fluid on any painted surfaces and see if it causes a reaction .. if it does, think about it. What does this have to do with anything? Water is one of the best solvents known, yet are you going to argue it is highly dangerous because of its chemical properties? There are also very toxic substances you don't want to ingest or inhale that have no reaction, but in your view they'd be just ok? Ok then.... just a thought to ponder about .. dude I smoke cigarettes, but trading a poison for another more expensive poison and call it 'healthy' or 'healthier' is bullshit .. First of all it's not more expensive. Second, what do you mean it's bullshit to call it healthier? It doesn't have the tar and other stuff that really fuck up your lungs. I can tell from my own experience that I feel alot healthier and after switching to e-cigs. I can breathe easier and actually taste and smell things. Sure, e-cigs aren't 100% healthy for you; some studies have showed that the vapor does include toxic substances but at like 1:10 ratio compared to analog cigarettes and we don't have proper studies that show the long term effects of using them. Because it's not 'healthier'. You want to be 'healthier'? stop puffing smoke. Remember that time when doctors were telling people that smoking tobacco was good? was beneficial? And how smoking weed is medicinal? No those are not healthy alternatives. Inhaling smoke is not healthy. Masking e-cigs as 'healthier' for you is bullshit. You have a really weird definition of healthier. If you compare two products which have some harmful effects on you but the latter one has less of them you wouldn't call it the healthier option? If you go to a restaurant and there are two options: a pepperoni pizza and a veggy dish, you wouldn't call the veggy dish healthier? You are basing this on the fact that you tried it and assessed what you feel about it rather than actual health experts tell what the real deal is. It may make you feel better but that doesn't always mean it is healthier. and that, from what I see, is the problem. No, every health expert out there currently agrees that by virtue of there being no tar, e-cigs are healthier than traditional cigarettes. Neither are actually healthy and we have little clue about the long-term effects of e-cigs. | ||
marvellosity
United Kingdom35820 Posts
On November 23 2013 22:55 wollhandkrabbe wrote: Just to clear this up: People seem to assume the liquid you smoke is just water + nicotine + flavour. It is not, its comprised mostly of propylene glycol and glycerine, which are both safe to ingest, but also produce a small amount of carcinogens when burned. Current research suggests e-cigarettes are less unhealthy than regular tobacco, but still quite unhealthy. Source? Because I read around this quite a bit recently and what you're saying is not the case as far as I'm aware. edit: that was re: carcinogens + unhealthy claim. | ||
marvellosity
United Kingdom35820 Posts
On November 24 2013 00:17 Ghostcom wrote: Show nested quote + On November 24 2013 00:07 shaftofpleasure wrote: On November 24 2013 00:04 Maindi wrote: On November 23 2013 23:45 shaftofpleasure wrote: On November 23 2013 23:25 Maindi wrote: On November 23 2013 22:51 shaftofpleasure wrote: On November 23 2013 21:43 Wegandi wrote: On November 23 2013 21:29 shaftofpleasure wrote: try smearing that fluid on any painted surfaces and see if it causes a reaction .. if it does, think about it. What does this have to do with anything? Water is one of the best solvents known, yet are you going to argue it is highly dangerous because of its chemical properties? There are also very toxic substances you don't want to ingest or inhale that have no reaction, but in your view they'd be just ok? Ok then.... just a thought to ponder about .. dude I smoke cigarettes, but trading a poison for another more expensive poison and call it 'healthy' or 'healthier' is bullshit .. First of all it's not more expensive. Second, what do you mean it's bullshit to call it healthier? It doesn't have the tar and other stuff that really fuck up your lungs. I can tell from my own experience that I feel alot healthier and after switching to e-cigs. I can breathe easier and actually taste and smell things. Sure, e-cigs aren't 100% healthy for you; some studies have showed that the vapor does include toxic substances but at like 1:10 ratio compared to analog cigarettes and we don't have proper studies that show the long term effects of using them. Because it's not 'healthier'. You want to be 'healthier'? stop puffing smoke. Remember that time when doctors were telling people that smoking tobacco was good? was beneficial? And how smoking weed is medicinal? No those are not healthy alternatives. Inhaling smoke is not healthy. Masking e-cigs as 'healthier' for you is bullshit. You have a really weird definition of healthier. If you compare two products which have some harmful effects on you but the latter one has less of them you wouldn't call it the healthier option? If you go to a restaurant and there are two options: a pepperoni pizza and a veggy dish, you wouldn't call the veggy dish healthier? You are basing this on the fact that you tried it and assessed what you feel about it rather than actual health experts tell what the real deal is. It may make you feel better but that doesn't always mean it is healthier. and that, from what I see, is the problem. No, every health expert out there currently agrees that by virtue of there being no tar, e-cigs are healthier than traditional cigarettes. Neither are actually healthy and we have little clue about the long-term effects of e-cigs. Obviously this is going to be the case for something that hasn't been used long-term. But I've seen little to no evidence of why they should cause any damage. | ||
marvellosity
United Kingdom35820 Posts
On November 24 2013 00:07 shaftofpleasure wrote: Show nested quote + On November 24 2013 00:04 Maindi wrote: On November 23 2013 23:45 shaftofpleasure wrote: On November 23 2013 23:25 Maindi wrote: On November 23 2013 22:51 shaftofpleasure wrote: On November 23 2013 21:43 Wegandi wrote: On November 23 2013 21:29 shaftofpleasure wrote: try smearing that fluid on any painted surfaces and see if it causes a reaction .. if it does, think about it. What does this have to do with anything? Water is one of the best solvents known, yet are you going to argue it is highly dangerous because of its chemical properties? There are also very toxic substances you don't want to ingest or inhale that have no reaction, but in your view they'd be just ok? Ok then.... just a thought to ponder about .. dude I smoke cigarettes, but trading a poison for another more expensive poison and call it 'healthy' or 'healthier' is bullshit .. First of all it's not more expensive. Second, what do you mean it's bullshit to call it healthier? It doesn't have the tar and other stuff that really fuck up your lungs. I can tell from my own experience that I feel alot healthier and after switching to e-cigs. I can breathe easier and actually taste and smell things. Sure, e-cigs aren't 100% healthy for you; some studies have showed that the vapor does include toxic substances but at like 1:10 ratio compared to analog cigarettes and we don't have proper studies that show the long term effects of using them. Because it's not 'healthier'. You want to be 'healthier'? stop puffing smoke. Remember that time when doctors were telling people that smoking tobacco was good? was beneficial? And how smoking weed is medicinal? No those are not healthy alternatives. Inhaling smoke is not healthy. Masking e-cigs as 'healthier' for you is bullshit. You have a really weird definition of healthier. If you compare two products which have some harmful effects on you but the latter one has less of them you wouldn't call it the healthier option? If you go to a restaurant and there are two options: a pepperoni pizza and a veggy dish, you wouldn't call the veggy dish healthier? You are basing this on the fact that you tried it and assessed what you feel about it rather than actual health experts tell what the real deal is. It may make you feel better but that doesn't always mean it is healthier. and that, from what I see, is the problem. It's abundantly clear that you actually know nothing on the subject, so I don't know why you're even posting to be honest. | ||
Artunit
Philippines398 Posts
On August 30 2013 01:23 teer wrote: to all those still needing have a regular smoke, get one bottle of higher nic juice for those times. Keep one carto/clearo/tank whatever filled with the high nic juice and use it when you need that extra bump. Also different flavors and different levels of vg/pg have harsher throat hits than others. Same thing here man I totally feel you. | ||
Ghostcom
Denmark4776 Posts
On November 24 2013 00:24 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On November 24 2013 00:17 Ghostcom wrote: On November 24 2013 00:07 shaftofpleasure wrote: On November 24 2013 00:04 Maindi wrote: On November 23 2013 23:45 shaftofpleasure wrote: On November 23 2013 23:25 Maindi wrote: On November 23 2013 22:51 shaftofpleasure wrote: On November 23 2013 21:43 Wegandi wrote: On November 23 2013 21:29 shaftofpleasure wrote: try smearing that fluid on any painted surfaces and see if it causes a reaction .. if it does, think about it. What does this have to do with anything? Water is one of the best solvents known, yet are you going to argue it is highly dangerous because of its chemical properties? There are also very toxic substances you don't want to ingest or inhale that have no reaction, but in your view they'd be just ok? Ok then.... just a thought to ponder about .. dude I smoke cigarettes, but trading a poison for another more expensive poison and call it 'healthy' or 'healthier' is bullshit .. First of all it's not more expensive. Second, what do you mean it's bullshit to call it healthier? It doesn't have the tar and other stuff that really fuck up your lungs. I can tell from my own experience that I feel alot healthier and after switching to e-cigs. I can breathe easier and actually taste and smell things. Sure, e-cigs aren't 100% healthy for you; some studies have showed that the vapor does include toxic substances but at like 1:10 ratio compared to analog cigarettes and we don't have proper studies that show the long term effects of using them. Because it's not 'healthier'. You want to be 'healthier'? stop puffing smoke. Remember that time when doctors were telling people that smoking tobacco was good? was beneficial? And how smoking weed is medicinal? No those are not healthy alternatives. Inhaling smoke is not healthy. Masking e-cigs as 'healthier' for you is bullshit. You have a really weird definition of healthier. If you compare two products which have some harmful effects on you but the latter one has less of them you wouldn't call it the healthier option? If you go to a restaurant and there are two options: a pepperoni pizza and a veggy dish, you wouldn't call the veggy dish healthier? You are basing this on the fact that you tried it and assessed what you feel about it rather than actual health experts tell what the real deal is. It may make you feel better but that doesn't always mean it is healthier. and that, from what I see, is the problem. No, every health expert out there currently agrees that by virtue of there being no tar, e-cigs are healthier than traditional cigarettes. Neither are actually healthy and we have little clue about the long-term effects of e-cigs. Obviously this is going to be the case for something that hasn't been used long-term. But I've seen little to no evidence of why they should cause any damage. Literally first 2 hits on google: Expert Q&A with the CDC: http://www.webmd.com/smoking-cessation/news/20131112/e-cigarettes-cdc?page=2 Study showing nicotine to be associated with insulin resistance and hyperinsulinemia: http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/94/5/878.full | ||
Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
On January 04 2010 08:08 esla_sol wrote: i tried blucigs for a few weeks. really hurt my throat, and i found myself constantly smoking them. relieves some of the tension but i still wanted to smoke normal cigs, which i ended up doing. they give a refund up to 30 days that i didnt have any major issues with, but it is a hassle. Blue Cigs are the worst type of E-Cig. People, dont paint all e-cigs the same because there is a wide variety out there. And some are just so mighty fanfucktastic. I dont even smoke or do e-cigs but trying one was wicked. | ||
marvellosity
United Kingdom35820 Posts
On November 24 2013 00:36 Ghostcom wrote: Show nested quote + On November 24 2013 00:24 marvellosity wrote: On November 24 2013 00:17 Ghostcom wrote: On November 24 2013 00:07 shaftofpleasure wrote: On November 24 2013 00:04 Maindi wrote: On November 23 2013 23:45 shaftofpleasure wrote: On November 23 2013 23:25 Maindi wrote: On November 23 2013 22:51 shaftofpleasure wrote: On November 23 2013 21:43 Wegandi wrote: On November 23 2013 21:29 shaftofpleasure wrote: try smearing that fluid on any painted surfaces and see if it causes a reaction .. if it does, think about it. What does this have to do with anything? Water is one of the best solvents known, yet are you going to argue it is highly dangerous because of its chemical properties? There are also very toxic substances you don't want to ingest or inhale that have no reaction, but in your view they'd be just ok? Ok then.... just a thought to ponder about .. dude I smoke cigarettes, but trading a poison for another more expensive poison and call it 'healthy' or 'healthier' is bullshit .. First of all it's not more expensive. Second, what do you mean it's bullshit to call it healthier? It doesn't have the tar and other stuff that really fuck up your lungs. I can tell from my own experience that I feel alot healthier and after switching to e-cigs. I can breathe easier and actually taste and smell things. Sure, e-cigs aren't 100% healthy for you; some studies have showed that the vapor does include toxic substances but at like 1:10 ratio compared to analog cigarettes and we don't have proper studies that show the long term effects of using them. Because it's not 'healthier'. You want to be 'healthier'? stop puffing smoke. Remember that time when doctors were telling people that smoking tobacco was good? was beneficial? And how smoking weed is medicinal? No those are not healthy alternatives. Inhaling smoke is not healthy. Masking e-cigs as 'healthier' for you is bullshit. You have a really weird definition of healthier. If you compare two products which have some harmful effects on you but the latter one has less of them you wouldn't call it the healthier option? If you go to a restaurant and there are two options: a pepperoni pizza and a veggy dish, you wouldn't call the veggy dish healthier? You are basing this on the fact that you tried it and assessed what you feel about it rather than actual health experts tell what the real deal is. It may make you feel better but that doesn't always mean it is healthier. and that, from what I see, is the problem. No, every health expert out there currently agrees that by virtue of there being no tar, e-cigs are healthier than traditional cigarettes. Neither are actually healthy and we have little clue about the long-term effects of e-cigs. Obviously this is going to be the case for something that hasn't been used long-term. But I've seen little to no evidence of why they should cause any damage. Literally first 2 hits on google: Expert Q&A with the CDC: http://www.webmd.com/smoking-cessation/news/20131112/e-cigarettes-cdc?page=2 Study showing nicotine to be associated with insulin resistance and hyperinsulinemia: http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/94/5/878.full So from the first link we have: some e-cigs have small levels of carcinogens, some don't (mostly don't anymore, for their own commercial survivability) Nicotine affects the fetus and adolescent brain and... that's it. Nothing in the CDC Q&A suggests why there should be longterm damage outside of these extremely narrow parameters (unnecessarily dangerous e-cigs, fetus/adolescent brain). | ||
Ghostcom
Denmark4776 Posts
On November 24 2013 00:50 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On November 24 2013 00:36 Ghostcom wrote: On November 24 2013 00:24 marvellosity wrote: On November 24 2013 00:17 Ghostcom wrote: On November 24 2013 00:07 shaftofpleasure wrote: On November 24 2013 00:04 Maindi wrote: On November 23 2013 23:45 shaftofpleasure wrote: On November 23 2013 23:25 Maindi wrote: On November 23 2013 22:51 shaftofpleasure wrote: On November 23 2013 21:43 Wegandi wrote: [quote] What does this have to do with anything? Water is one of the best solvents known, yet are you going to argue it is highly dangerous because of its chemical properties? There are also very toxic substances you don't want to ingest or inhale that have no reaction, but in your view they'd be just ok? Ok then.... just a thought to ponder about .. dude I smoke cigarettes, but trading a poison for another more expensive poison and call it 'healthy' or 'healthier' is bullshit .. First of all it's not more expensive. Second, what do you mean it's bullshit to call it healthier? It doesn't have the tar and other stuff that really fuck up your lungs. I can tell from my own experience that I feel alot healthier and after switching to e-cigs. I can breathe easier and actually taste and smell things. Sure, e-cigs aren't 100% healthy for you; some studies have showed that the vapor does include toxic substances but at like 1:10 ratio compared to analog cigarettes and we don't have proper studies that show the long term effects of using them. Because it's not 'healthier'. You want to be 'healthier'? stop puffing smoke. Remember that time when doctors were telling people that smoking tobacco was good? was beneficial? And how smoking weed is medicinal? No those are not healthy alternatives. Inhaling smoke is not healthy. Masking e-cigs as 'healthier' for you is bullshit. You have a really weird definition of healthier. If you compare two products which have some harmful effects on you but the latter one has less of them you wouldn't call it the healthier option? If you go to a restaurant and there are two options: a pepperoni pizza and a veggy dish, you wouldn't call the veggy dish healthier? You are basing this on the fact that you tried it and assessed what you feel about it rather than actual health experts tell what the real deal is. It may make you feel better but that doesn't always mean it is healthier. and that, from what I see, is the problem. No, every health expert out there currently agrees that by virtue of there being no tar, e-cigs are healthier than traditional cigarettes. Neither are actually healthy and we have little clue about the long-term effects of e-cigs. Obviously this is going to be the case for something that hasn't been used long-term. But I've seen little to no evidence of why they should cause any damage. Literally first 2 hits on google: Expert Q&A with the CDC: http://www.webmd.com/smoking-cessation/news/20131112/e-cigarettes-cdc?page=2 Study showing nicotine to be associated with insulin resistance and hyperinsulinemia: http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/94/5/878.full So from the first link we have: some e-cigs have small levels of carcinogens, some don't (mostly don't anymore, for their own commercial survivability) Nicotine affects the fetus and adolescent brain and... that's it. Nothing in the CDC Q&A suggests why there should be longterm damage outside of these extremely narrow parameters (unnecessarily dangerous e-cigs, fetus/adolescent brain). Yes, I chose to respond to 2 of your 3 consecutive posts in one - I know it is a revolutionizing concept, but I'm sure if we all pull together we can manage. Considering how the e-cig market isn't currently regulated on the same level as tobacco I wouldn't call it "extremely narrow parameters" as the consumer really has zero way of telling which contains these carcinogens. | ||
marvellosity
United Kingdom35820 Posts
I'd be all in favour of greater testing so that with whatever you buy you know exactly what you're getting. | ||
Maindi
Finland104 Posts
On November 24 2013 00:53 Ghostcom wrote: Show nested quote + On November 24 2013 00:50 marvellosity wrote: On November 24 2013 00:36 Ghostcom wrote: On November 24 2013 00:24 marvellosity wrote: On November 24 2013 00:17 Ghostcom wrote: On November 24 2013 00:07 shaftofpleasure wrote: On November 24 2013 00:04 Maindi wrote: On November 23 2013 23:45 shaftofpleasure wrote: On November 23 2013 23:25 Maindi wrote: On November 23 2013 22:51 shaftofpleasure wrote: [quote] just a thought to ponder about .. dude I smoke cigarettes, but trading a poison for another more expensive poison and call it 'healthy' or 'healthier' is bullshit .. First of all it's not more expensive. Second, what do you mean it's bullshit to call it healthier? It doesn't have the tar and other stuff that really fuck up your lungs. I can tell from my own experience that I feel alot healthier and after switching to e-cigs. I can breathe easier and actually taste and smell things. Sure, e-cigs aren't 100% healthy for you; some studies have showed that the vapor does include toxic substances but at like 1:10 ratio compared to analog cigarettes and we don't have proper studies that show the long term effects of using them. Because it's not 'healthier'. You want to be 'healthier'? stop puffing smoke. Remember that time when doctors were telling people that smoking tobacco was good? was beneficial? And how smoking weed is medicinal? No those are not healthy alternatives. Inhaling smoke is not healthy. Masking e-cigs as 'healthier' for you is bullshit. You have a really weird definition of healthier. If you compare two products which have some harmful effects on you but the latter one has less of them you wouldn't call it the healthier option? If you go to a restaurant and there are two options: a pepperoni pizza and a veggy dish, you wouldn't call the veggy dish healthier? You are basing this on the fact that you tried it and assessed what you feel about it rather than actual health experts tell what the real deal is. It may make you feel better but that doesn't always mean it is healthier. and that, from what I see, is the problem. No, every health expert out there currently agrees that by virtue of there being no tar, e-cigs are healthier than traditional cigarettes. Neither are actually healthy and we have little clue about the long-term effects of e-cigs. Obviously this is going to be the case for something that hasn't been used long-term. But I've seen little to no evidence of why they should cause any damage. Literally first 2 hits on google: Expert Q&A with the CDC: http://www.webmd.com/smoking-cessation/news/20131112/e-cigarettes-cdc?page=2 Study showing nicotine to be associated with insulin resistance and hyperinsulinemia: http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/94/5/878.full So from the first link we have: some e-cigs have small levels of carcinogens, some don't (mostly don't anymore, for their own commercial survivability) Nicotine affects the fetus and adolescent brain and... that's it. Nothing in the CDC Q&A suggests why there should be longterm damage outside of these extremely narrow parameters (unnecessarily dangerous e-cigs, fetus/adolescent brain). Yes, I chose to respond to 2 of your 3 consecutive posts in one - I know it is a revolutionizing concept, but I'm sure if we all pull together we can manage. Considering how the e-cig market isn't currently regulated on the same level as tobacco I wouldn't call it "extremely narrow parameters" as the consumer really has zero way of telling which contains these carcinogens. Except that some vendors do actually test their products in labs. And there's also this thing. Even if some liquids contain carcinogens doesn't mean that all ecigs are bad and have carcinogens, only the bad ones do. | ||
SixStrings
Germany2046 Posts
Mine should arrive on Tuesday and I can't wait to use it. | ||
Ghostcom
Denmark4776 Posts
On November 24 2013 00:55 marvellosity wrote: But the issue itself is with sub-par e-cigarettes, not e-cigarettes which, when made properly, do not contain carcinogens - which is kinda the point. I'd be all in favour of greater testing so that with whatever you buy you know exactly what you're getting. Notice how we went from "e-cigs do not contain carcinogens" to "only sub-par e-cigs contain carcinogens". That was kinda the entire point - which is made stronger by the fact that you really have zero idea of which e-cig you have gotten your hands on. Glad we can agree on the need for better regulation. You still have to take a glance at the second link concerning long-term effects of nicotine - you know that compound which is the entire reason for smoking in the first place (which is actually also hinted at in the CDC Q&A). EDIT: My point is: It is wrong to declare e-cigs safe and healthy. Nicotine itself has the potential to be unhealthy, so no matter what else you combine it with and how you ingest it, before we are able to look longitudinally at Nicotine it is premature to declare something containing Nicotine for safe - which you are currently trying to pass it off as. | ||
marvellosity
United Kingdom35820 Posts
We didn't "go" from one point to another, a defective product (and unnecessarily including carcinogens IS defective) is not indicative of a product in general. You can declare anything as unhealthy - back to my original "do you leave the house?" comment - there is no real evidence that the dangers are greater than with almost any activity, such as going outside where cars + their fumes exist. Of course inhaling about anything is going to be less "healthy and safe" than inhaling plain air. But the relative risks? Meh. When I see something more persuasive than "we don't know the longterm risks because it's not longterm yet" or "it hurts babies and teenagers" or "there is some sort of correlation with insulin even though we don't actually know the lifestyle habits of the people we're experimenting on" then I'll start conceding some ground on how UNhealthy they are. | ||
Ghostcom
Denmark4776 Posts
On November 24 2013 01:39 marvellosity wrote: I consider kettles safe; if a manufacturer for some reason unnecessarily put asbestos in a kettle, it would be unsafe. However, this does not affect my view that kettles are, in general, safe. We didn't "go" from one point to another, a defective product (and unnecessarily including carcinogens IS defective) is not indicative of a product in general. You can declare anything as unhealthy - back to my original "do you leave the house?" comment - there is no real evidence that the dangers are greater than with almost any activity, such as going outside where cars + their fumes exist. Of course inhaling about anything is going to be less "healthy and safe" than inhaling plain air. But the relative risks? Meh. When I see something more persuasive than "we don't know the longterm risks because it's not longterm yet" or "it hurts babies and teenagers" or "there is some sort of correlation with insulin even though we don't actually know the lifestyle habits of the people we're experimenting on" then I'll start conceding some ground on how UNhealthy they are. I think you and I best stop here... | ||
marvellosity
United Kingdom35820 Posts
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Agathon
France1505 Posts
I'm not stinky anymore, and don't spit my psalmons any time I run for 10 meters, I rediscovered my lovely fench baguette's taste, and I spend 6 € a week instead of 64... It's all good for me. The change was not easy but I smoked only 3 cigarettes last 2 months (empty batteries during a party). In january a french law will forbid to smoke in public areas and work but it's not a big deal for me. After years and years of going out to smoke, whatever the weather, I'm just used to it. For those who are thinking about reducing or stopping cigarettes, I think it's a very good thing. It's healthier, cheaper and quite pleasant. | ||
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom35820 Posts
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BreakfastBurrito
United States893 Posts
On November 23 2013 21:15 Ghostcom wrote: Show nested quote + On November 23 2013 12:17 BreakfastBurrito wrote: On November 23 2013 09:41 LaNague wrote: yes, i get very angry at people that think they can smoke anywhere just because the smoke is invisible. Its still poison. Not that this will change your mind, but By the standards of occupational hygiene, current data do not indicate that exposures to vapers from contaminants in electronic cigarettes warrant a concern. There are no known toxicological synergies among compounds in the aerosol, and mixture of the contaminants does not pose a risk to health. http://publichealth.drexel.edu/~/media/Files/publichealth/ms08.pdf I have taken the liberty of bolding the important part of your selected quote, because it seems like you were a little too quick on the trigger there. It is all fine and dandy that the contaminants do not appear toxic at the levels in the vapor, however that doesn't change the fact that the vapor in it's entirety is cause for concern. From the same paragraph as you quoted: Show nested quote + However, aerosol generated during vaping on the whole, when considering the declared ingredients themselves, if it were treated in the same manner as an emission from industrial process, creates personal exposures that would justify surveillance of exposures and health among exposed persons. The authors of that article (which isn't published in a peer-reviewed journal and has some pretty relevant COI which you neglected to mention) subscribe to the notion that second-hand smoke shouldn't be an issue as the exposure is in orders of magnitude less than for the person using the e-cigarette - however I see no actual data to support this, and no matter how they try to avoid the nicotine exposure (they claim it voluntary to the user, and conveniently enough neglect it for the 2 lines they have assigned to talking about second-hand exposure). And even better, in the 2 lines about second-hand exposure they neglect to account for the fact that this second-hand exposure is still imposed on people without their consent which is morally a cause for concern. All in all - e-cigs are less harmful than traditional ones, but they still aren't comparable to fresh air - don't try and pass it off as such. EDIT: For the record: I couldn't care less about what you decide to inhale and not to inhale. I believe in people making informed choices and taking responsibilities for their own actions. Ultimately the choice is really yours, so vapor on Valid points. I do think that the second hand smoke from e-cigs is less harmful then analog cigarettes, but like you said, I can understand why people are still apprehensive to being around someone smoking an e-cig in public. Hopefully in the future there is a further, even safer step. I am not a smoker, but I think there will always be smokers in my lifetime, and I'd like to see them stigmatized a little less, which is why I responded to the other gentleman earlier.. and I agree, let people make their own choices and then hold them accountable. | ||
FallDownMarigold
United States3710 Posts
On November 24 2013 00:55 marvellosity wrote: e-cigarettes made properly do not contain carcinogens Nicotine is not classified as a carcinogen based on current understanding, but, the real story may be a touch more complex: Wong HP, Yu L, Lam EK, Tai EK, Wu WK, Cho CH (2007). Nicotine promotes colon tumor growth and angiogenesis through beta-adrenergic activation. Toxicol. Sci. 97 (2): 279–87. Chowdhury P, Udupa KB (2006). Nicotine as a mitogenic stimulus for pancreatic acinar cell proliferation. World J. Gastroenterol. 12 (46): 7428–32. Natori T, Sata M, Washida M, Hirata Y, Nagai R, Makuuchi M (2003). Nicotine enhances neovascularization and promotes tumor growth. Mol. Cells 16 (2): 143–6. Davis R, Rizwani W, Banerjee S (2009). Nicotine promotes tumor growth and metastasis in mouse models of lung cancer. In Pao, William. PLoS ONE 4 (10): e7524. Ye YN, Liu ES, Shin VY, Wu WK, Luo JC, Cho CH (2004). Nicotine promoted colon cancer growth via epidermal growth factor receptor, c-Src, and 5-lipoxygenase-mediated signal pathway. J. Pharmacol. Exp. Ther. 308 (1): 66–72. just tryna' polemicize, sorry... | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
Reading the evidence that nicotine may help those things along doesn't really phase me, in the same way that reading http://www.ehhi.org/reports/exhaust/summary.shtml doesn't make me afraid to go outside. | ||
ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
POST YOUR SETUPS I'm running an iTaste vv v3 (variable voltage/wattage) with either iClear 16s or Kanger Mini Protank 2s. Been thinking about upgrading to the Protank 3 which just came out because it's dual coil. I want to get into mechanical mods but I don't have the time with grad school and practicum and work, but the iTaste vv v3 is fucking amazing for its cost (40 for the whole kit + a box of iClear 16s). As far as juice goes, I've been looking around. I started on the volcano ones but they suck and I ordered a couple batches from mount baker vapor which have been amazing. TRY THEIR ECTO COOLER, IT TASTES LIKE HI-C (but don't use it in a plastic tank as any citrus/cinnamon juice cracks plastic). I was relatively unimpressed with the other flavors I ordered (vanilla tobacco, chocolate tobacco, dark chocolate) but Ecto Cooler is amazing. Some guy in my area makes his own juice and sells it and his wasn't bad either. He cuts it with vodka and it was actually getting me tipsy for short periods, which was kinda cool. Anyone have any good juice suggestions? I prefer a ratio of 20/80 PG/VG so far and was thinking about actually switching over to pure VG on my next batch. Looking for good all day vapes, so let me know if you have any recommendations! | ||
Striker.superfreunde
Germany1117 Posts
vaporizer: CE4 something blue and white Liquid: Cafe Arabica (Red Kiwi), 15 mg, regulary For me, the liquid tastes herb, less synthetical. As i'm going to buy a second battery, i consider to buy one without voltage modulator, and therefore with usb charger. So would a battery without vm change my smoking habbits by a lot? Voltage is almost everyday at 3,2. So a 1100mA with usb instead of voltage modulator should work for me?! The Pro Tank 2 is certainly within the battery order. I'm sick off filthy vaporizers cause of shoddy/not so sturdy quality. Also i'm looking for a good table retainer. Have you guys any recommendation on that? I found a pretty cool one + Show Spoiler + but that's not what i'm looking for, exactly. I would prefer steatite-like ones. Generaly more useful then fancy, overall. | ||
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On November 24 2013 06:53 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: Fuck off the discussion of whether or not they're good for you. Obviously they're PROBABLY not good for you, but there's also evidence that nicotine prevents neurodegeneration as well so let's all just recognize that there are upsides and downsides and move on. Before I started vaping I was smoking pall malls nonfiltered and CLEARLY vaping is less harmful than that. POST YOUR SETUPS I'm running an iTaste vv v3 (variable voltage/wattage) with either iClear 16s or Kanger Mini Protank 2s. Been thinking about upgrading to the Protank 3 which just came out because it's dual coil. I want to get into mechanical mods but I don't have the time with grad school and practicum and work, but the iTaste vv v3 is fucking amazing for its cost (40 for the whole kit + a box of iClear 16s). As far as juice goes, I've been looking around. I started on the volcano ones but they suck and I ordered a couple batches from mount baker vapor which have been amazing. TRY THEIR ECTO COOLER, IT TASTES LIKE HI-C (but don't use it in a plastic tank as any citrus/cinnamon juice cracks plastic). I was relatively unimpressed with the other flavors I ordered (vanilla tobacco, chocolate tobacco, dark chocolate) but Ecto Cooler is amazing. Some guy in my area makes his own juice and sells it and his wasn't bad either. He cuts it with vodka and it was actually getting me tipsy for short periods, which was kinda cool. Anyone have any good juice suggestions? I prefer a ratio of 20/80 PG/VG so far and was thinking about actually switching over to pure VG on my next batch. Looking for good all day vapes, so let me know if you have any recommendations! I'm running a SMOK SiD VV with the Protank 2. Ecto is among my favoritest of vapes. I've been doing a Florida Citrus that's really good from Vermilion River, and Mountain Oak has a flavor called Red Drop that's pretty good but a little strong for all-day usage, it's a raspberry lemonade | ||
TrishLovesET
United States52 Posts
Doesn't Snoop Doggie Dog use it for "other" recreational uses or am I confusing it with something else? | ||
SjPhotoGrapher
181 Posts
On November 24 2013 06:17 FallDownMarigold wrote: Show nested quote + On November 24 2013 00:55 marvellosity wrote: e-cigarettes made properly do not contain carcinogens Nicotine is not classified as a carcinogen based on current understanding, but, the real story may be a touch more complex: Wong HP, Yu L, Lam EK, Tai EK, Wu WK, Cho CH (2007). Nicotine promotes colon tumor growth and angiogenesis through beta-adrenergic activation. Toxicol. Sci. 97 (2): 279–87. Chowdhury P, Udupa KB (2006). Nicotine as a mitogenic stimulus for pancreatic acinar cell proliferation. World J. Gastroenterol. 12 (46): 7428–32. Natori T, Sata M, Washida M, Hirata Y, Nagai R, Makuuchi M (2003). Nicotine enhances neovascularization and promotes tumor growth. Mol. Cells 16 (2): 143–6. Davis R, Rizwani W, Banerjee S (2009). Nicotine promotes tumor growth and metastasis in mouse models of lung cancer. In Pao, William. PLoS ONE 4 (10): e7524. Ye YN, Liu ES, Shin VY, Wu WK, Luo JC, Cho CH (2004). Nicotine promoted colon cancer growth via epidermal growth factor receptor, c-Src, and 5-lipoxygenase-mediated signal pathway. J. Pharmacol. Exp. Ther. 308 (1): 66–72. just tryna' polemicize, sorry... Cancer and the rest of the diseases mentioned are genetically linked. The lady that lived the longest out of any other person in the world up until this point in human history smoked cigarettes. I have relatives that smoke 1-2 packs a day and are 80+ years old...... I don't smoke but I'm just trying to prove a point that there's no playing it safe in this life. We're all going to die one day or another old or young from cancer from heart diseases in the end it doesn't even matter. Some people enjoy smoking....let them enjoy it. That or we could all be scared when it comes to diseases and death (fear of death and diseases is based around ignorance) and eat raw vegan and live in a hospital room and be monitored and bed ridden all of our lives and live to 100 years+. Quality > Quantity | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
Edit: Actually, I think I want to move towards an RBA as well, the tank thing is nice and I'll probably keep my Protank II active for on the go, but for sitting at home I think I want something a little more delicious / effective. Watched a video for the IGO-L and that seems to be something in the right direction. | ||
o29
United States220 Posts
On December 04 2013 04:50 ObviousOne wrote: I need to drop to low or no nic, I keep over-vaping to the point where I don't feel well. The B&M near me charges about $15 per 30mL bottle so I'm thinking about ordering somewhere online (such as MountBaker or some of the other recommended places on the ecr reddit). Any recommendations for 0mg-nic flavors or vendors? For reference I've been enjoying the grape and black cherry flavors I've gotten locally. Edit: Actually, I think I want to move towards an RBA as well, the tank thing is nice and I'll probably keep my Protank II active for on the go, but for sitting at home I think I want something a little more delicious / effective. Watched a video for the IGO-L and that seems to be something in the right direction. Honestly, this has always seemed like one of the pitfalls of e-cigs to me. The ease of use, as much as it is a selling point, I think actually creates a bit of a problem. With traditional cigarettes, the physical wear and tear on the throat and esophagus actually serves as a mild deterrent. Just like a hangover can temporarily curb your desire for alcohol, a lot of drugs have a sort of built-in mechanism to deter overuse. This is why I've found drugs like marijuana to potentially be more (at least psychologically) addictive, as there really are no lasting negative effects on your body. Similarly, the ease with which one can use e-cigarettes makes them almost too readily accessible, to the point where I think the potential for nicotine addiction can actually be greater than what you would traditionally see with cigarettes. Most of the smokers who smoke copious amounts of cigarettes on a daily basis are only able to do so after years of smoking and damaging nerve cells that would otherwise cause their body to reject the constant smoke inhalation. With e-cigarettes, you lose that barrier for entry, and when you add the common perception of them being less harmful with their convenience factor, you get a recipe for addiction. That being said, for people who use them as a substitute for real cigarettes, this doesn't apply as much since you're already addicted to nicotine. However, you could reasonably increase your average nicotine intake above what it was when you smoked real cigarettes, and in that way, they could further reinforce and actually strenghten your nicotine addiction. Of course, inhaling 100mg of nicotine a day through e-cigarettes is probably still far more healthy than inhaling 50mg of nicotine (in addition to all the other chemicals) from real cigarettes, but I think it's at least something worth considering. | ||
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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felisconcolori
United States6168 Posts
With an eCig, I don't have that feedback. I could wind up with a lot more nicotine than I was going for - and dammit I don't want to buy a watch. Otherwise, I think they're pretty nifty, and echo that quality control is important. (Regarding cancer, etc, nicotine is a poison. Period. A very very small quantity of pure nicotine will kill you, your friends, etc. The amount you get smoking a cigarette is not lethal, but it absolutely isn't healthy. The biggest health risk connected to smoking is not nicotine, it's all the combustion byproducts that eCigs shouldn't produce.) + Show Spoiler + Nicotine is such a wonderful poison it's in terrorist manuals for biological and chemical weapons as a potential means of assassination. I'm not saying anything else, because NSA. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
On December 04 2013 06:29 VisceraEyes wrote: Zero-nic smokers are like decaf coffee drinkers or people who like O'Douls. You're all doing it wrong. <3 Bro do you even vape? Where you get your juice? I wanted the 411! Yeah I'm using vape to quit smoking (11-12 days or so cig free thus far!!) so 0mg juice is the penultimate goal for me. Mount Baker, then, mister helpful? =P | ||
Striker.superfreunde
Germany1117 Posts
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Striker.superfreunde
Germany1117 Posts
Nice holder! So, it's me again. My order has arrived! yay! Two new vaporizer, one new battery and a few other things. The PuriTank glassomizer + Show Spoiler + This thing seems to be worth his money. It's very solid handled, and its taste is almost 100% liquid. Except for a little touch of metal, because the mouthepiece is metal. I'm really keen about it. The other vaporizer is more or less a standard one. I filled it with a never before used liquid, and it tastes somewhat strange, almost toxic. I can't tell if it's the vapo or liquid or just the combination of both.. but uhh, something needs to be changed. eGo VV with LCD panel + Show Spoiler + Maybe i got a little bit unlucky with that example, but the production value is bad. The LCD panel is not sealed, there is thin, very unregularly cutted rubber band around the 'push-Button' and the bottom has some scratches. The LCD display itself is The nice things about it; it counts your drags and its mA is adjustable. Both were not mentioned on the website where i ordered it. The main reason i bought this one was its passthrough function. All other were out of stock, so i had to stick with this one or had to wait... maybe waiting had been the better option. But still, if it stays alive for half a year, it will be worth its money. Last but not least a picture of my (so far) e-cig 'collection' *cough* + Show Spoiler + *As it turned out, the last digit is a 'V' like voltage | ||
hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
On December 19 2013 07:26 hzflank wrote: I switched to e-cigs about a month ago. It's great that they have completely replaced tobacco for me, but I do seem to 'smoke' a lot more now. I am using an entire 24mg cartridge per day, where as before I only smoked around 15 a day. I've just bought a stack of 16 mg cartridge though, so hopefully I will only use one of those per day. Yeah, it's actually demonstrated to me that I'm more in love with the vapor production (formerly the smoke production) than I am with the nicotine, so I've been trying to keep it below 16mg while I decide what I want to do going forward. My thoughts were some simple do-it-yourself by buying pre-made juice without flavoring, some various flavors, and nicotine concentrate or however it's distributed and make my own to save lots of money (since paying a premium at $15/30mL is kind of goofy at the rate I'm blowing through bottles.) [ DIY help via reddit ] | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom35820 Posts
On December 19 2013 16:39 ObviousOne wrote: Show nested quote + On December 19 2013 07:26 hzflank wrote: I switched to e-cigs about a month ago. It's great that they have completely replaced tobacco for me, but I do seem to 'smoke' a lot more now. I am using an entire 24mg cartridge per day, where as before I only smoked around 15 a day. I've just bought a stack of 16 mg cartridge though, so hopefully I will only use one of those per day. Yeah, it's actually demonstrated to me that I'm more in love with the vapor production (formerly the smoke production) than I am with the nicotine, so I've been trying to keep it below 16mg while I decide what I want to do going forward. My thoughts were some simple do-it-yourself by buying pre-made juice without flavoring, some various flavors, and nicotine concentrate or however it's distributed and make my own to save lots of money (since paying a premium at $15/30mL is kind of goofy at the rate I'm blowing through bottles.) [ DIY help via reddit ] lol yeah i'm the same too. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
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anTi_
United States499 Posts
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anTi_
United States499 Posts
My vape for the day ^^ | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
I want something like one of these bad boys (http://www.freighttrainmods.com/gallery.html) but I'm sure it's like $300-400 USD. They're made to order but BITCHIN' AS FUCK imo. Want x 1000 | ||
anTi_
United States499 Posts
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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sk1nex
Finland299 Posts
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
Found the above recently linked on the electronic_cigarette subreddit ( http://www.reddit.com/r/electronic_cigarette ) where I poke through interesting looking posts and links daily. I'm far from an expert but I took a quick look at that and bookmarked it for this kind of occasion. Youtube channels I personally recommend for hardware reviews, juice reviews, how-tos, etc.: http://www.youtube.com/user/GrimmGreen - Hardware reviews, hardware rebuilds, check out his website where all these videos are essentially aggregated with comments and other blog-y type stuff. You'll find the link on his channel. http://www.youtube.com/user/pbusardo - Hardware and juice and more. Also operates a blog that all these videos he posts are featured on, link on his YT page as well. So when you say to yourself "I want to see information about the Kanger Aerotank" you can look for these guys in the search results and I feel they do an excellent job of weighing the pros/cons of all the things they review. Subscribe to the subreddit, it's a great place for learning even if it's just by reading other people's comments. There are some posts on the reddit wiki as well that some of the longer-term vapers keep up to date when they can so you can look there as well (stickied posts or something) Ordered an IGO-L or IGO-W (I don't even remember, probably W) for my next step in the program so that's exciting to me. This Airheadz flavored juice is probably cotton candy and watermelon flavors so I'm going to poke around and see about making it myself in the future for cheaper than retail. | ||
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ObviousOne
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OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
On February 01 2014 13:45 zulu_nation8 wrote: any recommendations for starter kits? Barebones no bullshit cheap starting point that actually functions is going to look something like this. EGO style battery EGO is basically just the generic style battery. They're made by a million different companies but they all use the standard size threading. This is the most basic starting point, buy one of these, spend a ton on one of the crazy batteries, or don't vape at all, period. Anything smaller is completely worthless. * There is a USB Pass-through version as well It costs more but you don't have to take your tank off to charge. You can sit at your computer and vape all day long. Same as the above battery you're just paying more for convenience. Personally I use these. iClear Clearomizer 1.6ml No frills tank to hold the juice. They're idiot proof, don't have to dick around with them, put liquid in and go. IMO the best ease of use starting point, you can get all fancy later. Cheap, holds a lot of juice (2 days to 1/3 of a day depending on how much you use it), color coded if you want to keep separate tanks for separate flavors. *iClear 3ml tank Same as above but holds 3ml instead of 1.6 *iClear 1.6 replacement head Need to replace the head inside every once in a while, just grab a few to have handy. *iClear 3.0 replacement head Replacement head for 3ml Then you just need a liquid of choice, that's it. Cheap, quick, and dirty. Setup should last you forever if you don't drop kick it off a building. Everything linked here is just from a local shop for ease of linking. Feel free to shop around to save some money if you want. Optionally you might want a different drip tip (the thing you suck on) but its all personal preference or style. Start here, I wouldn't deviate unless you have someone to take you under your wing and tell you what sucks and what doesn't. Find a store and try for yourself before you buy. But this setup should get you off cigarettes. It's powerful enough and convenient with the tank. In the future you can start experimenting with variable voltage and mods and all that. I really should just copy this whole thing and paste it =P | ||
zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
Novocig http://www.nuvocig.com/ Rivocig Greensmoke http://www.greensmoke.com/ Gonna just go there and see what they have. Should I get the battery and tank from there or order online? What should I be looking for and are those good brands? Thanks. | ||
OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
The setup above could last you forever. I mean if it gets the job done and you don't want any bells and whistles there's no need to upgrade. Some people like having variable voltage because some liquids you might want to burn hotter to get a slightly different flavor. Some of the crazy mods that cost hundreds of dollars are built like a tank, have battery life for days of regular use, and can even charge your cellphone off the battery they're so powerful. So cost in the long run depends entirely on you honestly. The setup above is a decent setup, it's legit, it just also happens to be the place I'd recommend people to start from so it's not crappy by any stretch. It's kind of like RAM. 8GBs is the least I'd ever put in a system, it's also the most I'd ever put into a system for regular purposes. If you do something more specialized you might need more for your purposes though. In that case you'd be looking into more expensive mod territory. | ||
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OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
There's a billion flavors out there from tons of different sources. One persons version of tobacco and another person's can be miles apart. You can get grape to cheese cake to tobacco to crunchberry flavored. Experiment and find something that tastes good to you! Edit: Oh, and there's the whole PG (Propylene Glycol) vs VG (Vegetable Glycerin) thing. PG provides more of a throat hit, VG makes for more vapor. So the ratio that you prefer is another variable in the mix. Good luck! | ||
zulu_nation8
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Cam Connor
Canada786 Posts
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
Also huge huge huge thing to remember at all times. Battery safety. Don't charge on flammable surfaces. Don't charge overnight. All the standard rechargable battery rules. | ||
OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
The store by me lets you try all the devices and all the flavors out. If you've got something like that by you it's worth checking out and taste testing. I'm pretty sure I've heard of Mt Baker Vapor, it was mount something or other. As far as battery safety goes. TBH I've never heard the term battery safety in my life =P I charge my phone and ecig overnight every night. I mean, I guess... | ||
Liquorshot_852
Korea (South)72 Posts
I have always wanted to try out the e-cig, but never got around to it. would it be much cheaper than just regular smokes? Btw I'm in Canada so smokes are around 12-16 dollars per a pack of 20. | ||
OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
On February 06 2014 06:14 Liquorshot_852 wrote: what would you guys recommend for a regular cig smoker? about 3-4 a day? I have always wanted to try out the e-cig, but never got around to it. would it be much cheaper than just regular smokes? Btw I'm in Canada so smokes are around 12-16 dollars per a pack of 20. Read my recommendation on last page. I use my e-cig a TON and it costs about $45 a month between liquid and some replacement heads. | ||
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OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
On February 06 2014 06:53 zulu_nation8 wrote: I heard that it can be hard to limit yourself and it's common to ingest more nicotine than with smoking regular cigarettes, is there a way to measure how much nicotine you're taking in and what are the common amounts? Oh, I'm positive I take in more nicotine than I did when I smoked. It's just the ease of it. I don't go outside and freeze my ass off in the winter anymore, I can just sit at my computer and go to town. When it's just sitting there in reach you'll grab it and use it without even giving it a second thought. When you first switch you should use it more just to try and make the switch off regular smokes. But, it's easy to go crazy with the thing. I've been meaning to get 15mg instead of 20 when I get a refill, I just forgot last time. With the amount I use it it's probably smart to just lower the nicotine dosage in the liquid to compensate. | ||
FuDDx
United States4999 Posts
I have 2 regular ego battaries 2 ego-twists I have yet to get into any "Mods" As for tanks I have been really liking the kangertech miniproank II So far out of all the drip tips, tanks etc. this one has been the best imo. Checking out the youtube vids above will give you tons of info!! Also I would check out your local shops you can usually try flavors and go through any questions or concerns you may have. http://freedomsmokeusa.com/ is a great juice site over 600 flavors and constantly adding more and they do custom flavor as well. (Local store, does ship) Edit: and in June it will be 2 years since I "quit" smoking(bought my first ego set) I have had an occasional cig but no buying them or smoking more than a couple every couple months. | ||
zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
On February 01 2014 14:28 OuchyDathurts wrote: Show nested quote + On February 01 2014 13:45 zulu_nation8 wrote: any recommendations for starter kits? Barebones no bullshit cheap starting point that actually functions is going to look something like this. EGO style battery EGO is basically just the generic style battery. They're made by a million different companies but they all use the standard size threading. This is the most basic starting point, buy one of these, spend a ton on one of the crazy batteries, or don't vape at all, period. Anything smaller is completely worthless. * There is a USB Pass-through version as well It costs more but you don't have to take your tank off to charge. You can sit at your computer and vape all day long. Same as the above battery you're just paying more for convenience. Personally I use these. iClear Clearomizer 1.6ml No frills tank to hold the juice. They're idiot proof, don't have to dick around with them, put liquid in and go. IMO the best ease of use starting point, you can get all fancy later. Cheap, holds a lot of juice (2 days to 1/3 of a day depending on how much you use it), color coded if you want to keep separate tanks for separate flavors. *iClear 3ml tank Same as above but holds 3ml instead of 1.6 *iClear 1.6 replacement head Need to replace the head inside every once in a while, just grab a few to have handy. *iClear 3.0 replacement head Replacement head for 3ml Then you just need a liquid of choice, that's it. Cheap, quick, and dirty. Setup should last you forever if you don't drop kick it off a building. Everything linked here is just from a local shop for ease of linking. Feel free to shop around to save some money if you want. Optionally you might want a different drip tip (the thing you suck on) but its all personal preference or style. Start here, I wouldn't deviate unless you have someone to take you under your wing and tell you what sucks and what doesn't. Find a store and try for yourself before you buy. But this setup should get you off cigarettes. It's powerful enough and convenient with the tank. In the future you can start experimenting with variable voltage and mods and all that. I really should just copy this whole thing and paste it =P I got the USB ego passthrough, the 1.6ml clearomizer, and a couple of replacements. They came today but with no instructions included... what do I do? I have no liquid yet, they're coming in soon. | ||
OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
On February 15 2014 11:18 zulu_nation8 wrote: Show nested quote + On February 01 2014 14:28 OuchyDathurts wrote: On February 01 2014 13:45 zulu_nation8 wrote: any recommendations for starter kits? Barebones no bullshit cheap starting point that actually functions is going to look something like this. EGO style battery EGO is basically just the generic style battery. They're made by a million different companies but they all use the standard size threading. This is the most basic starting point, buy one of these, spend a ton on one of the crazy batteries, or don't vape at all, period. Anything smaller is completely worthless. * There is a USB Pass-through version as well It costs more but you don't have to take your tank off to charge. You can sit at your computer and vape all day long. Same as the above battery you're just paying more for convenience. Personally I use these. iClear Clearomizer 1.6ml No frills tank to hold the juice. They're idiot proof, don't have to dick around with them, put liquid in and go. IMO the best ease of use starting point, you can get all fancy later. Cheap, holds a lot of juice (2 days to 1/3 of a day depending on how much you use it), color coded if you want to keep separate tanks for separate flavors. *iClear 3ml tank Same as above but holds 3ml instead of 1.6 *iClear 1.6 replacement head Need to replace the head inside every once in a while, just grab a few to have handy. *iClear 3.0 replacement head Replacement head for 3ml Then you just need a liquid of choice, that's it. Cheap, quick, and dirty. Setup should last you forever if you don't drop kick it off a building. Everything linked here is just from a local shop for ease of linking. Feel free to shop around to save some money if you want. Optionally you might want a different drip tip (the thing you suck on) but its all personal preference or style. Start here, I wouldn't deviate unless you have someone to take you under your wing and tell you what sucks and what doesn't. Find a store and try for yourself before you buy. But this setup should get you off cigarettes. It's powerful enough and convenient with the tank. In the future you can start experimenting with variable voltage and mods and all that. I really should just copy this whole thing and paste it =P I got the USB ego passthrough, the 1.6ml clearomizer, and a couple of replacements. They came today but with no instructions included... what do I do? I have no liquid yet, they're coming in soon. Alright, the clearomizer has very few parts. You've got the plastic body, the tip which you suck on (HEYO!!), the base, and the head which is inside of the plastic body. First thing is it should have come with a head attached already, make sure that is indeed the case, its the part with the wicks. Make sure its screwed to the base snug but don't go all hulk on it. Then you can screw the body back onto the base again, snug but not overly tight. To fill it you'll take the tip off, tilt the assembled clearomizer to the side and squirt in your liquid down the side of the chamber. Don't shoot it directly down that little rubber nipple, the wicks will do their job and bring the liquid there on their own, and also make sure that nipple is there, it serves a function so don't discard it thinking its packaging. Fill the chamber up to the 1.6 mark you don't want to over fill because when you put the tip back in it can displace the liquid and make a mess. Screw the tip back on and you're set! As for the battery it should have a female connection with threading. Inside the bottom of the base of the clearomizer it has a little male connection. They should just screw together ezpz, again don't crank the shit out of it. You're done! Assembly is complete and its ready to rock. The battery should have some charge on it, but you got the passthrough so you can use it anyway. We're not savages that have to take our tank off to enjoy The battery should have a locking function. Push the button 5 times and it'll flash indicating its locked so you don't accidentally trigger, hit it again 5 times to unlock. I cant remember the exact time but after something like 12 seconds of holding the button it'll automatically kill and the light will flash. The light will flash when its low on battery power. Other than that there's not much to it. When I change heads I use the corner of a napkin to try and clear out all the left over juice that might have snuck into little nooks and crannies of the base. I personally don't do anything too crazy, just give it a cleaning with some napkins and call it good. Obviously if you have pets or something don't let them get ahold of the nicotine by any means, clean up any spills, throw stuff away where nothing is going to get to it. Hopefully I covered everything. Enjoy, hopefully you're able to kick cigarettes! | ||
zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
Also, I ordered 15ml of 15mg nicotine liquid: http://www.smokelesssmoking.com/products/lasso, how long does it last if I smoke about 1.5 packs a week? Thanks for your help once again. edit: I'm an idiot the tip came off, so I'm supposed to just drip the liquid in evenly and not try to aim for the rubber hole right? | ||
OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
On February 15 2014 12:05 zulu_nation8 wrote: by taking the tip off you mean just the part you suck on right? If so I'm having trouble with that, I can take the entire glass case off leaving the wicks exposed, but not just the tip. Yes, I'm talking about that black tip you suck on, it's all 1 piece that goes down into the tank. That's the reason for the rubber nipple by the way. The tip goes inside the case and that nipple goes inside of the straw like part creating a seal so juice doesn't just come into the mouth piece. No one likes a mouth full of juice! It should come apart just as in the pic. I did replace that black tip with a different setup that involved a metal coupling. So that picture is the out of box generic setup, mine is slightly different but functions the same way. My point being that I don't have that tip anymore so I can't look at it. BUT it should just screw off, not pull off. EDIT: On February 15 2014 12:05 zulu_nation8 wrote: Also, I ordered 15ml of 15mg nicotine liquid: http://www.smokelesssmoking.com/products/lasso, how long does it last if I smoke about 1.5 packs a week? Thanks for your help once again. edit: I'm an idiot the tip came off, so I'm supposed to just drip the liquid in evenly and not try to aim for the rubber hole right? Well, I smoked a pack a day give or take. I go through 60ml a month, and I use my ecig a TON so you should get some good mileage out of only 15ml. You do save a little money buying larger bottles generally and my place honestly charges a lot for juice compared to online averages. I just grew to love the pomegranate quickly but I really should experiment more, but its so easy for me to stop in and grab some more there. Yes, try and run the liquid down the inside wall. By tipping it to the side a bit and and letting the juice run down the inside wall the surface tension will keep it from getting into the rubber hole. If you flood the atomizer (which is where the wicks draw under that nipple) you can ruin the head which isn't the end of the world, but its silly and will taste some juice. You can also get liquid spit back in your mouth if you flood it and the liquid doesn't taste too great to just be eating lol. It's not hard, you'll get the hang of it. It's about the easiest to use tank system there is so don't over think it or freak out. This will demonstrate the idea if you're having trouble. This is for a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT TANK (Which I used to have and it was a fucking massive pain in the ass with how temperamental it was) so all the other steps don't matter to you at all. But she demonstrates what I'm talking about with tilting it and letting the liquid run down the side. You're welcome man | ||
KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
On February 01 2014 17:34 OuchyDathurts wrote: Well, I wouldn't buy liquid from some shady looking place or china because you're probably going to be vaping anthrax or some shit. Making your own liquid is fairly easy (if you're smart about it, you could kill people if not) so there's so many people out there making stuff that the options are limitless. ... Speaking of China, aren't E-cigarettes invented there? Should be pretty safe to buy liquids made there as long as it's a US dealer. I sure as hell wouldn't recommend making your own liquid, that's for sure. | ||
OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
On February 15 2014 13:45 KissBlade wrote: Show nested quote + On February 01 2014 17:34 OuchyDathurts wrote: Well, I wouldn't buy liquid from some shady looking place or china because you're probably going to be vaping anthrax or some shit. Making your own liquid is fairly easy (if you're smart about it, you could kill people if not) so there's so many people out there making stuff that the options are limitless. ... Speaking of China, aren't E-cigarettes invented there? Should be pretty safe to buy liquids made there as long as it's a US dealer. I sure as hell wouldn't recommend making your own liquid, that's for sure. Not sure where they were invented tbh. But as a rule of thumb anything that does into my body doesn't come from China as they have a track record of having some....lax quality assurance. Making your own isn't for your average Joe but a lot of people do it and start up businesses selling their concoctions. E-cigs are a business that's growing crazy fast. Personally, while I'm sure I'm bright enough to make my own liquid I wouldn't do it. But it is interesting and mindblowingly cheaper, you can make it for pennies comparatively. My brother works in a microbiology lab so maybe one day I'll see if he wants to do some experimentation and mix some stuff up. | ||
Pniski
United States17 Posts
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OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
On February 17 2014 13:29 Pniski wrote: I don't know any chain smokers that switched to e-cigarettes completely. I guess for the same reasons that people already mentioned here - too weak, taste is not the same etc. But I do know casual smokers who have picked up e-cigarettes instead of smoking regular stuff. I guess that's a progress of a kind long term for those who haven't picked up the habit just yet. I was a chain smoker for 10 years that hasn't touched a cigarette in 1 year next month. | ||
ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
On February 01 2014 15:43 zulu_nation8 wrote: Any recommendations for liquids? Can I buy those at stores or better to order them? I smoke mostly camel filtereds/marlboro lights/27s. Not looking for anything amazing but just something close to the taste of a real cigarette. My current favorites are Halcyon Cran'Chi and Space Jam Andromeda. You can buy them at stores (or online). Honestly, once you start vaping you'll realize that the tobacco flavors in general just suck and you can get nicotine that tastes good instead. If you're looking for good tobacco flavors it's always hit and miss through trial and error. I hear good things about bombies and the jango flavor from seduce juice I have right now isn't bad, but honestly, go get something that tastes good. On February 06 2014 06:53 zulu_nation8 wrote: I heard that it can be hard to limit yourself and it's common to ingest more nicotine than with smoking regular cigarettes, is there a way to measure how much nicotine you're taking in and what are the common amounts? Nicotine is not a known carcinogen, so it's nice if you like nicotine but not cancer. All e-liquids should clearly be labeled in mg/100mL on the bottle. On February 17 2014 13:29 Pniski wrote: I don't know any chain smokers that switched to e-cigarettes completely. I guess for the same reasons that people already mentioned here - too weak, taste is not the same etc. But I do know casual smokers who have picked up e-cigarettes instead of smoking regular stuff. I guess that's a progress of a kind long term for those who haven't picked up the habit just yet. Chain smoked Pall Malls unfiltered for 5 years and went full e-cig 6 months ago | ||
JeanBob
Canada295 Posts
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Pniski
United States17 Posts
I heard that it was illegal for e-cigarettes in Canada to have nicotine in them. Could it work even without the nicotine? I feel like that's what I'm addicted too and going for e-cigarettes without nicotine will just make me wish I was having a real one instead. I think it's a mixture of both - pure nicotine addiction and the routine part of the habit. For example, if every time you go to work or school, you smoke waiting for the bus or train and have done so for years, the hard part of quitting is finding something to replace that with. Maybe that's where e-cigs without nicotine could be helpful. I've talked to people who have quit and a lot of them said that the routine part was much harder to drop. | ||
JeanBob
Canada295 Posts
On February 19 2014 16:14 Pniski wrote: + Show Spoiler + I heard that it was illegal for e-cigarettes in Canada to have nicotine in them. Could it work even without the nicotine? I feel like that's what I'm addicted too and going for e-cigarettes without nicotine will just make me wish I was having a real one instead. I think it's a mixture of both - pure nicotine addiction and the routine part of the habit. For example, if every time you go to work or school, you smoke waiting for the bus or train and have done so for years, the hard part of quitting is finding something to replace that with. Maybe that's where e-cigs without nicotine could be helpful. I've talked to people who have quit and a lot of them said that the routine part was much harder to drop. True that. I have 30-minutes pauses at job and that's where I smoke, that and when driving to/back from job. So I guess I should give it a try. Thanks! | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
Office manager Donna Sheridan agreed: “Now that all my smoker mates are using supposedly harmless e-fags, I’ve had to start hanging around crack houses to feel better than others. Source - reddit Which is funny because there's another link there regarding something harmful found in one brand's liquid (wtf titanium dioxide?) Couple more days until my second batch of Airheadz flavor is done, and I'm eyeing a couple of flavors online to see what I can see and branch out my flavor profile. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
edit: called in and apparently it means there's a defect with the battery, they're shipping me a new one. | ||
zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
I know most people vape inside, but if the smoke contains nicotine would it be better to blow it out? I'm near a window so it doesn't matter either way. Also when do you know to stop? What's the equivalent in cigarettes of emptying the liquid in the 16ml cartomizer? Thanks. | ||
OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
On February 22 2014 14:54 zulu_nation8 wrote: I left it charging and apparently it work now... this things too advanced for me. I know most people vape inside, but if the smoke contains nicotine would it be better to blow it out? I'm near a window so it doesn't matter either way. Also when do you know to stop? What's the equivalent in cigarettes of emptying the liquid in the 16ml cartomizer? Thanks. lol, that's the problem is stopping since its so easy =P Its not enough nicotine to do much of anything to anyone else unless you're reenacting a cheech and chong scene. While it has a smell it doesn't stick on anything or stay around. I was concerned when I first got it since it clearly has a smell and I didn't want to get it all over everything, but it goes away in minute and doesn't linger around. I don't know the specifics of what equates to what since I never knew how much nicotine was in each cigarette, and apparently there's more than they even say. But 15mg nicotine is 15mg of nicotine per 1ml of liquid. Also you don't absorb all of that nicotine only part of it. When I started with a plain atomizer (have to put drops in every time) I heard 3 drops ~ 1 cigarette. BTW, are you actually in China? Hows it going so far? | ||
zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
Did some googling and found this http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ecf-library/261114-tobacco-cigarette-vs-e-cigarette-nicotine-equivalency.html that basically just says tests are inconclusive and the comparison is difficult to make, but in general e-cigs deliver less nicotine per vape. Guess I'll just stop when I feel dizzy. I got a liquid that was recommended for Marlboro light smokers and it tastes fine. Will definitely try to experiment with others. The taste is very similar to smoking a hookah. | ||
OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
On February 22 2014 15:21 zulu_nation8 wrote: I live in the states now, I've just never bothered to change the location Did some googling and found this http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ecf-library/261114-tobacco-cigarette-vs-e-cigarette-nicotine-equivalency.html that basically just says tests are inconclusive and the comparison is difficult to make, but in general e-cigs deliver less nicotine per vape. Guess I'll just stop when I feel dizzy. I got a liquid that was recommended for Marlboro light smokers and it tastes fine. Will definitely try to experiment with others. The taste is very similar to smoking a hookah. Well, when you feel dizzy you've probably gone too far. Honestly I've never gotten the same buzz I got with cigarettes. Granted I didn't get the buzz often after 10 years it was a pretty rare thing. Yeah, it's quite a lot like a hookah. I get that all the time from friends who try mine. When I went in last week for a refill I said something about some guy on a forum who apparently ordered a bunch of stuff in China, they were like "we ship to china?!" so I wasn't sure lol. I was a camel light smoker and did blend 4, its tobacco thats a bit fruity, I liked it but quickly switched just to get rid of the tobacco flavor. | ||
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OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
I've only used pomegranate, blend 4 (for the first few weeks), and I ordered some crunch berry from LJ's Esmokes. The crunch berry was pretty decent but not something I could do on the regular. The cappuccino at smokeless is pretty good, I want to try some grape but they don't have any, they gave me a local place to check out though. I honestly need to experiment way more but once I've found something I like I've always just stuck with it lol. | ||
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
The taste seems to be a lot better out of the Nautilus, again I'm not sure how or why - I was kinda in a hurry when I stopped at the vape shop today. But with the functioning coil the vape is a little smoother without sacrificing the flavor. All in all I'm fairly satisfied with the Nautilus. | ||
peanuts
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Grumbels
Netherlands7028 Posts
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
On February 23 2014 06:20 Grumbels wrote: I've been thinking of buying one for my brother, since he smokes too much, but he says he doesn't think it will be an adequate replacement and he has a phantom fear about ecigs being dangerous for his health. Tbh, I don't understand the concept of being addicted not to nicotine, but to smoking, but my brother is uninterested in things such as nicotine gum. I thought with ecigs you'd at least keep the smoking part but he still doesn't like it. The smoking ritual becomes deep seated. I still crave cigarettes for the taste/ritual sometimes, though I imagine after not having smoked a cigarette for three months it would taste rather garbage to me and that would 'ruin' the experience enough to keep me away. The ritual is rather powerful once it's been followed for a long time. I smoked for 9 years, I still think about going outside, lighting up, and staring into the distance in a semi-meditative state. Not dying improves your chances with women. Have him give this a listen, the man named Charles puts it best. "I just want you to not die" https://soundcloud.com/thetvashow/the-tva-show-episode-2#t=24:20 [NSFW] | ||
OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
On February 23 2014 06:20 peanutsfan1995 wrote: Hey guys! In college right now, and interested about getting in to vaping. Definitely noticed that taking a few puffs off my friend's cape that it really helped relax me and helped me settle in for a long paper. I was wondering if you all could point me towards some good starter kits or some info on starting? We were using really low nicotine content juice, for what it's worth? I don't know about just starting to use nicotine to relax for writing papers. Seems a silly reason to start taking a horrifyingly addictive substance but whatever lol. Just going to copy paste my recommendations from a few pages ago. It's the same recommendation I'd give to anyone thinking of switching. But again, I wouldn't go down this road for mere paper writing but to each their own I guess. On February 01 2014 14:28 OuchyDathurts wrote: Show nested quote + On February 01 2014 13:45 zulu_nation8 wrote: any recommendations for starter kits? Barebones no bullshit cheap starting point that actually functions is going to look something like this. EGO style battery EGO is basically just the generic style battery. They're made by a million different companies but they all use the standard size threading. This is the most basic starting point, buy one of these, spend a ton on one of the crazy batteries, or don't vape at all, period. Anything smaller is completely worthless. * There is a USB Pass-through version as well It costs more but you don't have to take your tank off to charge. You can sit at your computer and vape all day long. Same as the above battery you're just paying more for convenience. Personally I use these. iClear Clearomizer 1.6ml No frills tank to hold the juice. They're idiot proof, don't have to dick around with them, put liquid in and go. IMO the best ease of use starting point, you can get all fancy later. Cheap, holds a lot of juice (2 days to 1/3 of a day depending on how much you use it), color coded if you want to keep separate tanks for separate flavors. *iClear 3ml tank Same as above but holds 3ml instead of 1.6 *iClear 1.6 replacement head Need to replace the head inside every once in a while, just grab a few to have handy. *iClear 3.0 replacement head Replacement head for 3ml Then you just need a liquid of choice, that's it. Cheap, quick, and dirty. Setup should last you forever if you don't drop kick it off a building. Everything linked here is just from a local shop for ease of linking. Feel free to shop around to save some money if you want. Optionally you might want a different drip tip (the thing you suck on) but its all personal preference or style. Start here, I wouldn't deviate unless you have someone to take you under your wing and tell you what sucks and what doesn't. Find a store and try for yourself before you buy. But this setup should get you off cigarettes. It's powerful enough and convenient with the tank. In the future you can start experimenting with variable voltage and mods and all that. I really should just copy this whole thing and paste it =P On February 23 2014 06:20 Grumbels wrote: I've been thinking of buying one for my brother, since he smokes too much, but he says he doesn't think it will be an adequate replacement and he has a phantom fear about ecigs being dangerous for his health. Tbh, I don't understand the concept of being addicted not to nicotine, but to smoking, but my brother is uninterested in things such as nicotine gum. I thought with ecigs you'd at least keep the smoking part but he still doesn't like it. I mean it doesn't work for everyone. A shitty ecig didn't do anything for me originally, but since I got the setup above I hadn't touched a cigarette in 1 year on March 5th. Even if it turns out ecigs aren't good for you, there is literally no way they're worse for you than actual cigarettes. That would actually be impossible, so he's worrying about nonsense. Sure just straight kicking smoking entirely is the most ideal thing. But he's concerned about something while he's sleeping with a grizzly bear with a nuke strapped to its back. Keep shit in perspective. Nicotine gum sucks balls, its just not the same. You don't have much control over it, can't dial it in with what your body is asking for at a given moment. You can do that with an ecig. I need more nicotine I take more hits, I feel fine I put it down. While nicotine is mega super fucking addictive just the rituals can be addictive as well. Your brain will be saying "Hey, we're driving, you should be smoking!" or "You just finished an episode of a show on netflix, time to go have a smoke." You form habits and that's just the nature of the beast. See if there's a local shop that will let him test things out. I don't see why places wouldn't let you. Once you try it the stuff pretty much sells itself. Go in there, talk to the people, try out different devices, different flavors, let him give it a shot. Can't really say it's not going to work if he's not willing to just go try it first. | ||
peanuts
United States1224 Posts
On February 23 2014 06:52 OuchyDathurts wrote: I don't know about just starting to use nicotine to relax for writing papers. Seems a silly reason to start taking a horrifyingly addictive substance but whatever lol. Just going to copy paste my recommendations from a few pages ago. It's the same recommendation I'd give to anyone thinking of switching. But again, I wouldn't go down this road for mere paper writing but to each their own I guess. Schoolwork drives my anxiety up the wall to a crazy amount. Friend's vape was the only thing that's really managed to take the edge off. Trust me, I'm looking at other ways of coping, but right now, this seems to be the best. :c | ||
OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
On February 23 2014 07:52 peanutsfan1995 wrote: Show nested quote + On February 23 2014 06:52 OuchyDathurts wrote: I don't know about just starting to use nicotine to relax for writing papers. Seems a silly reason to start taking a horrifyingly addictive substance but whatever lol. Just going to copy paste my recommendations from a few pages ago. It's the same recommendation I'd give to anyone thinking of switching. But again, I wouldn't go down this road for mere paper writing but to each their own I guess. Schoolwork drives my anxiety up the wall to a crazy amount. Friend's vape was the only thing that's really managed to take the edge off. Trust me, I'm looking at other ways of coping, but right now, this seems to be the best. :c Well, nicotine is good for stress. Just saying you're probably opening a giant can of worms so think about it first. Look for a local shop, try the setup above, get super low nicotine level liquid. | ||
peanuts
United States1224 Posts
On February 23 2014 08:08 OuchyDathurts wrote: Show nested quote + On February 23 2014 07:52 peanutsfan1995 wrote: On February 23 2014 06:52 OuchyDathurts wrote: I don't know about just starting to use nicotine to relax for writing papers. Seems a silly reason to start taking a horrifyingly addictive substance but whatever lol. Just going to copy paste my recommendations from a few pages ago. It's the same recommendation I'd give to anyone thinking of switching. But again, I wouldn't go down this road for mere paper writing but to each their own I guess. Schoolwork drives my anxiety up the wall to a crazy amount. Friend's vape was the only thing that's really managed to take the edge off. Trust me, I'm looking at other ways of coping, but right now, this seems to be the best. :c Well, nicotine is good for stress. Just saying you're probably opening a giant can of worms so think about it first. Look for a local shop, try the setup above, get super low nicotine level liquid. Yeah, I'm thinking about it a lot, don't worry. Just wanted to do research first. The stuff I bummed off my friend was pretty low nicotine levels, so I'd probably stick with that level. | ||
oDieN[Siege]
United States2904 Posts
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
On February 27 2014 15:03 zulu_nation8 wrote: Something I've noticed is I'm coughing more when vaping compared to smoking regular cigs. I've cut down on real cigs so I should be taking in less toxic stuff overall. Drink lots more water than you're used to if you aren't already. | ||
Fazers
734 Posts
these are my current juices I've been enjoying http://smokelessimage.com/refill-liquid/icementhol30ml.html this above is my current favorite. replaced the menthol craving for the former love of my life, newport 100's...=/ http://thevaporchef.com/products/honey-pearry http://www.gremlinjuice.com/bretts-breakfast-blend/ | ||
MarlieChurphy
United States2063 Posts
What is the cheapest setup? What is the most expensive? What are the ranges of the parts/liquids in prices? Curious how long it takes to pay for itself. | ||
Striker.superfreunde
Germany1117 Posts
I can't tell you the exact numbers, because i'm not using e-cigs to replace normal cigs, instead i only use them if i want to smoke in my flat if i'm to lazy to go outside to smoke. And i'm not used to USD prices, but they should be the around the same (eur <-> usd) | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
On March 07 2014 18:19 Striker.superfreunde wrote: An average pen costs you probably ~30 $. A good vaporizer should be around 15 $ ( there are plenty of cheaper vaporizers, which are still fine). You can get away with less $ and still get a good experience. Liquids range from 5 to 8 $. A normal liquid should last two and a half vaporizer fillings~ish (average tank size). If you are a heavy smoker ( a paket+ per day) you probably get away with 1 1/2 tank fillings each day. I can't tell you the exact numbers, because i'm not using e-cigs to replace normal cigs, instead i only use them if i want to smoke in my flat if i'm to lazy to go outside to smoke. And i'm not used to USD prices, but they should be the around the same (eur <-> usd) I have no self control and refill probably 3-4 times per day (2mL tank) but I don't feel guilty at 6mg. On March 07 2014 17:51 MarlieChurphy wrote: Just curious, I know and see hundreds of the vape pens these days but I never really know the costs. Some people tell me they spent over a 100$ on just the pen etc. What is the cheapest setup? What is the most expensive? What are the ranges of the parts/liquids in prices? Curious how long it takes to pay for itself. ego twist [battery] + kanger mini protank [clearomizer] gives you a good low profile vape with decent performance if you're looking to switch from cigarettes. Yeah, some of the custom stuff (things people build by hand or in limited runs) can get pretty expensive but that's mostly for people who enjoy it as a hobby / being an elitist / want to splurge. You can get started at pretty much any time for under $100 (I say this as someone who did) and move on from there if you get the desire / cash to do so. 2 batteries [to rotate through while one charges, or get a passthrough device if you are willing to spend a bit more such as the iTazte VV], 2 tanks [one is a backup], a package of replacement coils, 30ml of juice, you should be good for a week of pleasure and more. Some online businesses offer sampler packs that will send you a bunch of small bottles with different things to try if you're looking to figure out your tastes as well. | ||
OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
They're pricey but its built like a brick shit house and apparently fully replaceable. The tank is pyrex glass, if it cracks somehow you can just throw a new piece in. It also allows you to regulate the amount of airflow when you drag. There's a little threaded knob so you can go full throttle and pull a ton of air or close it off entirely. It's on the large side of things, would fit better on a provari or something. But so far I'm digging it. Also picked up some grape juice, pretty tasty. Anyone ordered from Mount Baker and got flavor shots? I'm thinking of picking up a gigantic bottle of grape (never having tried it) but I think I'd prefer some extra flavor power but don't want to like go overboard (if that's possible lol) | ||
Irave
United States9965 Posts
On March 07 2014 18:19 Striker.superfreunde wrote: An average pen costs you probably ~30 $. A good vaporizer should be around 15 $ ( there are plenty of cheaper vaporizers, which are still fine). You can get away with less $ and still get a good experience. Liquids range from 5 to 8 $. A normal liquid should last two and a half vaporizer fillings~ish (average tank size). If you are a heavy smoker ( a paket+ per day) you probably get away with 1 1/2 tank fillings each day. I can't tell you the exact numbers, because i'm not using e-cigs to replace normal cigs, instead i only use them if i want to smoke in my flat if i'm to lazy to go outside to smoke. And i'm not used to USD prices, but they should be the around the same (eur <-> usd) Nice to find a little community for this on TL. Ok, now lets go super cheap setup. Most stateside vendors are still sold out, damned Chinese new years. Either way couple of options. http://www.steammonkey.com/SPIDERMONKEY_p/kit-spid.htm $15 Not interested in rebuilding, pick up some of their coils $1.10, at the least I would say you should expect to get a week out of them. Juice, unless you're making your own you won't find any cheaper than http://www.lucky7vapes.com/ $1.99 for 12ml, or go way big and do $10.99 for 120ml. No complex flavors here, just the simple Flavor West mixes, but its great for its price. You'll likely casually go through maybe 3ml a day. That's 3 weeks of stuff for less than $25. Worth the investment if you're considering quitting smoking. Good luck! | ||
ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
The nemesis clone is fucking AMAZING for flavor and vapor delivery. Rebuildable coils are the way to go if you have the time and patience. You get SOOOOOOO much more flavor and mileage from your juice. Oh and I'm currently vaping Space Jam Andromeda and Astro as well as Halcyon Cran'chi and Dragon'Chi. I have some People's Vape Manifesto for my coffee flavor and Seduce Juice Jango for my tobacco flavor. Still using Space Jam/Halcyon for my ADV (all day vapes) but the manifesto and jango are both good when I want something more rugged. | ||
Fazers
734 Posts
On March 14 2014 18:06 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: I'm currently running a Vamo v5 with a protank 3 setup for personal carry and a nemesis clone + igo-w for home vaping The nemesis clone is fucking AMAZING for flavor and vapor delivery. Rebuildable coils are the way to go if you have the time and patience. You get SOOOOOOO much more flavor and mileage from your juice. Oh and I'm currently vaping Space Jam Andromeda and Astro as well as Halcyon Cran'chi and Dragon'Chi. I have some People's Vape Manifesto for my coffee flavor and Seduce Juice Jango for my tobacco flavor. Still using Space Jam/Halcyon for my ADV (all day vapes) but the manifesto and jango are both good when I want something more rugged. Nice! Mods are the next thing on my list, if I ever get to that point. For now, the vision spinner is more than enough. hehe | ||
ComaDose
Canada10345 Posts
it actually burns tobacco (or w.e. you put in it) | ||
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ComaDose
Canada10345 Posts
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Fazers
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
On March 15 2014 04:41 Fazers wrote: Speaking of iTaste, I really want to get the MVP 2.0. I hear nothing but great reviews on the EC community. Upon first impression, it looked really ugly at first but I hear that it doesn't seem that big as it does in pictures. Thoughts/experiences with it? Is it good for portable usage? You want something that fits in your pants pocket then a VTR is better I think, but I take my MVP everywhere without much issue. Doesn't fire sub ohm stuff or anything special but for a basic tank setup it's a beast. Can vape about 2-3 tanks before I need to recharge. Set to favorite watt level and vape like mad. | ||
Irave
United States9965 Posts
On March 15 2014 04:41 Fazers wrote: Speaking of iTaste, I really want to get the MVP 2.0. I hear nothing but great reviews on the EC community. Upon first impression, it looked really ugly at first but I hear that it doesn't seem that big as it does in pictures. Thoughts/experiences with it? Is it good for portable usage? Ironically without a tank attached to it, the mvp2 is the size of a pack of smokes, just extra weight of course. Great for portable usage, the battery life and ability to charge with many devices is great. http://www.steammonkey.com/Gibbon_MVP2_Mini_Protank_2_Kit_p/kit-gib.htm the best deal for it. Box mods are the future. | ||
Vasoline73
United States7675 Posts
Basically when I ran out of cloves I bought a pack of normal cigs to continue my 3 year smoking "career" and couldn't handle how disgusting the taste was compared to a clove cigarette anymore. Didn't want to drop 160 on three cartons of Supers again and wait a week for shipping... Realized my skin looked like shit because of 3 years of smoking, 2 of about a pack a day, always full flavored never lights... Only on day 4 of vaping but already my skin looks better and I feel like my lung capacity has increased. Pretty amazing. Haven't smoked a cigarette in 4 days, no real urge as this pen hits hard with the 20mg. Eyes feel better because I don't get smoke near them anymore, smell better... even noticing I have more saliva haha. Hoping that I stay off analogues for life. In short so far so good with vaping! | ||
VisceraEyes
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
On March 15 2014 04:21 ComaDose wrote: well yeah i figured that burning tobacco would have more carcinogens then oil. wouldn't it still be better then normal cigs tho? and for smoking weed too i use a pipe but wouldn't this be better? I just thought it was cool how you can put either into it. but i appreciate the advice about going for higher quality. What did you mean by cigalike versus vaporizer? i thought that thing was a vape. just oil? It's still better than normal cigs but... here's a pm I just answered on the subject: Anything that resembles an actual cigarette in form like the blu e-cigarettes. You want something with an ego-style threading. If you're starting off in ecigs I'd recommend an iTaste vv v3.0 (my first vv/vw, probably best bang-for-buck) or an ego twist. Check out this subreddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/electronic_cigarette/ if you wanna know more. Basically the cigalikes are meant to resemble actual cigarettes but they do a very crappy job and have been shown to have far more dangerous ingredients than a regular ecig that takes juices. They don't taste nearly as good either. Honestly I'd recommend the iTaste vv v3.0 as a personal carry to even a veteran and the price for the whole kit is like 40-60 bucks depending on sales. From there it's just getting a good atomizer and juices you like. If you're in a metro area you should be able to find a vape shop nearby that will allow you to sample juices and find a flavor you like using a house ecig, I'd go in to check out flavors and see what fits you. I think you'll be much more satisfied if you spend an extra 30 bucks. It'll last waaaaaaaaaaaaaay longer and you'll get your hands wet on the ecig game. The cigalikes are cashing in on people who don't do their research first. Good luck, lemme know if you want more info or advice! I've done a lot of research on this topic (doing my master's thesis on nicotine) and the levels of carcinogens found in those blu e-cigs and other cigalikes is far greater than those found in devices at the ego twist level or higher. There are trace amounts of carcinogens still, but it's less than 1% that of a normal cig and I read a statement saying that the chance of cancer based on that was basically nonexistent (THOUGH WE STILL HAVE NO GOOD LONGITUDINAL STUDIES). The carcinogen level found in cigalikes is much higher. In my opinion, invest a bit more for a good entry-level rechargeable vv/vw setup. You will have massively higher levels of enjoyment | ||
OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
On March 15 2014 11:49 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: I've done a lot of research on this topic (doing my master's thesis on nicotine) and the levels of carcinogens found in those blu e-cigs and other cigalikes is far greater than those found in devices at the ego twist level or higher. Just curious, why would that be? | ||
darthfoley
United States7999 Posts
Sorry if that's a super broad question, i'm just curious! | ||
Powerpill
United States1692 Posts
On another note, I recently purchased an eGo-C kit. It shoulder arrive next week... wish me luck on sticking with it and permanently giving up on the others (Been over 10 years now... wow). | ||
OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
On March 15 2014 12:54 Powerpill wrote: Well, assuming you are talking about the ecigs/vapor devices that contain nicotine, then the only real drug you are getting with them is nicotine (assuming there are not other harmful chemicals in the liquid). With normal cigarettes, you are inhaling actual smoke, which contains a residue tar, which is the main cause of smokers lung cancer and other breathing ailments. Nicotine alone is a stimulant though, and with prolonged heavy use, can raise blood pressure, cause heart problems, among other things that stimulants often cause in the long run. I am by no means an expert though, this is just what I understand to be the difference. On another note, I recently purchased an eGo-C kit. It shoulder arrive next week... wish me luck on sticking with it and permanently giving up on the others (Been over 10 years now... wow). Find a flavor you like and it shouldn't be too hard to make the jump. You might want to use it more often than you would a cigarette to make the switch, but for me once I got it I never looked back, over a year now! On March 15 2014 12:35 darthfoley wrote: For someone who has never smoked any type of cig and doesn't plan on it (i.e. for a complete noob in this field), how healthy are these e-cigs? Relative to regular cigarettes, and in general. Sorry if that's a super broad question, i'm just curious! Well, if you get a decent liquid the only things in there are flavoring, nicotine, and a combination of 2 food additives. The PG/VG you're probably eating in some foods you consume anyway. Flavoring I think it generally derived from the actual item (at least in the case of fruits) so that's no big deal. Nicotine is a stimulant so I mean sure you'd be better off not using it but I'm not super worried about it either. I don't see how an e-cig can be anywhere near as bad for you as a regular cigarette. Unless somehow down the line they find out that the liquid is laced with ebola I just don't see how it would be worse =P Sure, ideally you just throw in the towel on all of it but it's an alternative. | ||
JumboJohnson
537 Posts
Started smoking again (after 3 years quit, stupid college and writing papers) and figured I'd might as well go the vaporizer route. | ||
OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
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Irave
United States9965 Posts
On March 15 2014 13:12 JumboJohnson wrote: Anyone tried Vuse? It's a new one that's popped up in the convenience stores around my town. Costs $30 for the starter kit and about $5-6 for cartridges. Says you get 200 drags per cartridge. Is it any good or should I just bite the bullet and get a different one? Any good websites to purchase from? Started smoking again (after 3 years quit, stupid college and writing papers) and figured I'd might as well go the vaporizer route. http://www.vapedojo.com/collections/starter-kits/products/kanger-evod-starter-kit In luck too its in stock! | ||
ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
On March 15 2014 12:28 OuchyDathurts wrote: Show nested quote + On March 15 2014 11:49 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: I've done a lot of research on this topic (doing my master's thesis on nicotine) and the levels of carcinogens found in those blu e-cigs and other cigalikes is far greater than those found in devices at the ego twist level or higher. Just curious, why would that be? DISCLAIMER: I can't find the info that led me to this conclusion But basically there was a study that I remember finding which showed that the content of a cigalike was producing carcinogens at a much higher rate than "real" vape devices. I can't find it anymore though, and upon reading the blu page it doesn't seem to be an issue... so I could be wrong. Even if I am, though, spending money on a good vape device is well worth it and you won't regret it. | ||
ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
On March 15 2014 12:54 Powerpill wrote: Well, assuming you are talking about the ecigs/vapor devices that contain nicotine, then the only real drug you are getting with them is nicotine (assuming there are not other harmful chemicals in the liquid). With normal cigarettes, you are inhaling actual smoke, which contains a residue tar, which is the main cause of smokers lung cancer and other breathing ailments. Nicotine alone is a stimulant though, and with prolonged heavy use, can raise blood pressure, cause heart problems, among other things that stimulants often cause in the long run. I am by no means an expert though, this is just what I understand to be the difference. On another note, I recently purchased an eGo-C kit. It shoulder arrive next week... wish me luck on sticking with it and permanently giving up on the others (Been over 10 years now... wow). The key point to remember with this is that nicotine itself is not an actual carcinogen, so as far as we know there are no known carcinogens in most* ejuices. *some companies used to have diacetyl for butter flavoring and that shit was really bad for you, most if not all have cut it out from their flavorings | ||
ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
On March 15 2014 13:12 JumboJohnson wrote: Anyone tried Vuse? It's a new one that's popped up in the convenience stores around my town. Costs $30 for the starter kit and about $5-6 for cartridges. Says you get 200 drags per cartridge. Is it any good or should I just bite the bullet and get a different one? Any good websites to purchase from? Started smoking again (after 3 years quit, stupid college and writing papers) and figured I'd might as well go the vaporizer route. Yeah, don't buy your shit from a gas station. Go from a reputable online source or a vape shop. For about $50 you can get a really good setup. Scan the last few pages for recommendations. | ||
ComaDose
Canada10345 Posts
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OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
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Shottaz
United Kingdom414 Posts
It's good not smelling of smoke but I do feel stupid smoking it, it just doesn't look right to me still. The flavour is ok, I went for a mild menthol but i'll probably get a stronger menthol next time. *edit* I tried a few types in the shop. The tobacco e-liquid was awful! | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
BTW unicorn blood from fuzion is fucking excellent but has way too much sweetener in it and murders wicks. That was def worth the flavor when I had that. | ||
Anacreor
Netherlands291 Posts
But whatever, guess it's not a really big deal. Everything available on the market will kill you in one way or another. User was warned for this post | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
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Anacreor
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On May 19 2014 21:23 ObviousOne wrote: For some reason I read that as MERS not MRSA. Whoops Haha allright, then I see where your suspicion came from! | ||
EngrishTeacher
Canada1109 Posts
Can u vape weed directly at all with any E-cig available on the market? Portable vapes for weed are terribly overpriced. I know it works if you manage to extract the THC into a solution and then fill an E-cig with the said solution, but that's way too much trouble. Are there any E-cig that can vape weed directly and effectively? | ||
Thelymus
Netherlands131 Posts
On May 20 2014 02:28 EngrishTeacher wrote: Hey just a quick question: Can u vape weed directly at all with any E-cig available on the market? Portable vapes for weed are terribly overpriced. I know it works if you manage to extract the THC into a solution and then fill an E-cig with the said solution, but that's way too much trouble. Are there any E-cig that can vape weed directly and effectively? You mean to say you want some e-cig that vaporizes like, straight weed? I'm sorry, don't think anything like that is on the market yet. | ||
KaiserChuck
United States79 Posts
On May 20 2014 02:28 EngrishTeacher wrote: Hey just a quick question: Can u vape weed directly at all with any E-cig available on the market? Portable vapes for weed are terribly overpriced. I know it works if you manage to extract the THC into a solution and then fill an E-cig with the said solution, but that's way too much trouble. Are there any E-cig that can vape weed directly and effectively? There are full-sized, modular vapes out there capable of both, however you have to swap out the chamber between vaping liquid & burning herb. If you're asking about something the size of a little "e-cig" then, no. You don't want to vape out of anything that small anyhow, not enough power for real heat. Basically - keep your chillum for handy outdoor tokes, or be prepared to carry something like a medium-sized flashlight. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
e: found a follow-up on the MRSA thing that was mentioned earlier via reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/electronic_cigarette/comments/268ctr/followup_to_the_mrsa_claims_for_ecigs/ | ||
Qwyn
United States2779 Posts
A. One authentic iTaste SVD battery (from Innokin). B. The best styled Kayfun-Lite V2 atomizer offered on FT. Combined total was 68 dollars. 37 for the battery, 31 for the RBA. I could have gotten one of the cheaper KL-V1 clones but the one I finally purchased is significantly higher quality. In fact, it's similar if not down-right identical in build to my buddy's authentic KFL. SUPER excited to finally be building some coils on my RBA. Have some Japanese cotton and 28 gauge coil coming in the mail right now. Vape on! So stoked, might actually make a blog on my coil-building experiments. This will go well with the RDA I eventually plan on ordering from FT. Takes a long time to ship, but if you know how to sift through the crap you can get some great products! 36 mg user here, and loving it. Drawing on the SVD right now with one of my shitty iClear-30 tanks, and it's performing wonderfully. Finally have a spare 510 thread battery to give to my friend who's planning on quitting the smokes. | ||
screamingpalm
United States1527 Posts
Started vaping about 6 weeks ago, and started not being able to taste the flavors and was having a strange taste form. When I'd eat food, it would taste like mold or something. Almost went back to cigs at that point but was talked into trying liquid with a vegetable oil base as someone suggested I might have been allergic to that type of fluid. Now it's happening again. Anyone have some insight or good info I might use? Need some support! :D | ||
Poffel
471 Posts
On May 30 2015 01:50 screamingpalm wrote: Hey guys, sorry to bump this old thread, but hoping someone can talk me out of going back to cigarettes here lol. Started vaping about 6 weeks ago, and started not being able to taste the flavors and was having a strange taste form. When I'd eat food, it would taste like mold or something. Almost went back to cigs at that point but was talked into trying liquid with a vegetable oil base as someone suggested I might have been allergic to that type of fluid. Now it's happening again. Anyone have some insight or good info I might use? Need some support! :D Standard liquids consist of propylene glycol and glycerol at different ratios, and while there are cases of allergic reactions to the former (never heard of any in case of the latter), your problem sounds nothing like that. In other words, imho it's highly unlikely that what you're experiencing has anything to do with allergies. However, it would be easier to address the problem if we knew which liquids/flavors/brands you're using and what your setup looks like. | ||
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screamingpalm
United States1527 Posts
Sorry perhaps not much to go by. I could try to get more info if necessary. | ||
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Poffel
471 Posts
On May 30 2015 02:38 screamingpalm wrote: Usually about once a week. I'm sort of not understanding that part of things as well though. I had tried a different type of tank- metal one, and it would spit the liquid up into my mouth. :D Someone said that maybe the wick was wound up to tight or something like that, but I didn't like the tin taste of it anyway. Another time I put a brand new wick in my glass tank, and couldn't get any vapor out of it- had to use the old wick. Sort of confused how that works I think. Although the original question seems to be answered by now, one quick remark on this. You said that you're using an egoT battery, and while there are different types of these, the most common ones (650 or 1000 mAh) have a constant voltage of 3.3V, so they only work well with coils that have a resistance between about 1.6 and 2 Ohm. If you're using a coil with less resistance, it will taste burnt; if the resistance is between 2 and about 3.2 Ohm, the device will make bubbling noises because the liquid isn't vaporized fast enough - and towards the higher numbers you might even end up with liquid in your mouth. (And coils with a resistance higher than 3.2 Ohm don't trigger on 3.3V.) The resistance of the coil depends on thickness and length of the wire, and unfortunately the manufacturing tolerence of ready-made coils on the market is rather high. Thus, I'd strongly recommend to invest in a battery with variable voltage. As a bonus, at a higher power the device delivers nicotine much more efficently; since most instances of vaper's tongue seem to be connected to overexposure (i.e. chain-vaping to stop nicotine cravings), switching the battery might also help you with your original problem. | ||
screamingpalm
United States1527 Posts
I'm considering upgrading my setup- went to a shop for demo of one where the guy drew a mammoth amount of vapor. :D I've definitely been chaining to deal with the nic fits. Cheers! Edit: Just had a look at the replacement wicks I have. They are 2 Ohms and says "for Protank & EVOD & Unitank". So I assume my tank is one of those maybe? The metal tank must have been off there- certainly something crazy was happening. Will definitely be interested in upgrading anyway though (interested in any recommendations). I think the demo I saw was a $300 set up. | ||
Poffel
471 Posts
As I said earlier, in regard to battery mods, you should make sure that your device has variable voltage and/or wattage; alternatively, variable wattage modules are available for most mechanical mods. Even the cheap ones go up to 15W nowadays, and while you shouldn't settle for less, I've personally never heard of anyone who actually uses more (except for cloud chasing demonstrations). As for the batteries (industrial cells, like the ones built in an electric toothbrush) that you put in there, it makes sense to spend a bit more because the whole on-off-on-off-on-off regime that they're put through in an e-cig is the opposite of the continuous use that they're designed for. The precise kind of battery you need depends of course on the mod. What's the best atomizer is a religious topic, and since those are forbidden on TL, I'll just say three things: Most stores will let you try their products, and since taste preferences are highly subjective, you should go, first and foremost, by your gut. However, secondly, don't underestimate the value of convenient use: If you need to disassamble and rebuild the whole device just to refill the tank, replacement parts have to be ordered from the other end of the world, or you need to hire a surgeon to change the coil, that's going to get old really quick. Third, even though the concept of rebuildable atomizers sounds daunting to people who have never tried building their own coil, it's actually much, much easier than it sounds. On a side note: Have you tried cleaning your metal tank? | ||
TechSc2
Netherlands554 Posts
I have a ELeaf Istick 30W with a nautilus mini tank on top of that, total price of 80 dollar i think. That is a simple but effective setup that gives a decent amount of flavour and cloud. i even rebuild my own coils (altho that's not too easy on the nautilus) I also ordered a Magma RDA so i can tinker around with sub-ohm ( 1 ohm or lower ) sel build coils for bigger flavour/cloud hits. And i disagree with "what is the best atomizer, is a religious topic" we are talking about a product here that either does what you want, or not. Ofcourse personal preference is...well personal but you can still give some good advice if you know what you are talking about. a 300$ setup should be the best of the best of the best, even if i take a 100% handmade RDA ( Velocity RDA ) and put that on of a expensive box mod ( Vox mod V2 ) it's stil not 300$. An average high end setup would be something like a 80$ box mod and a 50-80$ RDA. Also you have to know if you are a cloud chase ( not inhaling ) mout to lung smoker or lung inhaler. All give you different combinations of mods/tank/RDA that would give you the best experience | ||
weikor
Austria580 Posts
Smells like a marketing scam to me. | ||
weikor
Austria580 Posts
You could just stop smoking you know. I know its hard not to go back - but once youve made it through the first week(s) it becomes easier and easier. | ||
screamingpalm
United States1527 Posts
@TechSc2- I've noticed I'm more of a lung inhaler with vaping. Not sure if it is the inefficiency of not getting the nicotine- or if I should up the dosage from what I'm currently using etc. I also seem to like the PG better than the sweeter taste from VG. | ||
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