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On November 23 2013 21:43 Wegandi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 21:29 shaftofpleasure wrote:
try smearing that fluid on any painted surfaces and see if it causes a reaction .. if it does, think about it. What does this have to do with anything? Water is one of the best solvents known, yet are you going to argue it is highly dangerous because of its chemical properties? There are also very toxic substances you don't want to ingest or inhale that have no reaction, but in your view they'd be just ok? Ok then....
just a thought to ponder about .. dude I smoke cigarettes, but trading a poison for another more expensive poison and call it 'healthy' or 'healthier' is bullshit ..
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Just to clear this up: People seem to assume the liquid you smoke is just water + nicotine + flavour. It is not, its comprised mostly of propylene glycol and glycerine, which are both safe to ingest, but also produce a small amount of carcinogens when burned.
Current research suggests e-cigarettes are less unhealthy than regular tobacco, but still quite unhealthy.
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On November 23 2013 22:51 shaftofpleasure wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 21:43 Wegandi wrote:On November 23 2013 21:29 shaftofpleasure wrote:
try smearing that fluid on any painted surfaces and see if it causes a reaction .. if it does, think about it. What does this have to do with anything? Water is one of the best solvents known, yet are you going to argue it is highly dangerous because of its chemical properties? There are also very toxic substances you don't want to ingest or inhale that have no reaction, but in your view they'd be just ok? Ok then.... just a thought to ponder about .. dude I smoke cigarettes, but trading a poison for another more expensive poison and call it 'healthy' or 'healthier' is bullshit ..
First of all it's not more expensive. Second, what do you mean it's bullshit to call it healthier? It doesn't have the tar and other stuff that really fuck up your lungs. I can tell from my own experience that I feel alot healthier and after switching to e-cigs. I can breathe easier and actually taste and smell things. Sure, e-cigs aren't 100% healthy for you; some studies have showed that the vapor does include toxic substances but at like 1:10 ratio compared to analog cigarettes and we don't have proper studies that show the long term effects of using them.
On November 23 2013 22:55 wollhandkrabbe wrote:
Just to clear this up: People seem to assume the liquid you smoke is just water + nicotine + flavour. It is not, its comprised mostly of propylene glycol and glycerine, which are both safe to ingest, but also produce a small amount of carcinogens when burned.
Current research suggests e-cigarettes are less unhealthy than regular tobacco, but still quite unhealthy.
From the research that I've read PG is actually rather safe to inhale. For example it is used in asthma inhalers.
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On November 23 2013 23:25 Maindi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 22:51 shaftofpleasure wrote:On November 23 2013 21:43 Wegandi wrote:On November 23 2013 21:29 shaftofpleasure wrote:
try smearing that fluid on any painted surfaces and see if it causes a reaction .. if it does, think about it. What does this have to do with anything? Water is one of the best solvents known, yet are you going to argue it is highly dangerous because of its chemical properties? There are also very toxic substances you don't want to ingest or inhale that have no reaction, but in your view they'd be just ok? Ok then.... just a thought to ponder about .. dude I smoke cigarettes, but trading a poison for another more expensive poison and call it 'healthy' or 'healthier' is bullshit .. First of all it's not more expensive. Second, what do you mean it's bullshit to call it healthier? It doesn't have the tar and other stuff that really fuck up your lungs. I can tell from my own experience that I feel alot healthier and after switching to e-cigs. I can breathe easier and actually taste and smell things. Sure, e-cigs aren't 100% healthy for you; some studies have showed that the vapor does include toxic substances but at like 1:10 ratio compared to analog cigarettes and we don't have proper studies that show the long term effects of using them.
Because it's not 'healthier'. You want to be 'healthier'? stop puffing smoke. Remember that time when doctors were telling people that smoking tobacco was good? was beneficial? And how smoking weed is medicinal? No those are not healthy alternatives. Inhaling smoke is not healthy. Masking e-cigs as 'healthier' for you is bullshit.
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On November 23 2013 23:45 shaftofpleasure wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 23:25 Maindi wrote:On November 23 2013 22:51 shaftofpleasure wrote:On November 23 2013 21:43 Wegandi wrote:On November 23 2013 21:29 shaftofpleasure wrote:
try smearing that fluid on any painted surfaces and see if it causes a reaction .. if it does, think about it. What does this have to do with anything? Water is one of the best solvents known, yet are you going to argue it is highly dangerous because of its chemical properties? There are also very toxic substances you don't want to ingest or inhale that have no reaction, but in your view they'd be just ok? Ok then.... just a thought to ponder about .. dude I smoke cigarettes, but trading a poison for another more expensive poison and call it 'healthy' or 'healthier' is bullshit .. First of all it's not more expensive. Second, what do you mean it's bullshit to call it healthier? It doesn't have the tar and other stuff that really fuck up your lungs. I can tell from my own experience that I feel alot healthier and after switching to e-cigs. I can breathe easier and actually taste and smell things. Sure, e-cigs aren't 100% healthy for you; some studies have showed that the vapor does include toxic substances but at like 1:10 ratio compared to analog cigarettes and we don't have proper studies that show the long term effects of using them. Because it's not 'healthier'. You want to be 'healthier'? stop puffing smoke. Remember that time when doctors were telling people that smoking tobacco was good? was beneficial? And how smoking weed is medicinal? No those are not healthy alternatives. Inhaling smoke is not healthy. Masking e-cigs as 'healthier' for you is bullshit.
You have a really weird definition of healthier. If you compare two products which have some harmful effects on you but the latter one has less of them you wouldn't call it the healthier option? If you go to a restaurant and there are two options: a pepperoni pizza and a pasta dish, you wouldn't call the pasta healthier even if it had less fat, sodium and all the other bad stuff?
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On November 24 2013 00:04 Maindi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 23:45 shaftofpleasure wrote:On November 23 2013 23:25 Maindi wrote:On November 23 2013 22:51 shaftofpleasure wrote:On November 23 2013 21:43 Wegandi wrote:On November 23 2013 21:29 shaftofpleasure wrote:
try smearing that fluid on any painted surfaces and see if it causes a reaction .. if it does, think about it. What does this have to do with anything? Water is one of the best solvents known, yet are you going to argue it is highly dangerous because of its chemical properties? There are also very toxic substances you don't want to ingest or inhale that have no reaction, but in your view they'd be just ok? Ok then.... just a thought to ponder about .. dude I smoke cigarettes, but trading a poison for another more expensive poison and call it 'healthy' or 'healthier' is bullshit .. First of all it's not more expensive. Second, what do you mean it's bullshit to call it healthier? It doesn't have the tar and other stuff that really fuck up your lungs. I can tell from my own experience that I feel alot healthier and after switching to e-cigs. I can breathe easier and actually taste and smell things. Sure, e-cigs aren't 100% healthy for you; some studies have showed that the vapor does include toxic substances but at like 1:10 ratio compared to analog cigarettes and we don't have proper studies that show the long term effects of using them. Because it's not 'healthier'. You want to be 'healthier'? stop puffing smoke. Remember that time when doctors were telling people that smoking tobacco was good? was beneficial? And how smoking weed is medicinal? No those are not healthy alternatives. Inhaling smoke is not healthy. Masking e-cigs as 'healthier' for you is bullshit. You have a really weird definition of healthier. If you compare two products which have some harmful effects on you but the latter one has less of them you wouldn't call it the healthier option? If you go to a restaurant and there are two options: a pepperoni pizza and a veggy dish, you wouldn't call the veggy dish healthier?
You are basing this on the fact that you tried it and assessed what you feel about it rather than actual health experts tell what the real deal is. It may make you feel better but that doesn't always mean it is healthier. and that, from what I see, is the problem.
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On November 24 2013 00:07 shaftofpleasure wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2013 00:04 Maindi wrote:On November 23 2013 23:45 shaftofpleasure wrote:On November 23 2013 23:25 Maindi wrote:On November 23 2013 22:51 shaftofpleasure wrote:On November 23 2013 21:43 Wegandi wrote:On November 23 2013 21:29 shaftofpleasure wrote:
try smearing that fluid on any painted surfaces and see if it causes a reaction .. if it does, think about it. What does this have to do with anything? Water is one of the best solvents known, yet are you going to argue it is highly dangerous because of its chemical properties? There are also very toxic substances you don't want to ingest or inhale that have no reaction, but in your view they'd be just ok? Ok then.... just a thought to ponder about .. dude I smoke cigarettes, but trading a poison for another more expensive poison and call it 'healthy' or 'healthier' is bullshit .. First of all it's not more expensive. Second, what do you mean it's bullshit to call it healthier? It doesn't have the tar and other stuff that really fuck up your lungs. I can tell from my own experience that I feel alot healthier and after switching to e-cigs. I can breathe easier and actually taste and smell things. Sure, e-cigs aren't 100% healthy for you; some studies have showed that the vapor does include toxic substances but at like 1:10 ratio compared to analog cigarettes and we don't have proper studies that show the long term effects of using them. Because it's not 'healthier'. You want to be 'healthier'? stop puffing smoke. Remember that time when doctors were telling people that smoking tobacco was good? was beneficial? And how smoking weed is medicinal? No those are not healthy alternatives. Inhaling smoke is not healthy. Masking e-cigs as 'healthier' for you is bullshit. You have a really weird definition of healthier. If you compare two products which have some harmful effects on you but the latter one has less of them you wouldn't call it the healthier option? If you go to a restaurant and there are two options: a pepperoni pizza and a veggy dish, you wouldn't call the veggy dish healthier? You are basing this on the fact that you tried it and assessed what you feel about it rather than actual health experts tell what the real deal is. It may make you feel better but that doesn't always mean it is healthier. and that, from what I see, is the problem.
Have you not studied the comparative/superlative topic in your English class yet?
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On November 24 2013 00:07 shaftofpleasure wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2013 00:04 Maindi wrote:On November 23 2013 23:45 shaftofpleasure wrote:On November 23 2013 23:25 Maindi wrote:On November 23 2013 22:51 shaftofpleasure wrote:On November 23 2013 21:43 Wegandi wrote:On November 23 2013 21:29 shaftofpleasure wrote:
try smearing that fluid on any painted surfaces and see if it causes a reaction .. if it does, think about it. What does this have to do with anything? Water is one of the best solvents known, yet are you going to argue it is highly dangerous because of its chemical properties? There are also very toxic substances you don't want to ingest or inhale that have no reaction, but in your view they'd be just ok? Ok then.... just a thought to ponder about .. dude I smoke cigarettes, but trading a poison for another more expensive poison and call it 'healthy' or 'healthier' is bullshit .. First of all it's not more expensive. Second, what do you mean it's bullshit to call it healthier? It doesn't have the tar and other stuff that really fuck up your lungs. I can tell from my own experience that I feel alot healthier and after switching to e-cigs. I can breathe easier and actually taste and smell things. Sure, e-cigs aren't 100% healthy for you; some studies have showed that the vapor does include toxic substances but at like 1:10 ratio compared to analog cigarettes and we don't have proper studies that show the long term effects of using them. Because it's not 'healthier'. You want to be 'healthier'? stop puffing smoke. Remember that time when doctors were telling people that smoking tobacco was good? was beneficial? And how smoking weed is medicinal? No those are not healthy alternatives. Inhaling smoke is not healthy. Masking e-cigs as 'healthier' for you is bullshit. You have a really weird definition of healthier. If you compare two products which have some harmful effects on you but the latter one has less of them you wouldn't call it the healthier option? If you go to a restaurant and there are two options: a pepperoni pizza and a veggy dish, you wouldn't call the veggy dish healthier? You are basing this on the fact that you tried it and assessed what you feel about it rather than actual health experts tell what the real deal is. It may make you feel better but that doesn't always mean it is healthier. and that, from what I see, is the problem.
What you say is completely false. Studies show that ecigs do have less of the bad stuff that analog cigarettes have. So I'm not just basing on my views on my personal experiences.
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Denmark4783 Posts
On November 24 2013 00:07 shaftofpleasure wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2013 00:04 Maindi wrote:On November 23 2013 23:45 shaftofpleasure wrote:On November 23 2013 23:25 Maindi wrote:On November 23 2013 22:51 shaftofpleasure wrote:On November 23 2013 21:43 Wegandi wrote:On November 23 2013 21:29 shaftofpleasure wrote:
try smearing that fluid on any painted surfaces and see if it causes a reaction .. if it does, think about it. What does this have to do with anything? Water is one of the best solvents known, yet are you going to argue it is highly dangerous because of its chemical properties? There are also very toxic substances you don't want to ingest or inhale that have no reaction, but in your view they'd be just ok? Ok then.... just a thought to ponder about .. dude I smoke cigarettes, but trading a poison for another more expensive poison and call it 'healthy' or 'healthier' is bullshit .. First of all it's not more expensive. Second, what do you mean it's bullshit to call it healthier? It doesn't have the tar and other stuff that really fuck up your lungs. I can tell from my own experience that I feel alot healthier and after switching to e-cigs. I can breathe easier and actually taste and smell things. Sure, e-cigs aren't 100% healthy for you; some studies have showed that the vapor does include toxic substances but at like 1:10 ratio compared to analog cigarettes and we don't have proper studies that show the long term effects of using them. Because it's not 'healthier'. You want to be 'healthier'? stop puffing smoke. Remember that time when doctors were telling people that smoking tobacco was good? was beneficial? And how smoking weed is medicinal? No those are not healthy alternatives. Inhaling smoke is not healthy. Masking e-cigs as 'healthier' for you is bullshit. You have a really weird definition of healthier. If you compare two products which have some harmful effects on you but the latter one has less of them you wouldn't call it the healthier option? If you go to a restaurant and there are two options: a pepperoni pizza and a veggy dish, you wouldn't call the veggy dish healthier? You are basing this on the fact that you tried it and assessed what you feel about it rather than actual health experts tell what the real deal is. It may make you feel better but that doesn't always mean it is healthier. and that, from what I see, is the problem.
No, every health expert out there currently agrees that by virtue of there being no tar, e-cigs are healthier than traditional cigarettes. Neither are actually healthy and we have little clue about the long-term effects of e-cigs.
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On November 23 2013 22:55 wollhandkrabbe wrote:
Just to clear this up: People seem to assume the liquid you smoke is just water + nicotine + flavour. It is not, its comprised mostly of propylene glycol and glycerine, which are both safe to ingest, but also produce a small amount of carcinogens when burned.
Current research suggests e-cigarettes are less unhealthy than regular tobacco, but still quite unhealthy.
Source? Because I read around this quite a bit recently and what you're saying is not the case as far as I'm aware.
edit: that was re: carcinogens + unhealthy claim.
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On November 24 2013 00:17 Ghostcom wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2013 00:07 shaftofpleasure wrote:On November 24 2013 00:04 Maindi wrote:On November 23 2013 23:45 shaftofpleasure wrote:On November 23 2013 23:25 Maindi wrote:On November 23 2013 22:51 shaftofpleasure wrote:On November 23 2013 21:43 Wegandi wrote:On November 23 2013 21:29 shaftofpleasure wrote:
try smearing that fluid on any painted surfaces and see if it causes a reaction .. if it does, think about it. What does this have to do with anything? Water is one of the best solvents known, yet are you going to argue it is highly dangerous because of its chemical properties? There are also very toxic substances you don't want to ingest or inhale that have no reaction, but in your view they'd be just ok? Ok then.... just a thought to ponder about .. dude I smoke cigarettes, but trading a poison for another more expensive poison and call it 'healthy' or 'healthier' is bullshit .. First of all it's not more expensive. Second, what do you mean it's bullshit to call it healthier? It doesn't have the tar and other stuff that really fuck up your lungs. I can tell from my own experience that I feel alot healthier and after switching to e-cigs. I can breathe easier and actually taste and smell things. Sure, e-cigs aren't 100% healthy for you; some studies have showed that the vapor does include toxic substances but at like 1:10 ratio compared to analog cigarettes and we don't have proper studies that show the long term effects of using them. Because it's not 'healthier'. You want to be 'healthier'? stop puffing smoke. Remember that time when doctors were telling people that smoking tobacco was good? was beneficial? And how smoking weed is medicinal? No those are not healthy alternatives. Inhaling smoke is not healthy. Masking e-cigs as 'healthier' for you is bullshit. You have a really weird definition of healthier. If you compare two products which have some harmful effects on you but the latter one has less of them you wouldn't call it the healthier option? If you go to a restaurant and there are two options: a pepperoni pizza and a veggy dish, you wouldn't call the veggy dish healthier? You are basing this on the fact that you tried it and assessed what you feel about it rather than actual health experts tell what the real deal is. It may make you feel better but that doesn't always mean it is healthier. and that, from what I see, is the problem. No, every health expert out there currently agrees that by virtue of there being no tar, e-cigs are healthier than traditional cigarettes. Neither are actually healthy and we have little clue about the long-term effects of e-cigs.
Obviously this is going to be the case for something that hasn't been used long-term. But I've seen little to no evidence of why they should cause any damage.
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On November 24 2013 00:07 shaftofpleasure wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2013 00:04 Maindi wrote:On November 23 2013 23:45 shaftofpleasure wrote:On November 23 2013 23:25 Maindi wrote:On November 23 2013 22:51 shaftofpleasure wrote:On November 23 2013 21:43 Wegandi wrote:On November 23 2013 21:29 shaftofpleasure wrote:
try smearing that fluid on any painted surfaces and see if it causes a reaction .. if it does, think about it. What does this have to do with anything? Water is one of the best solvents known, yet are you going to argue it is highly dangerous because of its chemical properties? There are also very toxic substances you don't want to ingest or inhale that have no reaction, but in your view they'd be just ok? Ok then.... just a thought to ponder about .. dude I smoke cigarettes, but trading a poison for another more expensive poison and call it 'healthy' or 'healthier' is bullshit .. First of all it's not more expensive. Second, what do you mean it's bullshit to call it healthier? It doesn't have the tar and other stuff that really fuck up your lungs. I can tell from my own experience that I feel alot healthier and after switching to e-cigs. I can breathe easier and actually taste and smell things. Sure, e-cigs aren't 100% healthy for you; some studies have showed that the vapor does include toxic substances but at like 1:10 ratio compared to analog cigarettes and we don't have proper studies that show the long term effects of using them. Because it's not 'healthier'. You want to be 'healthier'? stop puffing smoke. Remember that time when doctors were telling people that smoking tobacco was good? was beneficial? And how smoking weed is medicinal? No those are not healthy alternatives. Inhaling smoke is not healthy. Masking e-cigs as 'healthier' for you is bullshit. You have a really weird definition of healthier. If you compare two products which have some harmful effects on you but the latter one has less of them you wouldn't call it the healthier option? If you go to a restaurant and there are two options: a pepperoni pizza and a veggy dish, you wouldn't call the veggy dish healthier? You are basing this on the fact that you tried it and assessed what you feel about it rather than actual health experts tell what the real deal is. It may make you feel better but that doesn't always mean it is healthier. and that, from what I see, is the problem.
It's abundantly clear that you actually know nothing on the subject, so I don't know why you're even posting to be honest.
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On August 30 2013 01:23 teer wrote:
to all those still needing have a regular smoke, get one bottle of higher nic juice for those times. Keep one carto/clearo/tank whatever filled with the high nic juice and use it when you need that extra bump. Also different flavors and different levels of vg/pg have harsher throat hits than others.
Same thing here man I totally feel you.
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On November 24 2013 00:24 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2013 00:17 Ghostcom wrote:On November 24 2013 00:07 shaftofpleasure wrote:On November 24 2013 00:04 Maindi wrote:On November 23 2013 23:45 shaftofpleasure wrote:On November 23 2013 23:25 Maindi wrote:On November 23 2013 22:51 shaftofpleasure wrote:On November 23 2013 21:43 Wegandi wrote:On November 23 2013 21:29 shaftofpleasure wrote:
try smearing that fluid on any painted surfaces and see if it causes a reaction .. if it does, think about it. What does this have to do with anything? Water is one of the best solvents known, yet are you going to argue it is highly dangerous because of its chemical properties? There are also very toxic substances you don't want to ingest or inhale that have no reaction, but in your view they'd be just ok? Ok then.... just a thought to ponder about .. dude I smoke cigarettes, but trading a poison for another more expensive poison and call it 'healthy' or 'healthier' is bullshit .. First of all it's not more expensive. Second, what do you mean it's bullshit to call it healthier? It doesn't have the tar and other stuff that really fuck up your lungs. I can tell from my own experience that I feel alot healthier and after switching to e-cigs. I can breathe easier and actually taste and smell things. Sure, e-cigs aren't 100% healthy for you; some studies have showed that the vapor does include toxic substances but at like 1:10 ratio compared to analog cigarettes and we don't have proper studies that show the long term effects of using them. Because it's not 'healthier'. You want to be 'healthier'? stop puffing smoke. Remember that time when doctors were telling people that smoking tobacco was good? was beneficial? And how smoking weed is medicinal? No those are not healthy alternatives. Inhaling smoke is not healthy. Masking e-cigs as 'healthier' for you is bullshit. You have a really weird definition of healthier. If you compare two products which have some harmful effects on you but the latter one has less of them you wouldn't call it the healthier option? If you go to a restaurant and there are two options: a pepperoni pizza and a veggy dish, you wouldn't call the veggy dish healthier? You are basing this on the fact that you tried it and assessed what you feel about it rather than actual health experts tell what the real deal is. It may make you feel better but that doesn't always mean it is healthier. and that, from what I see, is the problem. No, every health expert out there currently agrees that by virtue of there being no tar, e-cigs are healthier than traditional cigarettes. Neither are actually healthy and we have little clue about the long-term effects of e-cigs. Obviously this is going to be the case for something that hasn't been used long-term. But I've seen little to no evidence of why they should cause any damage.
Literally first 2 hits on google:
Expert Q&A with the CDC:
http://www.webmd.com/smoking-cessation/news/20131112/e-cigarettes-cdc?page=2
Study showing nicotine to be associated with insulin resistance and hyperinsulinemia:
http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/94/5/878.full
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On January 04 2010 08:08 esla_sol wrote:
i tried blucigs for a few weeks. really hurt my throat, and i found myself constantly smoking them. relieves some of the tension but i still wanted to smoke normal cigs, which i ended up doing. they give a refund up to 30 days that i didnt have any major issues with, but it is a hassle.
Blue Cigs are the worst type of E-Cig. People, dont paint all e-cigs the same because there is a wide variety out there. And some are just so mighty fanfucktastic. I dont even smoke or do e-cigs but trying one was wicked.
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On November 24 2013 00:36 Ghostcom wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2013 00:24 marvellosity wrote:On November 24 2013 00:17 Ghostcom wrote:On November 24 2013 00:07 shaftofpleasure wrote:On November 24 2013 00:04 Maindi wrote:On November 23 2013 23:45 shaftofpleasure wrote:On November 23 2013 23:25 Maindi wrote:On November 23 2013 22:51 shaftofpleasure wrote:On November 23 2013 21:43 Wegandi wrote:On November 23 2013 21:29 shaftofpleasure wrote:
try smearing that fluid on any painted surfaces and see if it causes a reaction .. if it does, think about it. What does this have to do with anything? Water is one of the best solvents known, yet are you going to argue it is highly dangerous because of its chemical properties? There are also very toxic substances you don't want to ingest or inhale that have no reaction, but in your view they'd be just ok? Ok then.... just a thought to ponder about .. dude I smoke cigarettes, but trading a poison for another more expensive poison and call it 'healthy' or 'healthier' is bullshit .. First of all it's not more expensive. Second, what do you mean it's bullshit to call it healthier? It doesn't have the tar and other stuff that really fuck up your lungs. I can tell from my own experience that I feel alot healthier and after switching to e-cigs. I can breathe easier and actually taste and smell things. Sure, e-cigs aren't 100% healthy for you; some studies have showed that the vapor does include toxic substances but at like 1:10 ratio compared to analog cigarettes and we don't have proper studies that show the long term effects of using them. Because it's not 'healthier'. You want to be 'healthier'? stop puffing smoke. Remember that time when doctors were telling people that smoking tobacco was good? was beneficial? And how smoking weed is medicinal? No those are not healthy alternatives. Inhaling smoke is not healthy. Masking e-cigs as 'healthier' for you is bullshit. You have a really weird definition of healthier. If you compare two products which have some harmful effects on you but the latter one has less of them you wouldn't call it the healthier option? If you go to a restaurant and there are two options: a pepperoni pizza and a veggy dish, you wouldn't call the veggy dish healthier? You are basing this on the fact that you tried it and assessed what you feel about it rather than actual health experts tell what the real deal is. It may make you feel better but that doesn't always mean it is healthier. and that, from what I see, is the problem. No, every health expert out there currently agrees that by virtue of there being no tar, e-cigs are healthier than traditional cigarettes. Neither are actually healthy and we have little clue about the long-term effects of e-cigs. Obviously this is going to be the case for something that hasn't been used long-term. But I've seen little to no evidence of why they should cause any damage. Literally first 2 hits on google: Expert Q&A with the CDC: http://www.webmd.com/smoking-cessation/news/20131112/e-cigarettes-cdc?page=2Study showing nicotine to be associated with insulin resistance and hyperinsulinemia: http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/94/5/878.full
So from the first link we have: some e-cigs have small levels of carcinogens, some don't (mostly don't anymore, for their own commercial survivability)
Nicotine affects the fetus and adolescent brain
and... that's it.
Nothing in the CDC Q&A suggests why there should be longterm damage outside of these extremely narrow parameters (unnecessarily dangerous e-cigs, fetus/adolescent brain).
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On November 24 2013 00:50 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2013 00:36 Ghostcom wrote:On November 24 2013 00:24 marvellosity wrote:On November 24 2013 00:17 Ghostcom wrote:On November 24 2013 00:07 shaftofpleasure wrote:On November 24 2013 00:04 Maindi wrote:On November 23 2013 23:45 shaftofpleasure wrote:On November 23 2013 23:25 Maindi wrote:On November 23 2013 22:51 shaftofpleasure wrote:On November 23 2013 21:43 Wegandi wrote:
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What does this have to do with anything? Water is one of the best solvents known, yet are you going to argue it is highly dangerous because of its chemical properties? There are also very toxic substances you don't want to ingest or inhale that have no reaction, but in your view they'd be just ok? Ok then....
just a thought to ponder about .. dude I smoke cigarettes, but trading a poison for another more expensive poison and call it 'healthy' or 'healthier' is bullshit .. First of all it's not more expensive. Second, what do you mean it's bullshit to call it healthier? It doesn't have the tar and other stuff that really fuck up your lungs. I can tell from my own experience that I feel alot healthier and after switching to e-cigs. I can breathe easier and actually taste and smell things. Sure, e-cigs aren't 100% healthy for you; some studies have showed that the vapor does include toxic substances but at like 1:10 ratio compared to analog cigarettes and we don't have proper studies that show the long term effects of using them. Because it's not 'healthier'. You want to be 'healthier'? stop puffing smoke. Remember that time when doctors were telling people that smoking tobacco was good? was beneficial? And how smoking weed is medicinal? No those are not healthy alternatives. Inhaling smoke is not healthy. Masking e-cigs as 'healthier' for you is bullshit. You have a really weird definition of healthier. If you compare two products which have some harmful effects on you but the latter one has less of them you wouldn't call it the healthier option? If you go to a restaurant and there are two options: a pepperoni pizza and a veggy dish, you wouldn't call the veggy dish healthier? You are basing this on the fact that you tried it and assessed what you feel about it rather than actual health experts tell what the real deal is. It may make you feel better but that doesn't always mean it is healthier. and that, from what I see, is the problem. No, every health expert out there currently agrees that by virtue of there being no tar, e-cigs are healthier than traditional cigarettes. Neither are actually healthy and we have little clue about the long-term effects of e-cigs. Obviously this is going to be the case for something that hasn't been used long-term. But I've seen little to no evidence of why they should cause any damage. Literally first 2 hits on google: Expert Q&A with the CDC: http://www.webmd.com/smoking-cessation/news/20131112/e-cigarettes-cdc?page=2Study showing nicotine to be associated with insulin resistance and hyperinsulinemia: http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/94/5/878.full So from the first link we have: some e-cigs have small levels of carcinogens, some don't (mostly don't anymore, for their own commercial survivability) Nicotine affects the fetus and adolescent brain and... that's it. Nothing in the CDC Q&A suggests why there should be longterm damage outside of these extremely narrow parameters (unnecessarily dangerous e-cigs, fetus/adolescent brain).
Yes, I chose to respond to 2 of your 3 consecutive posts in one - I know it is a revolutionizing concept, but I'm sure if we all pull together we can manage.
Considering how the e-cig market isn't currently regulated on the same level as tobacco I wouldn't call it "extremely narrow parameters" as the consumer really has zero way of telling which contains these carcinogens.
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But the issue itself is with sub-par e-cigarettes, not e-cigarettes which, when made properly, do not contain carcinogens - which is kinda the point.
I'd be all in favour of greater testing so that with whatever you buy you know exactly what you're getting.
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On November 24 2013 00:53 Ghostcom wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2013 00:50 marvellosity wrote:On November 24 2013 00:36 Ghostcom wrote:On November 24 2013 00:24 marvellosity wrote:On November 24 2013 00:17 Ghostcom wrote:On November 24 2013 00:07 shaftofpleasure wrote:On November 24 2013 00:04 Maindi wrote:On November 23 2013 23:45 shaftofpleasure wrote:On November 23 2013 23:25 Maindi wrote:On November 23 2013 22:51 shaftofpleasure wrote:
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just a thought to ponder about .. dude I smoke cigarettes, but trading a poison for another more expensive poison and call it 'healthy' or 'healthier' is bullshit .. First of all it's not more expensive. Second, what do you mean it's bullshit to call it healthier? It doesn't have the tar and other stuff that really fuck up your lungs. I can tell from my own experience that I feel alot healthier and after switching to e-cigs. I can breathe easier and actually taste and smell things. Sure, e-cigs aren't 100% healthy for you; some studies have showed that the vapor does include toxic substances but at like 1:10 ratio compared to analog cigarettes and we don't have proper studies that show the long term effects of using them. Because it's not 'healthier'. You want to be 'healthier'? stop puffing smoke. Remember that time when doctors were telling people that smoking tobacco was good? was beneficial? And how smoking weed is medicinal? No those are not healthy alternatives. Inhaling smoke is not healthy. Masking e-cigs as 'healthier' for you is bullshit. You have a really weird definition of healthier. If you compare two products which have some harmful effects on you but the latter one has less of them you wouldn't call it the healthier option? If you go to a restaurant and there are two options: a pepperoni pizza and a veggy dish, you wouldn't call the veggy dish healthier? You are basing this on the fact that you tried it and assessed what you feel about it rather than actual health experts tell what the real deal is. It may make you feel better but that doesn't always mean it is healthier. and that, from what I see, is the problem. No, every health expert out there currently agrees that by virtue of there being no tar, e-cigs are healthier than traditional cigarettes. Neither are actually healthy and we have little clue about the long-term effects of e-cigs. Obviously this is going to be the case for something that hasn't been used long-term. But I've seen little to no evidence of why they should cause any damage. Literally first 2 hits on google: Expert Q&A with the CDC: http://www.webmd.com/smoking-cessation/news/20131112/e-cigarettes-cdc?page=2Study showing nicotine to be associated with insulin resistance and hyperinsulinemia: http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/94/5/878.full So from the first link we have: some e-cigs have small levels of carcinogens, some don't (mostly don't anymore, for their own commercial survivability) Nicotine affects the fetus and adolescent brain and... that's it. Nothing in the CDC Q&A suggests why there should be longterm damage outside of these extremely narrow parameters (unnecessarily dangerous e-cigs, fetus/adolescent brain). Yes, I chose to respond to 2 of your 3 consecutive posts in one - I know it is a revolutionizing concept, but I'm sure if we all pull together we can manage. Considering how the e-cig market isn't currently regulated on the same level as tobacco I wouldn't call it "extremely narrow parameters" as the consumer really has zero way of telling which contains these carcinogens.
Except that some vendors do actually test their products in labs. And there's also this thing. Even if some liquids contain carcinogens doesn't mean that all ecigs are bad and have carcinogens, only the bad ones do.
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Has anyone tried the Pax by Ploom?
Mine should arrive on Tuesday and I can't wait to use it.
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