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BuGzlToOnl
United States5918 Posts
Empires have fallen and risen all throughout human civilization. Even thou were a thousand times more technologically advanced than we ever were our basic human emotions haven't changed much. Especially in regards to greed and power. Questions are good. If nothing is found then nothing is found, but don't be so stupid as to follow without question. | ||
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searcher
277 Posts
On November 26 2009 17:13 Marine50 wrote: 1. Anyone who writes anything about conspiracies gets flamed by idiots (many in this thread) and as a result does not because a 'reputable historian'. 2. Do you really think someone will authorize a biography about themselves if it is full of negative/incriminating evidence? -_- lol, have you even looked at the 9/11 conspiracy evidence? There is more evidence suggesting the American government was involved then any other country Maybe those conspiracy theorists are reputable historians then. But what makes them more reputable than all the other authors of biographies of Bush? And your second comment is just fail, it's not actually saying what I said back to me. The onus is on you to prove this conspiracy theory is true, not me to prove it's false. But in the end, what's the point in debating this, just wait 30 years and like Operation Northwood the documents will be declassified and you'll all celebrate and tell us how you were telling us from the beginning. I'm sure any minute now the Bilderberg Group will unleash their one world government on us, they've just been screwing around in fancy hotels for 55 years doing nothing. Also, when will the thousands of astrophysicists and geologists give up and acknowledge that they've just been pretending to study grey dust samples all along, and that we've never actually been to the moon? Most of these scientists are probably Jews as well - what has Hitler been telling us all this time? Surely the US government have had enough time with the downed UFOs, can it do any harm to make them public now? I wonder if Paul McCartney will reveal on his deathbed that he has been a body double to replace the real Paul in 1966? Anyway, this whole New World Order can't come sooner, it will be cool to see who our Antichrist leader is, it's such a pity that they're taking their time with it, it must be quite demoralizing for those who have died without ever seeing their plans for world domination come about in any meaningful way. | ||
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Masamune
Canada3401 Posts
On November 26 2009 17:16 I_Love_Bacon wrote: Just to add my own comment on the conspiracy... I love the comments that arise such as "engineers can't agree" or "physicists can't agree" on part X or Y. Well guess what, only 9 out of 10 of dentists recommend the toothbrush I currently use. Maybe the last 1 believe that this toothbrush will make my right foot grow 6 inches in width. Guess what? The laws of physics don't agree with how we were told the towers fell and how they actually did fall. | ||
TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
If 9/11 had been a successful government conspiracy, it would be one of the rare events that the government actually effectively carried out its mission (wayward as it would be) and also managed to keep it all wrapped up in secrecy. | ||
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Masamune
Canada3401 Posts
On November 26 2009 17:42 TanGeng wrote: Well 9/11 is probably just incompetence. Then the central government had the gall to blackmail the US into spending more money on security and going to war in Iraq. If 9/11 had been a successful government conspiracy, it would be one of the rare events that the government actually effectively carried out its mission (wayward as it would be) and also managed to keep it all wrapped up in secrecy. But they didn't manage to keep it all wrapped up in secrecy. Hence Loose Change and every other piece of evidence against it. Why do people use this line of reasoning? If the government had covered it up successfully, people wouldn't contest it as much. | ||
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mdb
Bulgaria4059 Posts
At first I was also very sceptical about all these conspiracy theories, but its pretty obvious now that USA actualy benefits for it ( US companies winning the oil contracts in Iraq for example). | ||
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Badjas
Netherlands2038 Posts
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BuGzlToOnl
United States5918 Posts
On November 26 2009 17:45 Badjas wrote: I'd like the debris of the 9/11 accident to be studied by multiple parties in some kind of peer review process, but can anyone tell me where that debris went? They built a ship out of it. http://www.ussnewyork.com/ | ||
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TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
And when I say keeping it wrapped up in secrecy, I'm not talking about conspiracy theorists challenging the official story. I'm talking about conspirators coming forward and owning up to it. We're still not that far removed from the event. So if it's a conspiracy, I'd give it another 10 years for someone to come forward. | ||
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Choros
Australia530 Posts
On November 26 2009 17:02 searcher wrote: Choros, unsurprisingly your whole post smacks of the very misinformation you try to bring to light. Operation Northwood has nothing about flying planes into buildings (at least according to the wiki page you linked). Few people have heard about the Business Plot, and for good reason, reputable historians have discarded the idea that it was a serious coup, one historian on the page you linked putting it as simply "influence peddling by a small core of financiers". All your other claims are not corroborated with actual evidence except an "unauthorized" biography of Bush Snr. Precisely why is this unauthorized biography a more legitimate source than other biographies by reputable historians who come to pedestrian but reasonable conclusions about what happened? If you're serious about history, go out and read some books, do some research, find original documents, find out for yourself. Don't just read bullshit online to feed your sensationalist appetite. All the Authorized biographies of Bush are written out of a page of two of dot points that have been authorised. The Authorised biographies make no mention of his time in the CIA, Bush even said he was never part of the CIA even though he was the head of it for a year or so. The authorised biographies are whitewashes that disguise the truth about this devious man. Ofcourse the Wiki article about the Business plot says basically nothing. The people behind this coup attempt were powerful indeed probably including the infamous Rockefeller dynasty. The people involved were so powerful they say too it no one was braught to justice and saw to it that this issue was effectively brushed under the carpet even though it was a very important part of the history of the United States. Likewise do you ever hear the Iran-Contra scandal discussed even though the implications of this are so serious. How can you seriously tell me that a plan to carry out false flag terrorist attacks in order to justify war is irrelevant to 9/11? Why don't you go and read a book? Reading just the introduction to the biography I mentioned would be a good place to start http://www.tarpley.net/bushint.htm.An extensive explanation of how the official biographies of Bush are deceptive is contained in this introduction, definitely worth the read. | ||
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Choros
Australia530 Posts
On November 26 2009 17:45 Masamune wrote: But they didn't manage to keep it all wrapped up in secrecy. Hence Loose Change and every other piece of evidence against it. Why do people use this line of reasoning? If the government had covered it up successfully, people wouldn't contest it as much. The government knows that no matter how obvious it is most people will still believe the official story. In plane sight so they say. Heed the words of Joseph Goebbels; “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” And what better way to defend a lie than by simply ridiculing anybody who questions the official story and by refusing to look at any of the evidence because anyone who says otherwise believes that the moon landing was staged.... There have been some whistle blowers by the way like the guy in the official 9/11 commission who resigned in disgust because the Government would not let him look at any evidence and would edit everything he wrote and the high ranking intelligence official who came out and said that he had come across this conspiracy before it happened only to be shut down by the CIA who were defending the Terrorists. You are aware that the CIA flew Bin Laden's brothers out of the US on a private Jet immediately after the attacks? Yet another interesting piece of evidence suggesting something is not quite right. | ||
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furymonkey
New Zealand1587 Posts
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Choros
Australia530 Posts
On November 26 2009 18:22 furymonkey wrote: So your saying Osama Bin Laden works for US governament? I doubt any terrorist group will come forward to take the responsibility they hasn't done, you think they will just cooperate so their land get invaded? Osama Bin Laden did work for the US government back in the 1980's this is not in question. I personally think that Bin Laden was not responsible for the attacks in anyway however he just got blamed for it. The Pakistani intelligence agency however took Saudi money and handed it over to Terrorists so maybe they had something to do with it. Incidentally the former head of the ISI (Pakistani intelligence) said in a CNN interview he had no doubt 9/11 was an inside job. | ||
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PanN
United States2828 Posts
On November 26 2009 18:27 Choros wrote: Osama Bin Laden did work for the US government back in the 1980's this is not in question. I personally think that Bin Laden was not responsible for the attacks in anyway however he just got blamed for it. The Pakistani intelligence agency however took Saudi money and handed it over to Terrorists so maybe they had something to do with it. Incidentally the former head of the ISI (Pakistani intelligence) said in a CNN interview he had no doubt 9/11 was an inside job. I want 100% undeniable proof that 9/11 was an "inside job". Can I get this plz? | ||
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Pseudo_Utopia
Canada827 Posts
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KwarK
United States43136 Posts
On November 26 2009 16:33 Kuja900 wrote: huh i never noticed the number 911 and the date 9/11 were the same until I read this thread, sorry lol moment of zen ^_^. Think that's coincidence? Really? | ||
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Choros
Australia530 Posts
On November 26 2009 18:29 PanN wrote: I want 100% undeniable proof that 9/11 was an "inside job". Can I get this plz? Sure, how about the fact that it is physically impossible for the buildings to collapse from the fuel fires alone. I would refer you to architects and engineers for 9/11 truth for more information. http://www.ae911truth.org/ Edit: This interview is good to watch regarding my above comment http://www.ae911truth.org/omnitv_interview.htm. | ||
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Badjas
Netherlands2038 Posts
Oh I get it! And now people who say that evidence got destroyed are anti-patriotic... (It's still a cool idea separate from that issue.) | ||
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Badjas
Netherlands2038 Posts
On November 26 2009 18:48 Choros wrote: Sure, how about the fact that it is physically impossible for the buildings to collapse from the fuel fires alone. I would refer you to architects and engineers for 9/11 truth for more information. http://www.ae911truth.org/ Another nice joke is how they thought the steel structure would melt from the flames, but those ten or so passports from terrorists _inside_ the plane didn't burn to a crisp. I'd believe it of course if it weren't just the government handing out the info. | ||
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FusionCutter
Canada974 Posts
On November 26 2009 15:35 Choros wrote: People like you are sickening. The notion that we should completely ignore all evidence because 'no conspiracy theory has ever or will ever be true' is utterly absurd. History is riddled with conspiracies from start to finish at the very least their arguments are historically fallacious, conspiracy denies urgently need to grow up. Are you not aware of the declassified operation Northwoods http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods the plan to fly planes into buildings in Florida, blame it on Cuba and then invade? Apparently they thought this plan was good enough to hold onto. Are you not aware of the Nazi coup attempt in the United States in 1933. The attempt to overthrow the Government of Franklin Roosevelt that only failed because marine corps Major General Smedley Butler the man chosen to lead the coup blew the whistle at the last minute. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot Prescott Bush the grand daddy of the recent president Bush was involved in this plot. Prescott was a convicted Nazi prosecuted under trading with the enemy act. The Bush family fortune was built by profiteering from concentration camps. George Herbert Walker Bush joined the CIA and was deeply involved in the vicious terrorist campaigns waged against central American nations especially Cuba. Bush senior was a cold blooded terrorist as is described in a couple of very good unauthorised biographies of the man including 'Bush the unauthorized biography' (available to read for free online at www.tarpley.net and 'family of secrets' http://www.familyofsecrets.com/buy-now/) During the 1980's a secret Government was uncovered within the United States in the Iran-Contra debacle, first it was uncovered that the United States and Israel were smuggling arms to Iran against their own arms embargo. Later during investigation it was discovered that the Reagan Administration (with Bush sr as vice president) were sending planes with guns to the Terrorist Contras in Nicaragua and the planes would fly back with drugs. The Government was caught out running drugs for guns trades with Terrorists at the same time as predending to wage a 'war against drugs'. The organisation that was uncovered during this scandal had their own private army, navy, air force and intelligence assets that were being deployed for ends that are criminal to say the least. Both these scandals the Nazi coup of 1933, and the Iran-Contra scandal revealed the dark underbelly of the American power structure but no body was charged with treason, nobody was brought to justice and it is this same group of diabolical villains who were behind the 9/11 attacks amongst other events I have not discussed. The criticism that 'anyone who believes 9/11 was a conspiracy believes the moon landing is fake' is a nothing argument that only discredits the morons who make this claim as these two conspiracy theories have NOTHING to do with one another. I suppose next you will be telling me that Julius Caesar was not killed in a conspiracy but fell over backwards on a dozen knives? For god sake know your history, if you know the history of the events I have described here you will find that the 9/11 plot is just the latest chapter of an evolving story, the saga of the 'fall of the republic'. Don't bother to blame the conspirators blame the conspiracy deniers because it is only through the efforts of these small minded loud mouthed buffoons who refuse to look at any evidence and reject even the possibility that the rich and powerful might not have our best interests at heart that allow these travesties to take place. Only after the conspiracy deniers wake up may this world finally enjoy peace. Post of the thread. I'll add my own contribution. Gulf of Tonkin Incident anyone?! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_Incident This damned lie started the Vietnam War. | ||
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