Swine flu vaccine - Page 6

On November 22 2009 09:31 Mango wrote:@ Captain Mayhem:

Compared to the normal flue young people have a higher chance of dying. That combined with the higher infection rate creates a risk for that group as well compared to the normal flu.

On November 22 2009 09:41 Captain Mayhem wrote:

Hehe, I'm not gonna believe you until I see some proof It's near impossible for me to find a credible source that says the swine flu is more lethal than the regular one (apart from being more easily caught), so I'm afraid I must ask one of you to be able to agree.

I don't doubt you that much, though. That chart was mainly for the people/person who said that the younger people who get infected are more likely to die than the older who are. So, it was a older vs younger comparison. Not a H1N1 vs seasonal flu comparison.

On November 22 2009 11:30 Zinbiel wrote:

You do realize that your wonderful pie-chart actually proves my point, not the other way around? I said it is more dangerous for young people than the normal flu. Your pie-chart has more than 50% of the deaths in the age group 0-49. Since I'm lazy I won't find you a pie-chart for the seasonal flu for you but I dare you to find one with more than 20% deaths in the aforementioned age group.

On November 22 2009 09:31 Mango wrote:
Also a med student here.

In my oppinion you should just read Zinbiel's post as a summary, it explains the whole situation correctly in a nice manner.

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But who do you believe on the internet?

And your previous post about risks of getting mexican flu by the vaccination: it's a dead version of the virus they give you, with dead meaning you ain't getting the flu from it.

@ Captain Mayhem:

Compared to the normal flue young people have a higher chance of dying. That combined with the higher infection rate creates a risk for that group as well compared to the normal flu.


Now I did get the vaccination as well and didn't have any side-effects from it besides a stiff arm for a day. But the vaccination is for free here, so why would you not get it? The risks of the vaccination are severly overrated, they used the same basis as all other vaccinations you got already, and you are still alive right?
Do I think the virus is the most potent danger for the human race ever? Hell no, but I prefer having a stiff arm for a day over some serious flu infection.

“It’s interesting to note that the President’s children have not gotten their shots and the explanation for this is it hasn’t been available to them – now that’s a little bit hard to buy when you think that probably anything the President wants can be available for their children,” said Paul, adding, “So in a way he’s made his decision not to give his children these inoculations – so if he has freedom of choice on this, I would like to make sure that all the American people have the same amount of freedom of choice.”

Others have echoed similar sentiments. “Surely if there is a national emergency and if the President and First Lady of the United States wanted flu shots for their daughters, they could get them. It is certainly connected to our national security right? I mean the president needs to have his wits about him 24/7 not worrying over sick children. Could this instead be yet another case of “do as I say, not as I do” from the Obama administration?” writes Cathryn Friar.

Paul compared Obama’s hypocrisy to politicians who lobby for the virtues of public education yet in every instance educate their own children privately.

“The biggest champions of public education make sure their kids never get public education, they always get private education where there’s a lot better choices than the kind of system they’re promoting,” said the Congressman.

Obama certainly isn’t stupid enough to inject his own kids with the same toxic soup that he encourages the idiot public to receive, and will probably be keen on getting access to the special additive-free swine flu shots produced by Baxter International that have been made available for the elite.

As Spiegel Online reported earlier this month, German Chancellor Angela Merkel and government ministers received a mercury and squalene-free H1N1 vaccine. “The Vakzin [vaccine] does not contain disputed additives — contrary to the vaccine for the remainder of the population,” reported the newspaper. Soldiers in the German army were also given the adjuvant-free vaccine.

Employees of the Paul Ehrlich Institute in Germany also received the “green” inoculation after their president Johannes Löwer labeled the vaccine a greater threat than the virus itself.

Löwer’s comment came after German lung specialist Wolfgang Wodarg said the vaccine increases the risk of cancer. The nutrient solution for the vaccine consists of cancerous cells from animals.

On November 22 2009 11:56 Captain Mayhem wrote:

1: Consider how big the distribution is in the age groups. It has been stated earlier in the thread that young people catch the swine flu easier.
2: Consider how many people there are in each group. I don't think half of the world's population is over 50 years old, to be honest. Do you?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Median_age.png

On November 23 2009 08:38 amoxicilline wrote:



You're really talking about things you don't know.

Young people ( <49 years old) don't die from regular flu. Your chart is showing half of the dead people are young. H1N1 will kill less people than regular flu, but old weak people die from regular flu every year, and from every single other kind of infections. Young don't, that 's where is the difference. Still the risk of dying from getting H1N1 is still low , but personnaly I'd prefer not to take it.