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CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
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TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
Whether or not the vaccine is worth it depends on the duration of immunity, the severity of the disease, and the severity of vaccination risks. It wouldn't make sense if the vaccine only helped the recipient for two weeks. It wouldn't make sense for a disease that had mild symptoms and could be treated easily in any other way. It also wouldn't make sense if the vaccine causes nearly as much pain and suffering as the disease it is designed to prevent. For H1N1: The flu isn't that severe compared to other strains of flu. It's just that people haven't ever been exposed to it before so not many people have developed immunities. Its spread through the population is almost over if some of these numbers are to be believed so duration of immunity would be very short. The risks associated with getting the vaccine is high since its development has been so rushed. At this point, there is pretty much no compelling reason to get the vaccine. | ||
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Fen
Australia1848 Posts
Talk to your doctor, not someone on the internet. Seriously. Would you go ask some random person in the street about advice when building a bridge? No, you would ask an engineer. Every man and his dog thinks they know enough about medicine to give worthwhile advice, and its total bullshit.The media will do whatever they can to get ratings, which include extremely biased reports, so dont listen to their bullshit either. If you are worried/curious, ask someone who ACTUALLY knows what they are talking about. | ||
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TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
Doctors might be medical professionals but it doesn't mean that they aren't trying to sell you something that you might not need. Advice on the internet also doesn't cost any money to get unlike your visit to the doctors. The internet wouldn't be nearly as popular if everyone thought that advice should be bought out of people. | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
On November 22 2009 02:35 Fen wrote: Havent read this thread, so if its been said before, Im going to repeat it again. Talk to your doctor, not someone on the internet. Seriously. Would you go ask some random person in the street about advice when building a bridge? No, you would ask an engineer. Every man and his dog thinks they know enough about medicine to give worthwhile advice, and its total bullshit.The media will do whatever they can to get ratings, which include extremely biased reports, so dont listen to their bullshit either. If you are worried/curious, ask someone who ACTUALLY knows what they are talking about. Uh, I have the vaccine, I didn't ask for advice because the doctor said it was going to happend. Also, I was just trying to tell other people to be prepared for it when they recieved the vaccine. | ||
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LastWish
2013 Posts
Well if you still hit it and later die at least you help the evolution - weak genes won't pass on. That was a little sarcastic but since people had started to use antibiotics and vaccines on daily bases they have doomed theirselves. Still I think it's again all about money - as most things that happen in the world these days. Firstly, to prevent mass system failure caused by many people sick. Scondly, for pharmacy companies to make big profit. | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
On November 22 2009 04:53 LastWish wrote: I think that each time you go out the chances you get a swine flu would be somewhere around hitting a royal flush. Well if you still hit it and later die at least you help the evolution - weak genes won't pass on. That was a little sarcastic but since people had started to use antibiotics and vaccines on daily bases they have doomed theirselves. Still I think it's again all about money - as most things that happen in the world these days. Firstly, to prevent mass system failure caused by many people sick. Scondly, for pharmacy companies to make big profit. Has nothing to do with my health (haven't been ill since spring it's just that I have asthma) Wow many of you guys are really ignorant. | ||
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0neder
United States3733 Posts
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lFrost
United States295 Posts
also vaccination is one of the best ways to develop resistance to disease. when you get vaccinated, they are injecting dead viral proteins into you ( or weakened live virus for nasal sprays) which your body can easily deal with. obviously you might not want to do this if you know that you're already immuno-compromised. getting vaccinated helps your body develop its humoral response agaisnt that specific virus by creating memory cells the first time it sees that antigen. if you were to get infected a 2nd time, your body is already primed to make antibodies against that virus so you do not develop the disease. | ||
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Captain Mayhem
Sweden774 Posts
Speaking as a nay sayer, I almost feel that the other side *likes* to be scared... Deep inside. Anyway, I've tried to come up with some unbiased facts and statistics about this thing, to see if this discussion might start going somewhere. http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/images/qa_deaths.gif I recall someone saying that younger people had a higher risk of dying. I think this pie chart should at least disprove that point. Swedish: http://www.krisinformation.se/web/StartPage____31105.aspx Basically it says that the difference between H1N1 and the seasonal flu is that more will be infected, due to it being another kind of flu. The symptoms are similar, i.e. fever and breathing problems. English http://www.who.int/csr/disease/swineflu/frequently_asked_questions/about_disease/en/index.html I hope the World Health Organization is a good enough source for y'all. | ||
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Vedic
United States582 Posts
On November 22 2009 04:53 LastWish wrote: I think that each time you go out the chances you get a swine flu would be somewhere around hitting a royal flush. Well if you still hit it and later die at least you help the evolution - weak genes won't pass on. That was a little sarcastic but since people had started to use antibiotics and vaccines on daily bases they have doomed theirselves. Still I think it's again all about money - as most things that happen in the world these days. Firstly, to prevent mass system failure caused by many people sick. Scondly, for pharmacy companies to make big profit. Following the statistics of the seasonal flu, you have a 5-20% chance of catching any flu. I believe you are thinking of the chance of you dying to H1N1, which is roughly 12x less likely than dying to a bolt of lightning. You're only slightly more likely to die to the seasonal flu than to lightning, even. | ||
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Hypnosis
United States2061 Posts
On November 21 2009 01:16 amoxicilline wrote: I don't think you're qualified to advise people about having or not the vaccine, doctors are. It has side effects , like every vaccine , like any medication. ( personnaly my shoulder hurt a bit for about 24 hours). The H1N1 can be dangerous (death) for everybody, even young people with no chronic disease. (older people are kind of immune because they were in contact with the virus years ago). It has already killed people. I don't think there is a case of someone whose life was in danger because of the vaccine. So if I can advise people, do the vaccine. Well considering your name is amoxicilline you have an obvious bias but still a valid point :D. I never get flu shots or vaccine other than the ones i had as a kid (cant change that) an I have been sick twice in the last 5 years, both times lasting about a day and a half, both were mild colds. The best way to not get sick is to eat healthy and that's the bottom line. | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
On November 22 2009 08:41 Captain Mayhem wrote: Hah, seems I made the right choice to gtfo... Both sides utterly REFUSE to believe anything the other side has to say. One says it's 10 times deadlier than regular flu, the other says it's actually weaker. Next one says it's deadlier yet again, and someone counters by saying it's not. And nearly everyone wants the rest to do the hard work by looking up sources or take their word for it. (I admit I did the same. Sorry) Speaking as a nay sayer, I almost feel that the other side *likes* to be scared... Deep inside. Anyway, I've tried to come up with some unbiased facts and statistics about this thing, to see if this discussion might start going somewhere. http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/images/qa_deaths.gif I recall someone saying that younger people had a higher risk of dying. I think this pie chart should at least disprove that point. Do you see why that chart is fake? + Show Spoiler + LOOK AT THE AMOUNT OF DEATHS THE CHART IS BASED ON. | ||
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Captain Mayhem
Sweden774 Posts
On November 22 2009 09:01 Integra wrote: Do you see why that chart is fake? + Show Spoiler + LOOK AT THE AMOUNT OF DEATHS THE CHART IS BASED ON. Look at the time space. | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
I did and your point is? | ||
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Captain Mayhem
Sweden774 Posts
I'm wondering what yours is. How does the death count make it appear fake? Are the CDC lying then? | ||
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NeonFlare
Finland1307 Posts
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Snet
United States3573 Posts
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Mango
Belgium522 Posts
In my oppinion you should just read Zinbiel's post as a summary, it explains the whole situation correctly in a nice manner. + Show Spoiler + On November 22 2009 03:28 TanGeng wrote: Taking to everyone is by far the better idea, although you will have to use proper judgement on discounting or discrediting the opinions of certain peoples. Doctors might be medical professionals but it doesn't mean that they aren't trying to sell you something that you might not need. Advice on the internet also doesn't cost any money to get unlike your visit to the doctors. The internet wouldn't be nearly as popular if everyone thought that advice should be bought out of people. But who do you believe on the internet? And your previous post about risks of getting mexican flu by the vaccination: it's a dead version of the virus they give you, with dead meaning you ain't getting the flu from it. @ Captain Mayhem: Compared to the normal flue young people have a higher chance of dying. That combined with the higher infection rate creates a risk for that group as well compared to the normal flu. Now I did get the vaccination as well and didn't have any side-effects from it besides a stiff arm for a day. But the vaccination is for free here, so why would you not get it? The risks of the vaccination are severly overrated, they used the same basis as all other vaccinations you got already, and you are still alive right? Do I think the virus is the most potent danger for the human race ever? Hell no, but I prefer having a stiff arm for a day over some serious flu infection. | ||
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Assault_1
Canada1950 Posts
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