I have no sympathy for the flu as I've never had one in 20 years of my life experience or vaccinated for any flu unless it was when I was a child people just; people just need to be dirty children more it's how I built up my immune system
The mortality rate of the flu is projected to be no higher than the mortality rate of any given seasonal flu it's just that this flu is a different strain so that's a higher infection rate with us the people getting sick and thus the people dying or becoming agitated or whatever it's higher; strictly speaking just the numbers not in percentage or ratio people basically not in context this flu sucks.
As far as getting vaccines; vaccines help you fight the flu for the rest of your life or something similar to that flu so not getting vaccine when one easily can and seems like poor decision making and just not the chance of something bad happening is fairly remote and unless you are like those parents that blame vaccines for their child's autism you should have no reason not to get the vaccine that isn't to some extent irrational if one readily can get the vaccine.
I have too much on my mind to get sick at the moment - so i would get the vaccine if i could. If this semester was like any other and i didn't have 15 buddies comming over to help me and my GF move to the 5th floor on saturday i wouldn't even consider getting it.
The reason is, that i am currently working with a study conserning how mercury (And other heavy metals) can affect your brain tissue in the long run (In this study related to alzheimer's).. And i'ts not looking good.
nobody finding it strange that its baxter who manufactures and profits on the vaccine? the same company who made vaccines against the bird flu and "accidentally" shipped a load of vaccines _infected_ with bird flu? I normally dont care much about conspiracy theories, but when facts stack up like this its just hard to ignore. Imo its hugely probable that the swine flu came out of baxters laboratories in the first place. Im not gonna get the vaccine, even if I personally have disadvantages from it. But thats what standing in for your believes consequently means imo.
LOL at all the demagogy and conspiracy theories in this thread. People like this deserve not to be vaccinated, go on, use your right to refuse anything. Just please stop spreading your propaganda, unless you're medically qualified. (And no, knowing someone who has heard of someone medically qualified doesnt count.)
As for the vaccination itself, I got vaccinated yesterday morning, and felt perfectly fine ever since.
On November 24 2009 19:38 538 wrote: LOL at all the demagogy and conspiracy theories in this thread. People like this deserve not to be vaccinated, go on, use your right to refuse anything. Just please stop spreading your propaganda, unless you're medically qualified. (And no, knowing someone who has heard of someone medically qualified doesnt count.)
As for the vaccination itself, I got vaccinated yesterday morning, and felt perfectly fine ever since.
Dude its not propaganda Im just stating cold hard facts and ask questions... Use your brain on the facts provided and couple it with the harsh market conditions, the ignorance of basic moral values for profit (see bank crisis) and the media hype about swine flu these days. If you don't at least admit its highly fishy that a company ships "accidentally" infected vaccines it is you who refuses critical thought. As I said in my first post, I normally laugh at conspiracy theories, but this is not me following some dumb theory, its just me thinking about a cpl of facts and believe me I would rather come to another conclusion, but sometimes its just hard to swallow all those "accidents" and "coincidents" when there is a ton of people profiting from them.
On November 21 2009 02:03 Foucault wrote: I'm with Captain Mayhem. The vaccine is a huge waste of money
Negative. The vaccine is a way of keeping societies healthy.
Roger That, oh sorry... N E G A T I V E !! .. the vaccine is to keep the medicine-business in money. they medicine corporate bosses are the guys that are friends with some of the people the parlament and media owners. its easy way to make money, when you hype danger and death to public.
On November 21 2009 02:03 Foucault wrote: I'm with Captain Mayhem. The vaccine is a huge waste of money
Negative. The vaccine is a way of keeping societies healthy.
Roger That, oh sorry... N E G A T I V E !! .. the vaccine is to keep the medicine-business in money. they medicine corporate bosses are the guys that are friends with some of the people the parlament and media owners. its easy way to make money, when you hype danger and death to public.
On November 21 2009 01:17 Amber[LighT] wrote: I got the regular flu vaccine since it's more dangerous and the shot was free from my job.
Swine Flu doesn't scare me.
That's incorrect. Swine flu is more dangerous for people of our age (15-35 ?) , without chronic disease. It's the opposite for older sick people.
So, why haven't I read anything in the news about people below the age of 40 who died from it? You'd think that the journalists would be more than happy to post that, since all they've got over here are a handful of people above 40, who all had asthma, cancer and such conditions beside the swine flu.
Risk patients, who got the vaccine FIRST, were all people with chronic diseases, hospital staff and school children. The 20-35 year old "clean" group will most probably get it last.
Actually, in Canada, most of the deaths from H1N1 have been below the age of 40 some with asthma and some without.
Could you post a source of that? Because, as I said earlier, this flu is actually MILDER than the regular one. I've got that confirmed from more than one doctor so far, so your results would be rather strange.
Fun thing, if you've got time left over THE FOLLOWING MESSAGE IS FOR EVERYBODY! Find a reliable source, ask your local doctor, or anything of the sorts. Check how many have been infected by the virus so far, and compare to how many have died from it. Worldwide. Now do the same with the regular flu.
The ONLY reason it's so scary is because it's a brand new strain, and that we don't have any resistance to it yet. NOT because it's especially deadly.
students have died from this. if you can get the vaccine, get it. it's no more dangerous than a nomral flu shot and you're not just protecting yourself when you get it, you're protecting the people who you might otherwise transmit the virus too. h1n1 really isn't that dangerous, but a flu shot is a lot less dangerous.
One of the first sentences I read: "This student had significant and serious health problems before contracting H1N1, the newspaper said." Another: "Further, he said that people with serious health problems are much more likely than others to be hit hard by H1N1." I hope I'm not taking anything too much out of context by quoting that.
Students die from the regular flu as well. It's really not that much of a deal to the average person. But I'm not stopping anyone from taking it, just saying that there's not really any reason to if you haven't gotten a vaccine from any other flu before
I'm to lazy to find swedish sources of deaths and if they were in any risk groups but I'll give you the hospitalizations.
Under 5 years old: 20 5-14 years old: 17 15-39 years old: 68 40-65 years old: 54 over 65 years old: 8
Source: Tidningarnas Telegrambyrå.
While having to stay at a hospital wont equal death it's most likely mean that you are really ill and I think the numbers speak for themselves.
EDIT:Damn, too late. You gave up TT.
What is the meaning of this post if youre too lazy to find sources wether or not these people were in risk groups? Afaik everyone in sweden who DIED from h1n1 was in a risk group, but hey, im too lazy to find sources for that statement.
Edit: Im definitelly not taking the vaccine, and if i die from h1n1 i give you all the right to dance on my grave. Just as i completelly take the right to say lololol told you so nubs if you would go blind or whatever in 50 years because of taking a over hyped vaccine shot.
On November 24 2009 19:38 538 wrote: LOL at all the demagogy and conspiracy theories in this thread. People like this deserve not to be vaccinated, go on, use your right to refuse anything. Just please stop spreading your propaganda, unless you're medically qualified. (And no, knowing someone who has heard of someone medically qualified doesnt count.)
As for the vaccination itself, I got vaccinated yesterday morning, and felt perfectly fine ever since.
Dude its not propaganda Im just stating cold hard facts and ask questions... Use your brain on the facts provided and couple it with the harsh market conditions, the ignorance of basic moral values for profit (see bank crisis) and the media hype about swine flu these days. If you don't at least admit its highly fishy that a company ships "accidentally" infected vaccines it is you who refuses critical thought. As I said in my first post, I normally laugh at conspiracy theories, but this is not me following some dumb theory, its just me thinking about a cpl of facts and believe me I would rather come to another conclusion, but sometimes its just hard to swallow all those "accidents" and "coincidents" when there is a ton of people profiting from them.
I dont want to engage deeply in this debate, yet I have to ask you: do you even know how do vaccinations work? They CONTAIN the virus, weakened down, so your immune system can develop immunity on its own. Hence, the existence of "infested" vaccines is not as delibrerate an error as it may seem in the eyes of someone prone to some social hysteria. (If they did have such vaccines shipped at all, I didnt bother looking it up.)
Why is it that critical thought is only valid when its applied against the popular opinion? There is no Umbrella Corp.
On November 24 2009 19:38 538 wrote: LOL at all the demagogy and conspiracy theories in this thread. People like this deserve not to be vaccinated, go on, use your right to refuse anything. Just please stop spreading your propaganda, unless you're medically qualified. (And no, knowing someone who has heard of someone medically qualified doesnt count.)
As for the vaccination itself, I got vaccinated yesterday morning, and felt perfectly fine ever since.
Dude its not propaganda Im just stating cold hard facts and ask questions... Use your brain on the facts provided and couple it with the harsh market conditions, the ignorance of basic moral values for profit (see bank crisis) and the media hype about swine flu these days. If you don't at least admit its highly fishy that a company ships "accidentally" infected vaccines it is you who refuses critical thought. As I said in my first post, I normally laugh at conspiracy theories, but this is not me following some dumb theory, its just me thinking about a cpl of facts and believe me I would rather come to another conclusion, but sometimes its just hard to swallow all those "accidents" and "coincidents" when there is a ton of people profiting from them.
Man you know those doctor people? The ones that spent the better part of a decade learning about medicine and disease? They know all about how vaccines are poison and its just corporations profiting. That's why when healthcare workers at hospitals are mandated to get vaccinated they totally flip out and protest because they know viruses are murder. They totally understand the biology of how viruses are manufactured and how they "protect" people and they know vaccinations are both useless and will kill you so they never get any vaccinations. Only really retarded people would ever get vaccinated since there's a huge body of information out there that says vaccines are dangerous.
On November 21 2009 01:17 Amber[LighT] wrote: I got the regular flu vaccine since it's more dangerous and the shot was free from my job.
Swine Flu doesn't scare me.
That's incorrect. Swine flu is more dangerous for people of our age (15-35 ?) , without chronic disease. It's the opposite for older sick people.
So, why haven't I read anything in the news about people below the age of 40 who died from it? You'd think that the journalists would be more than happy to post that, since all they've got over here are a handful of people above 40, who all had asthma, cancer and such conditions beside the swine flu.
Risk patients, who got the vaccine FIRST, were all people with chronic diseases, hospital staff and school children. The 20-35 year old "clean" group will most probably get it last.
Actually, in Canada, most of the deaths from H1N1 have been below the age of 40 some with asthma and some without.
Could you post a source of that? Because, as I said earlier, this flu is actually MILDER than the regular one. I've got that confirmed from more than one doctor so far, so your results would be rather strange.
Fun thing, if you've got time left over THE FOLLOWING MESSAGE IS FOR EVERYBODY! Find a reliable source, ask your local doctor, or anything of the sorts. Check how many have been infected by the virus so far, and compare to how many have died from it. Worldwide. Now do the same with the regular flu.
The ONLY reason it's so scary is because it's a brand new strain, and that we don't have any resistance to it yet. NOT because it's especially deadly.
students have died from this. if you can get the vaccine, get it. it's no more dangerous than a nomral flu shot and you're not just protecting yourself when you get it, you're protecting the people who you might otherwise transmit the virus too. h1n1 really isn't that dangerous, but a flu shot is a lot less dangerous.
One of the first sentences I read: "This student had significant and serious health problems before contracting H1N1, the newspaper said." Another: "Further, he said that people with serious health problems are much more likely than others to be hit hard by H1N1." I hope I'm not taking anything too much out of context by quoting that.
Students die from the regular flu as well. It's really not that much of a deal to the average person. But I'm not stopping anyone from taking it, just saying that there's not really any reason to if you haven't gotten a vaccine from any other flu before
I'm to lazy to find swedish sources of deaths and if they were in any risk groups but I'll give you the hospitalizations.
Under 5 years old: 20 5-14 years old: 17 15-39 years old: 68 40-65 years old: 54 over 65 years old: 8
Source: Tidningarnas Telegrambyrå.
While having to stay at a hospital wont equal death it's most likely mean that you are really ill and I think the numbers speak for themselves.
EDIT:Damn, too late. You gave up TT.
What is the meaning of this post if youre too lazy to find sources wether or not these people were in risk groups? Afaik everyone in sweden who DIED from h1n1 was in a risk group, but hey, im too lazy to find sources for that statement.
Edit: Im definitelly not taking the vaccine, and if i die from h1n1 i give you all the right to dance on my grave. Just as i completelly take the right to say lololol told you so nubs if you would go blind or whatever in 50 years because of taking a over hyped vaccine shot.
The meaning of my post was to show that the age group 15-39 seems to have the majority of people who get really sick from the flu. For seasonal flu it's generally old people. In 50years I'm pretty old so I dont really care. On the other hand all my grandparents are alive and well above 80. Were will your grave be located?
On November 21 2009 01:17 Amber[LighT] wrote: I got the regular flu vaccine since it's more dangerous and the shot was free from my job.
Swine Flu doesn't scare me.
That's incorrect. Swine flu is more dangerous for people of our age (15-35 ?) , without chronic disease. It's the opposite for older sick people.
So, why haven't I read anything in the news about people below the age of 40 who died from it? You'd think that the journalists would be more than happy to post that, since all they've got over here are a handful of people above 40, who all had asthma, cancer and such conditions beside the swine flu.
Risk patients, who got the vaccine FIRST, were all people with chronic diseases, hospital staff and school children. The 20-35 year old "clean" group will most probably get it last.
Actually, in Canada, most of the deaths from H1N1 have been below the age of 40 some with asthma and some without.
Could you post a source of that? Because, as I said earlier, this flu is actually MILDER than the regular one. I've got that confirmed from more than one doctor so far, so your results would be rather strange.
Fun thing, if you've got time left over THE FOLLOWING MESSAGE IS FOR EVERYBODY! Find a reliable source, ask your local doctor, or anything of the sorts. Check how many have been infected by the virus so far, and compare to how many have died from it. Worldwide. Now do the same with the regular flu.
The ONLY reason it's so scary is because it's a brand new strain, and that we don't have any resistance to it yet. NOT because it's especially deadly.
students have died from this. if you can get the vaccine, get it. it's no more dangerous than a nomral flu shot and you're not just protecting yourself when you get it, you're protecting the people who you might otherwise transmit the virus too. h1n1 really isn't that dangerous, but a flu shot is a lot less dangerous.
One of the first sentences I read: "This student had significant and serious health problems before contracting H1N1, the newspaper said." Another: "Further, he said that people with serious health problems are much more likely than others to be hit hard by H1N1." I hope I'm not taking anything too much out of context by quoting that.
Students die from the regular flu as well. It's really not that much of a deal to the average person. But I'm not stopping anyone from taking it, just saying that there's not really any reason to if you haven't gotten a vaccine from any other flu before
I'm to lazy to find swedish sources of deaths and if they were in any risk groups but I'll give you the hospitalizations.
Under 5 years old: 20 5-14 years old: 17 15-39 years old: 68 40-65 years old: 54 over 65 years old: 8
Source: Tidningarnas Telegrambyrå.
While having to stay at a hospital wont equal death it's most likely mean that you are really ill and I think the numbers speak for themselves.
EDIT:Damn, too late. You gave up TT.
What is the meaning of this post if youre too lazy to find sources wether or not these people were in risk groups? Afaik everyone in sweden who DIED from h1n1 was in a risk group, but hey, im too lazy to find sources for that statement.
Edit: Im definitelly not taking the vaccine, and if i die from h1n1 i give you all the right to dance on my grave. Just as i completelly take the right to say lololol told you so nubs if you would go blind or whatever in 50 years because of taking a over hyped vaccine shot.
The meaning of my post was to show that the age group 15-39 seems to have the majority of people who get really sick from the flu. For seasonal flu it's generally old people. In 50years I'm pretty old so I dont really care. On the other hand all my grandparents are alive and well above 80. Were will your grave be located?
You're a sheep. Propaganda is your shephard. One would have thought people would have learned by now.
Edit: So the majority of the infected are in between 15 and 65. Thats basically most of the population anyway, specially those who go to work or school and bunch up in buildings and infect each other. Why do you post these numbers, making conclusions, without even reflecting over them? Oh right, you're to lazy.
edit2:
15-39 years old: 68 (24 year interval) 40-65 years old: 54 (15 year interval)
Why dont you just say that 167 people between 0-100 went to hospital. OMG EVERYBODY WILL BE AFFECTED AND GO TO HOSPITAL AAAAH!
On November 24 2009 19:38 538 wrote: LOL at all the demagogy and conspiracy theories in this thread. People like this deserve not to be vaccinated, go on, use your right to refuse anything. Just please stop spreading your propaganda, unless you're medically qualified. (And no, knowing someone who has heard of someone medically qualified doesnt count.)
As for the vaccination itself, I got vaccinated yesterday morning, and felt perfectly fine ever since.
Dude its not propaganda Im just stating cold hard facts and ask questions... Use your brain on the facts provided and couple it with the harsh market conditions, the ignorance of basic moral values for profit (see bank crisis) and the media hype about swine flu these days. If you don't at least admit its highly fishy that a company ships "accidentally" infected vaccines it is you who refuses critical thought. As I said in my first post, I normally laugh at conspiracy theories, but this is not me following some dumb theory, its just me thinking about a cpl of facts and believe me I would rather come to another conclusion, but sometimes its just hard to swallow all those "accidents" and "coincidents" when there is a ton of people profiting from them.
I dont want to engage deeply in this debate, yet I have to ask you: do you even know how do vaccinations work? They CONTAIN the virus, weakened down, so your immune system can develop immunity on its own. Hence, the existence of "infested" vaccines is not as delibrerate an error as it may seem in the eyes of someone prone to some social hysteria. (If they did have such vaccines shipped at all, I didnt bother looking it up.)
Why is it that critical thought is only valid when its applied against the popular opinion? There is no Umbrella Corp.
Lol... Just keep watching tv man, and bash those idiotic conspiracy theorists on the internet based on your infinite wisdom... Oh and by the way, I know how vaccines work, thx! My gf studies pharmacy and came to the same conclusion many doctors and chemists who actually know a laboratory from the inside drew: Its virtually impossible to infest a vaccine by accident and then ship it out, especially with deadly viruses like avian flu. What security regulations do you think those laboratories have?? I guess its futile arguing with you, you dont even spend your time on looking shit up on the internet so its completely out of the question you would ever ask a pharmacist, doctor or bio-chemist about the case, that could be too much scientific information! Instead, keep on being uninformed and treating people like dumb retards by enlightening them with your petty common knowledge.
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