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On November 21 2009 01:49 Captain Mayhem wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2009 01:33 OreoBoi wrote:On November 21 2009 01:28 Captain Mayhem wrote:On November 21 2009 01:19 amoxicilline wrote:On November 21 2009 01:17 Amber[LighT] wrote:
I got the regular flu vaccine since it's more dangerous and the shot was free from my job.
Swine Flu doesn't scare me. That's incorrect. Swine flu is more dangerous for people of our age (15-35 ?) , without chronic disease. It's the opposite for older sick people. So, why haven't I read anything in the news about people below the age of 40 who died from it? You'd think that the journalists would be more than happy to post that, since all they've got over here are a handful of people above 40, who all had asthma, cancer and such conditions beside the swine flu. Risk patients, who got the vaccine FIRST, were all people with chronic diseases, hospital staff and school children. The 20-35 year old "clean" group will most probably get it last. Actually, in Canada, most of the deaths from H1N1 have been below the age of 40 some with asthma and some without. Could you post a source of that? Because, as I said earlier, this flu is actually MILDER than the regular one. I've got that confirmed from more than one doctor so far, so your results would be rather strange. Fun thing, if you've got time left over  THE FOLLOWING MESSAGE IS FOR EVERYBODY!Find a reliable source, ask your local doctor, or anything of the sorts. Check how many have been infected by the virus so far, and compare to how many have died from it. Worldwide. Now do the same with the regular flu. The ONLY reason it's so scary is because it's a brand new strain, and that we don't have any resistance to it yet. NOT because it's especially deadly.
http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2009/09/08/h1n1
students have died from this. if you can get the vaccine, get it. it's no more dangerous than a nomral flu shot and you're not just protecting yourself when you get it, you're protecting the people who you might otherwise transmit the virus too. h1n1 really isn't that dangerous, but a flu shot is a lot less dangerous.
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Even if the chances of getting the swine flu or much less than the seasonal flu, theres no reason not to get the vaccine to prevent something that would make you feel like shit if you got it otherwise..
Also, the entire vaccine side-effects are dangerous and you shouldn't get it is complete bullshit. The chances of you having some unpredicted, life-altering thing happen to you as a result of the vaccine is astronomically low. The benefits of preventing swine flu (even though its danger is ridiculously over-hyped by the media) is much better than the non-existent side-effects that may happen to 1 person in a million. The real risk of swine flu is much higher than the theoretical risk of the vaccine.
The media just likes to take that 1 person in a million who actually had something bad happen to them, and make him the posterboy for what will happen when you get the vaccine.
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I'm with Captain Mayhem. The vaccine is a huge waste of money
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On November 21 2009 01:49 Captain Mayhem wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2009 01:33 OreoBoi wrote:On November 21 2009 01:28 Captain Mayhem wrote:On November 21 2009 01:19 amoxicilline wrote:On November 21 2009 01:17 Amber[LighT] wrote:
I got the regular flu vaccine since it's more dangerous and the shot was free from my job.
Swine Flu doesn't scare me. That's incorrect. Swine flu is more dangerous for people of our age (15-35 ?) , without chronic disease. It's the opposite for older sick people. So, why haven't I read anything in the news about people below the age of 40 who died from it? You'd think that the journalists would be more than happy to post that, since all they've got over here are a handful of people above 40, who all had asthma, cancer and such conditions beside the swine flu. Risk patients, who got the vaccine FIRST, were all people with chronic diseases, hospital staff and school children. The 20-35 year old "clean" group will most probably get it last. Actually, in Canada, most of the deaths from H1N1 have been below the age of 40 some with asthma and some without. Could you post a source of that? Because, as I said earlier, this flu is actually MILDER than the regular one. I've got that confirmed from more than one doctor so far, so your results would be rather strange. Fun thing, if you've got time left over THE FOLLOWING MESSAGE IS FOR EVERYBODY!Find a reliable source, ask your local doctor, or anything of the sorts. Check how many have been infected by the virus so far, and compare to how many have died from it. Worldwide. Now do the same with the regular flu. The ONLY reason it's so scary is because it's a brand new strain, and that we don't have any resistance to it yet. NOT because it's especially deadly.
Well it still sucks to be sick two weeks (unless you're unlucky) so a little inconvenience going to wherever you can get a shot is really worth it. You'll most likely get it anyway if you dont, so why not prevent it?
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On November 21 2009 02:03 Foucault wrote:
I'm with Captain Mayhem. The vaccine is a huge waste of money
So even though it's milder then normal flu, why the hell wouldn't you just cure that as well if it's doable? Not as many is dying from swine flu but it's the same deal, people are dying, noone can argue against that.
Tell me why that is waste of money.
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They're giving the vaccine to everyone in the country here but I'm not gonna bother, really not concerned about it at all.
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I didnt read all of it but.. what is a "plaice fillet"?
I was probably one of the first in Canada to get swine flu! 3 cheers for me! Oh wait..
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Fun thing, if you've got time left over THE FOLLOWING MESSAGE IS FOR EVERYBODY!Find a reliable source, ask your local doctor, or anything of the sorts. Check how many have been infected by the virus so far, and compare to how many have died from it. Worldwide. Now do the same with the regular flu. The ONLY reason it's so scary is because it's a brand new strain, and that we don't have any resistance to it yet. NOT because it's especially deadly.
How many have been infected by H1N1: far far less
How many have died from H1N1: far far less
Percentage of people who die from H1N1: a lot more than seasonal flu
Even if the danger of swine flu is being greatly over-exaggerated and being called an epidemic and such, thats no reason not to get the vaccine for it. Just because something is being marketed as worse than it actually is by the media doesn't change the fact that you still don't want to get it and probably don't want to give it to others as well.
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The side effects from vaccination are usually due to the dead virus inside the vaccine itself, not the other ingredients in the vaccine. That said, you can get those same side effects from the real virus, and the risk is much higher from live virus than dead virus (10x or so)
The other main danger of the vaccine is bacterial contamination, but that is usually quickly detected...
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On November 21 2009 01:57 gLyo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2009 01:49 Captain Mayhem wrote:On November 21 2009 01:33 OreoBoi wrote:On November 21 2009 01:28 Captain Mayhem wrote:On November 21 2009 01:19 amoxicilline wrote:On November 21 2009 01:17 Amber[LighT] wrote:
I got the regular flu vaccine since it's more dangerous and the shot was free from my job.
Swine Flu doesn't scare me. That's incorrect. Swine flu is more dangerous for people of our age (15-35 ?) , without chronic disease. It's the opposite for older sick people. So, why haven't I read anything in the news about people below the age of 40 who died from it? You'd think that the journalists would be more than happy to post that, since all they've got over here are a handful of people above 40, who all had asthma, cancer and such conditions beside the swine flu. Risk patients, who got the vaccine FIRST, were all people with chronic diseases, hospital staff and school children. The 20-35 year old "clean" group will most probably get it last. Actually, in Canada, most of the deaths from H1N1 have been below the age of 40 some with asthma and some without. Could you post a source of that? Because, as I said earlier, this flu is actually MILDER than the regular one. I've got that confirmed from more than one doctor so far, so your results would be rather strange. Fun thing, if you've got time left over THE FOLLOWING MESSAGE IS FOR EVERYBODY!Find a reliable source, ask your local doctor, or anything of the sorts. Check how many have been infected by the virus so far, and compare to how many have died from it. Worldwide. Now do the same with the regular flu. The ONLY reason it's so scary is because it's a brand new strain, and that we don't have any resistance to it yet. NOT because it's especially deadly. http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2009/09/08/h1n1students have died from this. if you can get the vaccine, get it. it's no more dangerous than a nomral flu shot and you're not just protecting yourself when you get it, you're protecting the people who you might otherwise transmit the virus too. h1n1 really isn't that dangerous, but a flu shot is a lot less dangerous.
One of the first sentences I read:
"This student had significant and serious health problems before contracting H1N1, the newspaper said."
Another:
"Further, he said that people with serious health problems are much more likely than others to be hit hard by H1N1."
I hope I'm not taking anything too much out of context by quoting that.
Students die from the regular flu as well. It's really not that much of a deal to the average person. But I'm not stopping anyone from taking it, just saying that there's not really any reason to if you haven't gotten a vaccine from any other flu before
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The funny thing is that bot H1N1 and the vaccine is hyped to be really scary and dangerous by the media. No matter what you do it apparently really really scary and people make weird decitions due to being scared or bored from the media crying wolf 24/7.
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I got the nasal spray and I had no side effects...I just hope I wasn't already infected before my vaccine by my roommate.
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I'm guessing Captain Mayhem hasn't ever gotten the flu before. It's ok not to get the vaccine if you don't want to, but its not that much trouble to potentially prevent something you would otherwise regret if you did catch the flu. Especially if you got the swine flu which sucks 10x worse than the normal flu.
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I got the H1N1 virus instead of the vaccine, survived, immunity built. It's all fear mongering and media hype. It's not a pandemic... Where's Socrates when you need him.
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Its better to get the normal flu vacine than leting be a lab rat for testing purposes.
Here too its known that the swine flu vacine is not really healthy to take for x reasons. This new flu its not even that deadly. It only affects ppl with existing condinons. Only theese ppl are really in danger of geting complacitons and in some cases death .
Think the death rate is around 0.1% and its the same or even lower compared to normal flu.
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On November 21 2009 02:20 jiabung wrote:
I'm guessing Captain Mayhem hasn't ever gotten the flu before. It's ok not to get the vaccine if you don't want to, but its not that much trouble to potentially prevent something you would otherwise regret if you did catch the flu. Especially if you got the swine flu which sucks 10x worse than the normal flu.
I have. It sucked. I got over it.
Bleh, I'm abandoning this discussion. Just go with whatever you want, people -_-
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I'm not getting a vaccination because I'm pretty sure I actually had swine flu already.
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On November 21 2009 02:15 Captain Mayhem wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2009 01:57 gLyo wrote:On November 21 2009 01:49 Captain Mayhem wrote:On November 21 2009 01:33 OreoBoi wrote:On November 21 2009 01:28 Captain Mayhem wrote:On November 21 2009 01:19 amoxicilline wrote:On November 21 2009 01:17 Amber[LighT] wrote:
I got the regular flu vaccine since it's more dangerous and the shot was free from my job.
Swine Flu doesn't scare me. That's incorrect. Swine flu is more dangerous for people of our age (15-35 ?) , without chronic disease. It's the opposite for older sick people. So, why haven't I read anything in the news about people below the age of 40 who died from it? You'd think that the journalists would be more than happy to post that, since all they've got over here are a handful of people above 40, who all had asthma, cancer and such conditions beside the swine flu. Risk patients, who got the vaccine FIRST, were all people with chronic diseases, hospital staff and school children. The 20-35 year old "clean" group will most probably get it last. Actually, in Canada, most of the deaths from H1N1 have been below the age of 40 some with asthma and some without. Could you post a source of that? Because, as I said earlier, this flu is actually MILDER than the regular one. I've got that confirmed from more than one doctor so far, so your results would be rather strange. Fun thing, if you've got time left over THE FOLLOWING MESSAGE IS FOR EVERYBODY!Find a reliable source, ask your local doctor, or anything of the sorts. Check how many have been infected by the virus so far, and compare to how many have died from it. Worldwide. Now do the same with the regular flu. The ONLY reason it's so scary is because it's a brand new strain, and that we don't have any resistance to it yet. NOT because it's especially deadly. http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2009/09/08/h1n1students have died from this. if you can get the vaccine, get it. it's no more dangerous than a nomral flu shot and you're not just protecting yourself when you get it, you're protecting the people who you might otherwise transmit the virus too. h1n1 really isn't that dangerous, but a flu shot is a lot less dangerous. One of the first sentences I read: "This student had significant and serious health problems before contracting H1N1, the newspaper said." Another: "Further, he said that people with serious health problems are much more likely than others to be hit hard by H1N1." I hope I'm not taking anything too much out of context by quoting that. Students die from the regular flu as well. It's really not that much of a deal to the average person. But I'm not stopping anyone from taking it, just saying that there's not really any reason to if you haven't gotten a vaccine from any other flu before
I'm to lazy to find swedish sources of deaths and if they were in any risk groups but I'll give you the hospitalizations.
Under 5 years old: 20
5-14 years old: 17
15-39 years old: 68
40-65 years old: 54
over 65 years old: 8
Source: Tidningarnas Telegrambyrå.
While having to stay at a hospital wont equal death it's most likely mean that you are really ill and I think the numbers speak for themselves.
EDIT:Damn, too late. You gave up TT.
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On November 21 2009 02:03 Foucault wrote:
I'm with Captain Mayhem. The vaccine is a huge waste of money
Negative. The vaccine is a way of keeping societies healthy.
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swine flu is fucking bullshit. Its just a harder flu that's all. Its not a terrible disease, the media just overreacted. we are here on a "second wave" flu and everybody just live their lives normally. IMO dont waste your money, just take health precautions and if you ever get contagion just treat yourself with care and nothign more
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