EPTArrested for not paying tip - Page 8
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
This is due to many people skipping out on tips. It says it at the bottom of many restaurant menus. By ordering when you have 6 or more people, you are then agreeing to pay this gratuity. It no longer becomes a tip, and rather becomes part of the bill itself - that is the issue they are talking about. I voted No, but I'm not sure on my answer completely - yeah you shouldn't be forced to tip if it was absolutely terrible service, but at the same time, if the restaurant has their policy STATE clearly that if you have a party of 6 you MUST pay an extra 18%, then the people should realize that and take it into consideration before eating. On November 20 2009 12:20 domane wrote: Can anyone else confirm this? Anyone had to or know someone who had to cover a customer's tab? Yes, I can confirm it's true at many restaurants. At least in my area, its the policy at Denny's, Chiles, TGIF, and it's just generally accepted as fact (my girlfriend works at Chiles). Waiter always covers the entire tab for dining + ditching. | ||
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synapse
China13814 Posts
LOL thats exactly what i thought | ||
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Disregard
China10252 Posts
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Impervious
Canada4216 Posts
On November 20 2009 13:31 FabledIntegral wrote: This is due to many people skipping out on tips. It says it at the bottom of many restaurant menus. By ordering when you have 6 or more people, you are then agreeing to pay this gratuity. It no longer becomes a tip, and rather becomes part of the bill itself - that is the issue they are talking about. I voted No, but I'm not sure on my answer completely - yeah you shouldn't be forced to tip if it was absolutely terrible service, but at the same time, if the restaurant has their policy STATE clearly that if you have a party of 6 you MUST pay an extra 18%, then the people should realize that and take it into consideration before eating. If the tips are mandatory, why don't they just charge people that extra 18% directly, and save the fuss? Seriously, this is just stupid. A gratuity is recognition of the service. Forcing people to pay it defeats the whole point of a gratuity. In Canada, servers are paid below the general minimum wage, but not by as much as they are in the USA (only $1.25 per hour less than minimum wage, at minimum, in Ontario). And most of their wages do come from tips anyways, with the better servers pulling in the better tips (generally). A good server can make a lot of money. | ||
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ibutoss
Australia341 Posts
[QUOTE]On November 20 2009 12:21 Ludrik wrote: I guess it's a psychological perception in cheapness of food. Just like how car salesmen set car prices and shit to 19999 instead of "20 000" the consumer perceives that he is paying less money. Likewise having a coffee and a donut for like $2 USD + a tip or whatever, vs an Australian coffee+donut (like $7? fucking bullshit). Did you know a cup of tea at university costs $3.20 at my university? A fucking small tiny LIPTON or DILMAH tea bag $3.20. This was before I had access to the faculties kitchen. But still when i'm desperate for a cup of tea and I have no where else to go, i have to fork up $3.20 for a measly cup of tea. [/QUOTE] Good point. We don't pay mandatory tips, however our prices are higher to take this into consideration. At uni I think it's $3.40 for tea/coffee so consider yourself lucky at 3.20 | ||
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EGLzGaMeR
United States1867 Posts
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On November 20 2009 14:10 lMPERVlOUS wrote: If the tips are mandatory, why don't they just charge people that extra 18% directly, and save the fuss? Seriously, this is just stupid. A gratuity is recognition of the service. Forcing people to pay it defeats the whole point of a gratuity. In Canada, servers are paid below the general minimum wage, but not by as much as they are in the USA (only $1.25 per hour less than minimum wage, at minimum, in Ontario). And most of their wages do come from tips anyways, with the better servers pulling in the better tips (generally). A good server can make a lot of money. They did... The extra 18% came on the very initial bill INCLUDED in the total. The entire thing is, you're supposed to tip MORE when you have bigger parties. For example if you usually tip 15% when you go out with your gf, you're supposed to tip more than 15% when you have a large party. Most parties, however, tend to be cheap because the tip ends up being so high and it was once very common for people to give something like $10 tips for $150+ orders. Waiters basically get shafted, where they have more demanding work and less reward - thus incentive to perform well is also lessened (although you might think if they are guaranteed the tip they'd lose all incentive altogether). | ||
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D10
Brazil3409 Posts
Waiters get paid a fair ammount, service is a 10% fee that is optional and you pay 90% of the time and in the end the tips will be extra money you give the waiter, because the 10% included in the bill overall covers all service costs and let them make a decent ammount. | ||
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anch
United States5457 Posts
Besides, the tip should go to the chefs for cooking the fabulous meals, not fucking waiter/waitresses that just take orders, bring plates, take out plates and refill water. | ||
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Suc
Australia1569 Posts
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da_head
Canada3350 Posts
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Wr3k
Canada2533 Posts
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Jaksiel
United States4130 Posts
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Impervious
Canada4216 Posts
On November 20 2009 14:38 FabledIntegral wrote: They did... The extra 18% came on the very initial bill INCLUDED in the total. Yea, well, next time you go to a restaurant, see if they say "9.99 + tax + tip" or "13.30". It essentially is the same thing, yet makes the restaurant look cheaper, and creates the illusion that tips are a thank you for good service..... | ||
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RedTerror
New Zealand742 Posts
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Zurles
United Kingdom1659 Posts
"Well the resturant just cost itself more money and a PR disaster which in the end will cost a lot more than a fucking tip. Good job dipshits." This is also true and hilarious. Whole story sickens me though, glad it was in your country and not mine. | ||
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Etherone
United States1898 Posts
On November 20 2009 16:01 lMPERVlOUS wrote: Yea, well, next time you go to a restaurant, see if they say "9.99 + tax + tip" or "13.30". It essentially is the same thing, yet makes the restaurant look cheaper, and creates the illusion that tips are a thank you for good service..... that and there is no "initial bill" there is a single bill received at the end of the meal. So the only initial indication you have as to the price of the meal is the menu, which does not include the "tip". some menu's include in fine print on the very bottom a statement that declares a 15% ( or whatever) "service" fee for parties including 6 or more individuals. Not some surprise "we ask you to give us 18% extra (gratuity) for going above and beyond our obligation, but if you don't we call the cops" nonsense. | ||
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scwizard
United States1195 Posts
A contradiction :/ | ||
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antzilla
United States52 Posts
The receipt usually looks like this is if the gratuity is mandatory. Food Cost + Tax + 1X% Gratuity Total Cost So there is one price that the customer pays. A normal bill won't include the + 1X% Gratuity line, and tipping is optional, though not tipping is considered pretty rude. Edit: From the article, the pub claims that the manager offered to comp the food, which the people deny. Not sure who to believe there, but if the restaurant did comp the customer's food, then this is a pretty asshole-ish thing to do. | ||
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