Obama Wins 2009 Nobel Peace Prize - Page 16

On October 10 2009 15:55 TanGeng wrote:
OMG. Further evidence that the Nobel Peace Prize is a joke.

And for those arguing about appeasement, the appeasement of the Soviet Union after World War II was about 30 times worse than of Germany by Chamberlain at Munich.

The only reason World War II became such a dire issue was because the French prepared to fight World War I again and didn't think the Germans would go through the forests and hills of the Ardennes.

On October 10 2009 13:45 Aegraen wrote:

Actually, America is supposed to be a Confederacy. We were never meant to be a Democracy, nor are we. This is why we have laws. If we were a Democracy then the will of the Majority would be law.

America shares nothing, or is supposed to share, nothing in common with the British idea of Government. Why do you think we had a revolution against Britain?

Confederacy - A union of persons, parties, or states; a league.

Of course, the War of Southern Independance destroyed that, now didn't it?

On October 10 2009 13:35 Aegraen wrote:


Wrong. Appeasement is intervention. Britain and France allowed Germany to annex the Anschluss. What are the people of the Anschluss going to do if the Countries around them GAVE them the Anschluss? The right to self-defense is inherent from birth to all of us. No one can give away another person or their property. Absurdity.

The late 20th Century and the 21st Century will be the history of the failure of interventionism, just like the early 20th Century was the failure of interventionism.

The people of China would overthrow their tyrannous occupiers. America did the same thing. Some people volunteered to come help us (Foreign Generals, etc.), and we openly accepted them. It would be no different in their context. Sure, the French helped at the end of the War, but by then we had won it anyways. We didn't go around to countries begging for their invasion of America to liberate us, did we?

On October 10 2009 18:37 Arbiter[frolix] wrote:
As for the Nobel award: well, given that Shimon Peres, Henry Kissinger and Woodrow Wilson all won the prize this is hardly the first time that the committee has dished it out to someone who stands in violation of the most basic principles on which the award is supposedly based.

On October 10 2009 19:23 Kazius wrote:

You must be talking about a different nobel prize winning Shimon Peres, because on a list of things done for peace, he was the person who twisted the arms of both the Israeli prime-minister and PLO leader and life-long terrorist into negotiating. He was the heart of the peace process, Rabin and Arafat wouldn't have done anything without him.

On October 10 2009 16:30 Kazius wrote:

Actually, the US is a democracy (a constitutional/regional democracy, if you want to be specific). Laws are in no way anti-democratic, they are anti-anarchic. The rule of majority is not democracy, it stamps out the rights of the minorities - the definition of the word democracy is "rule of the people", as in all of them. The US constitution and system of rule are based on a wide range of European and Native American philosophies and systems of rule, among them the British parliamentary system. The revolution against Britain was caused more by economic reasons than ideological ones. The civil war was a break in the confederacy, but in no way ended it, as all those states are still a part of the USA.

You did get the definition of the word confederacy right though.

On October 10 2009 23:20 Mortality wrote:
Up until the American Civil War, we referred to ourselves not as "the United States," but as "these United States," in other words, power was supposed to be predominantly at the state level. The Civil War itself was not fought simply because of slavery, but because of state's rights. Slavery just happened to be one of the more significant bones of contention (and probably not for the reasons you might believe -- it really was at heart an economic struggle, far more so than it was a moral one; most northerners didn't see black people as equals either).