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Just to add to what has been said already about getting a deposit for the last months utility bills: I would recommend that if your lease is up or people are moving out (school year is over, people are finding new place next year, etc) that you do not be the last one out of the place.
My girlfriend was going to school out of town and she came back home once school was done. She had packed up all her stuff already but just required a truck to actually bring it back home. Sooo, when we went back to her apartment to get the stuff we found that many of her things had been "misplaced" by her roommates, who had already both moved out.
I understand that if something important was stolen you could take action but it was more the stuff that wasnt locked in her room that was taken, like: a cell phone charger that they all used for their phones (all had the same kind) ..perhaps they forgot who originally owned it?
Anyways, a few other really minor things were gone but the point is: if there are things that all roommates share, make sure you claim what is yours before everyone moves out!
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Katowice25012 Posts
living with other people is the best thing ever wtf is wrong with you people
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On September 13 2009 14:36 Kennelie wrote:
Rule #1: Never move in with your so-called "friends". That 3 week late payment on bills isn't helpful when you know within a week you have a new bill coming in and in all seriousness we should know that friend is not going to pay you the new bills current charges that same week.
Rule #2: Fuck roommates in general. Do you really want them hogging up your net? Do you really want them eating up your share of the food(last pizza slice anyone)? Do you really want them around when you been banging your girl down the whole weekend, or in some cases you having to hear them bang down some girl they picked up at a club, but still dont have no cash for utilities/rent.
Rule #3: Dont move in with a g/f unless your planning on getting married, and even in that situation who's planning on getting married when your young and still have lots of time in front of you with you and your new home.
No offense but you really really need better friends if this was really a problem.
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Netherlands13554 Posts
I've been planning on moving out for a year now but it's kind of hard to even get a rental house (even though I have enough money) because I don't have an official income. Being a poker player it's hard to figure this shit out. I think once I get a nice place though I won't have problems financing it nor managing it, i.e. household tasks etc. I think I would do fine. Granted I turn 25 tomorrow so it's about time too.
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can anyone explain what deposit is, someone mentioned it regarding roommates not paying bills
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On September 14 2009 01:05 Jayme wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2009 14:36 Kennelie wrote:
Rule #1: Never move in with your so-called "friends". That 3 week late payment on bills isn't helpful when you know within a week you have a new bill coming in and in all seriousness we should know that friend is not going to pay you the new bills current charges that same week.
Rule #2: Fuck roommates in general. Do you really want them hogging up your net? Do you really want them eating up your share of the food(last pizza slice anyone)? Do you really want them around when you been banging your girl down the whole weekend, or in some cases you having to hear them bang down some girl they picked up at a club, but still dont have no cash for utilities/rent.
Rule #3: Dont move in with a g/f unless your planning on getting married, and even in that situation who's planning on getting married when your young and still have lots of time in front of you with you and your new home. No offense but you really really need better friends if this was really a problem.
My better minded friends moved in with their g/f's. Gradually throughout the time living with their g/f's they turned into miserable people and either separated and went back to living at home or either was mind fucked into having a family(heaven knows if that made their miserable life any better). The few friends I can count on living with have discussed in the passed about living together and it will never happen, we seem to get irritated very easily with each other after a few days of being around each other. It doesn't mean we hadn't lived together in the passed but it's in better terms if we didn't to not lead the relationship in a sour direction.
Good point, but you do realize that this can be a big problem sometimes, right? Roommates are sometimes necessary. I found for the most part it wasn't hard to 'train' your roommates not to do stupid shit like eat your leftover pizza.... that is except for the one roommate I had who was on the wrestling team and would literally eat my leftover food in his sleep.
I'm a lazy person and don't think I need to train another human being on doing what's right or wrong, as they shoulda been taught this while growing up. Plus I don't wanna feel as if I am better than the other person either as whenever I teach I seem to come off as I am on a high horse, and I know good and well I am nobody to be teaching anybody on how to live.
Adding to the laziness, I've came to realize I would rather just live in some broken down shack that I can afford to pay and cutting out having the roommate part to reduce in drama and worries. I keep it simple I guess and this works for me.
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Happy B-day Twisted, and I am sure you can probably find a place without showing proof of income somewhere.
can anyone explain what deposit is, someone mentioned it regarding roommates not paying bills
Collecting a deposit beforehand is a good idea as this usually covers last month's bills along with next month's bills(depending on the amount of deposit collected) if the person isn't able to fully cover the costs of bills for the month they are moving in on. I might be wrong though lol.
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On September 13 2009 22:48 micronesia wrote:
This seems a little unfair (about not sticking around past the bachelors). Many people have college loans, have to pay for grad school (if they start it), and don't get a good job right away. How can they move out?
Can you explain what separate contracts are? You mean separate for each roommate?
You don't need a cushy job to move out. I know my job wasn't "good"...my day started at 3AM. By the time you have a degree, you are by all definitions an adult. If you are still hanging around your parents' place, then you are refusing to grow up. Just because it isn't easy doesn't mean you shouldn't be doing it.
Yeah, separate contracts means separate for each roommate. It eliminates the majority of roommate financial issues...but they're hard to come by.
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I'm a student right now and I only make about 500-600 dollars a month working part time and going to classes, If someone would like to tell me how to move out of my parents house with just that I would like to see it.
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On September 13 2009 05:19 Djabanete wrote:I became much happier as soon as I moved out of the house at the age of 19. Even though I go to college in the same town that I grew up in, and therefore could still live with my parents, I much prefer living with other students. My parents understand that and we still see each other pretty often. I live in a house with 5 awesome guys, we're all third- and fourth-years, and we all get along really well. It's a great atmosphere. Because there are 6 of us, rent is not too bad (for Berkeley, that is), and living in a real house beats the hell out of living in an apartment or a dorm (we lucked out). We're on the opposite side of campus from all the football/fraternity nonsense, so the only time it's noisy is when we throw our own parties  Best way to live at college IMO is to plan ahead with 3-5 people you like a lot and find a nice flat. Keep it tidy and it can be a really great place to live during your college years! [brag] Every time people come over they comment on how nice our place is =D [/brag]
This is pretty much my scenario except I live with 2 other guys instead of 5 and it's in an apartment. Apartments aren't too bad. Mostly everyone in the complex will be really cool and laid back and sometimes you can throw floor parties(everyone on your floor buys kegs and there's music in the halls, ect) which are hella fun. We are definitely on the tamer side of town but we still know a good amount of houses that will still throw parties on weekends and the walk to the other side of campus is only 20 minutes max (usually more like 15). I still think you should wait to move out until you are sure you're ready. I've seen many people move out when the only thing that was holding them back from going completely apeshit and doing stupid stuff that gets them into a lot of trouble was living at home with their parents. Just remember to keep your life in order and keep the partying moderated.
(this is mostly referring to college kids)
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United States24682 Posts
On September 14 2009 01:02 heyoka wrote:
living with other people is the best thing ever wtf is wrong with you people
Clearly you've been lucky in the past. It isn't always good. Sometimes it's absolutely horrible. Don't be silly and say it is the best thing ever.
On September 14 2009 01:01 Code wrote:
Just to add to what has been said already about getting a deposit for the last months utility bills: I would recommend that if your lease is up or people are moving out (school year is over, people are finding new place next year, etc) that you do not be the last one out of the place.
My girlfriend was going to school out of town and she came back home once school was done. She had packed up all her stuff already but just required a truck to actually bring it back home. Sooo, when we went back to her apartment to get the stuff we found that many of her things had been "misplaced" by her roommates, who had already both moved out.
I understand that if something important was stolen you could take action but it was more the stuff that wasnt locked in her room that was taken, like: a cell phone charger that they all used for their phones (all had the same kind) ..perhaps they forgot who originally owned it?
Anyways, a few other really minor things were gone but the point is: if there are things that all roommates share, make sure you claim what is yours before everyone moves out!
Very good point.
On September 14 2009 01:42 Kennelie wrote:Show nested quote +
Good point, but you do realize that this can be a big problem sometimes, right? Roommates are sometimes necessary. I found for the most part it wasn't hard to 'train' your roommates not to do stupid shit like eat your leftover pizza.... that is except for the one roommate I had who was on the wrestling team and would literally eat my leftover food in his sleep.
I'm a lazy person and don't think I need to train another human being on doing what's right or wrong, as they shoulda been taught this while growing up. Plus I don't wanna feel as if I am better than the other person either as whenever I teach I seem to come off as I am on a high horse, and I know good and well I am nobody to be teaching anybody on how to live. Adding to the laziness, I've came to realize I would rather just live in some broken down shack that I can afford to pay and cutting out having the roommate part to reduce in drama and worries. I keep it simple I guess and this works for me.
I don't mean training them on what's right or wrong. I mean training them to coexist with you. Two very different things... although usually the things they are doing wrong would be considered by many to be 'bad.' I totally understand if you don't want roommates and you want to avoid all this, etc, but you can't always do it.
On September 14 2009 01:41 Art.FeeL wrote:
can anyone explain what deposit is, someone mentioned it regarding roommates not paying bills
Suppose I am going to rent you an apartment for a few years. Before you move in you will pay me your first month's rent. However, I will probably require a 'deposit' also which means you pay me another month's worth of rent. Let's say you live there for one year. At the end of the last month, after you've moved out without breaking anything I'll give you back the deposit and we'll be even money again.
On September 14 2009 02:36 Nylan wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2009 22:48 micronesia wrote:
This seems a little unfair (about not sticking around past the bachelors). Many people have college loans, have to pay for grad school (if they start it), and don't get a good job right away. How can they move out?
Can you explain what separate contracts are? You mean separate for each roommate? You don't need a cushy job to move out. I know my job wasn't "good"...my day started at 3AM. By the time you have a degree, you are by all definitions an adult. If you are still hanging around your parents' place, then you are refusing to grow up. Just because it isn't easy doesn't mean you shouldn't be doing it.
This is the mindset I still don't totally understand. How do you make this work? If you can't get a job in your field which pays decently, and let's say you bite the bullet and get some retail or other job that is not that much above minimum wage, then how are you going to pay for rent, plus student loans, plus car insurance and other expenses? It just won't work unless you get a great deal with several other roommates or something like that (and even still is questionable).... is that what you mean? Also, living at home a few years may make it much easier for you to build up your credit and gain long-term financial independence/power, so there is more to staying home than just refusing to grow up...
On September 14 2009 02:37 ProdT wrote:
I'm a student right now and I only make about 500-600 dollars a month working part time and going to classes, If someone would like to tell me how to move out of my parents house with just that I would like to see it.
I think most people are referring to 'after college' rather than during college. If you can live away from home during college it's awesome, especially if your parents help you out with the expenses. You can also possibly include the cost into your college loans. Of course it all depends.
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hardest thing about living on your own is what to eat everyday.
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4 of my friends, ages 18 to 19, live in a doublewide trailer together. When I was up in NY still, I used to be over at that place like 24/7, slept there more than I did at my own house. They all (living there more than a year so far) fucking love it, not too expensive, just big enough to throw parties and out in the nowhere so you can't really get in trouble for much.
It's actually the house Bill (one of them) used to live in with his parents, then they moved to Florida and he stayed behind (Bill graduates, parents move out, what a baller). They are all pretty much like the nerdy-gamer-socially-awkward people, which is great because I am too (socially awkward especially). I was going to stay up there until we all decided that 5 people in a doublewide isn't going to work, lol. TJ is sleeping in the kitchen as it is.
Fuck I miss that place so much = [
Relevant to the thread: I will be moving back to NY a little after I turn 18, going to be moving in with two of my friends in an apartment. Due to the G.I. bill, I pretty much don't even have to work for the first two years of college, all of it is payed for (as well as room and board, books, etc). After that, I'll be moving to Canada, hopefully to further my education and live there permenantly. Of course, for my first 2 years, I will probably still have a job anyway. As much as I like not having to work (aside from school work and studying, of course), I still do want to not waste my time around the house while everyone is at work, I might as well get money in the bank. I know I'll need it down the line ' -'a
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Figure out whether you are the anal housekeeping type, or the relaxed housekeeping type, then only take roommates that are the same type, otherwise you will be at eachothers throats within 6 months. Just because someone is your friend doesn't mean they wont drive you absolutely insane or respect your space. Personally I'm the kind of person who doesn't mind a mess, but will clean it when its there and I have time. I can't stand living with people who are anal about shit like doing dishes.
Everything else seems pretty obvious to me here. Weigh the cost/benefits of each scenario and make a decision. I decided to live at home for college simply because the cost of living where I am from is so high that you would have to work at least 30-40 hours a week to pay for everything yourself (add homework and class and you officially have no downtime and lack of sleep). Residence is somewhat affordable, however I would rather drive 15 minutes and get free food and a queen size bed as well as silence and workspace if I need it. I also can only tolerate living with relaxed people, and my family happens to be ridiculously relaxed. (I have brought girlfriends home, slept with them, and then eaten breakfast with her & my family doesn't have a problem with it). I guess if you are one for promiscuous behaviors then you probably should get your own place. Personally I only fuck people I'm dating, and I have no problem introducing them to my parents. I know alot of people out there have parents that make them crazy, and after meeting some of them I can definitely say that I am grateful for my family being so chill.
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United States24682 Posts
On September 14 2009 05:03 Wr3k wrote:
Figure out whether you are the anal housekeeping type, or the relaxed housekeeping type, then only take roommates that are the same type, otherwise you will be at eachothers throats within 6 months. Just because someone is your friend doesn't mean they wont drive you absolutely insane or respect your space. Personally I'm the kind of person who doesn't mind a mess, but will clean it when its there and I have time. I can't stand living with people who are anal about shit like doing dishes.
What about if you are somewhere in the middle? Also, it's often difficult to judge what roommates will be like in this regard. No matter how hard you try it always seems like a bit of a crapshoot with roommates sharing a kitchen and other common areas.
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NeverGG
United Kingdom5399 Posts
I absolutely hated living with other people. I am a neat person, but I am not anal about it. I don't mind doing chores and tidy up after myself. I also always pay my bills and don't nick food. However, I went through a succession of housemates during University who thought that it was fine to come in at 4am and yell at *me* when I asked them to turn down their music and stop running up and down the stairs/slamming doors when I had work the next day. Sadly the only girl I got on with aside from my lovely coursemate who lived upstairs and whose room we could just chill in watching TV and playing Nintendogs, failed her course and moved away ;_; There was one other guy who also never caused any problems and a girl who was always at her boyfriend's house. I think my last arrangement living with those three just before moving to Korea was the best. The first three housemates were nightmares - one of them even tried to force his way into my room during an argument. He was scary as hell.
I am so, so glad to live in a goshiwon now - I have everything I need in my own little room. The place is really nice and peaceful/quiet and it's cheap. I do miss my Mum (because she is after all thousands of miles away.) but at the same time having lived away from home for the past six years I do love my freedom.
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Bill307
Canada9103 Posts
On September 14 2009 01:01 Code wrote:
I would recommend that if your lease is up or people are moving out (school year is over, people are finding new place next year, etc) that you do not be the last one out of the place.
To add to this: the last person to move out is also at risk of being left to clean everything.
On the up side, you get to take home all the little things people leave behind: soap, paper towels, garbage bags, cleaners, toilet paper, even lightbulbs. 
(Yes, I actually know a guy who brought like 8 fluorescent bulbs with him when he moved in, then took them all back when he moved out. Fucker owes me $120 in utilities and he never cleaned anything before he left, either.)
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On September 14 2009 04:28 micronesia wrote:
This is the mindset I still don't totally understand. How do you make this work? If you can't get a job in your field which pays decently, and let's say you bite the bullet and get some retail or other job that is not that much above minimum wage, then how are you going to pay for rent, plus student loans, plus car insurance and other expenses? It just won't work unless you get a great deal with several other roommates or something like that (and even still is questionable).... is that what you mean? Also, living at home a few years may make it much easier for you to build up your credit and gain long-term financial independence/power, so there is more to staying home than just refusing to grow up...
To be honest, you should have been working on all this while earning your undergraduate degree (not to mention all the summers you could have been working). You're behind if you haven't reached any sort of financial independence by the time grad school rolls around. Admittedly, yeah, there's a lot more to it than that, and no it isn't easy. There are just too many people who ride on their parents' coattails for far longer than they should.
When you have an undergraduate degree you simply no longer have any sort of moral justification for sucking off of your parents' resources. If that means a cheaper car, or a worse place to live, or some midnight shifts in the mean time, then it's only fair. They've been paying for you for their whole lives, and you've got a freaking college degree. People support families off of less.
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Bill307
Canada9103 Posts
Overall, I think I've been lucky with the random people I've been stuck living with over the last 6 years. I've lived with some characters and have a number of stories, though.
I once lived at a place where the refridgerator was so old, it was literally raining inside the fridge! Moisture would enter through gaps in the door, condense on the top of the fridge, and rain down onto the food below. When we asked the landlord (who lived there the month before) about it, she said she and the other tenants simply covered all their food with plastic bags.
At that same place, the washing machine was so old that it wouldn't run unless you stood beside it and manually pressed-in the progress knob. For the entire 30-minute cycle. We did get both the fridge and washing machine replaced, though.
You know the out-pipe from the washing machine? You know how it has to be kept above the level of the washing machine, because there is no valve or anything to separate it from the water inside the machine (so the water would just pour out if it wasn't high enough)? Well, when the aforementioned new washing machine arrived, the landlord used a single strip of duct tape to "secure" the out-pipe. Tape got wet. Tape fell off during a wash cycle while I was upstairs. Washing machine proceeded to flood the basement for the next ~20 minutes before I came down to take my clothes out. Literally: there was about 2 inches / 5 cm of water on the ground, and the basement drain was clogged from all the dryer lint that people kept leaving on the ground. The landlord then tried to make me pay for the water damage even though her negligence caused it, whereas there was nothing I could've realistically done to stop it. -_-
I was actually renting this place with a couple of my friends. It was great for about 1 week. Then my friends discovered mould growing all over the walls in their basement rooms. As it turned out, the previous landlord had painted over the mould just before selling the place to the current, newbie landlord, and the mould didn't grow through until now. It was so bad my friends would wake up each morning feeling like they were ill, so they cancelled the lease and moved out. And the newbie landlord got stuck with having to pay for the walls to be torn down and replaced to make those rooms inhabitable again.
Moving on, there was a guy I lived with who once said to me, "Bill, I'm going to die tonight." He was driving to Toronto that evening to see his girlfriend, and it was snow and freezing rain outside. I told him he just had to drive slowly and he'd be fine. He comes home the next day in a different car. Apparently he hit black ice on the highway. While travelling at 140 km/s. Smart guy.
This guy also used to think that the thermostat worked by pushing the needle all the way to the right to turn it to "full power". Of course, this really meant turning the heat and AC up to 40 Celsius. He did this repeatedly, and we explained it to him repeatedly. He lived with us for 8 months and never figured it out.
This guy had a tendancy to buy bags of apples, eat like 2 apples from them, then put the rest in the fridge. When he moved out, another housemate and I decided to clean out the fridge. We discovered that literally 1/3 of the fridge was filled with bags of rotting apples. This explained the odour, which was so bad that anything not-airtight would literally taste like rotting food after spending a day in the fridge.
I lived with a girl who got SUPER PISSED at me once for moving her clothes out of the dryer so I could put mine in. Even though she would move my clothes out all the time. By the way, this girl moved in after the previous tenant moved out with a $94 debt to me in utiliites. She was sympathetic and thought it was terrible that someone would cheat me out of money like that. She even spoke to the previous tenant and told her she should pay me. She later disappeared while owing me $33 in utilities.
Speaking of living with your gf, I once shared a house with a random guy, his girlfriend, and another random. The guy and girl broke up during the first week of the year-long lease. They actually managed to live together through make-ups and break-ups for the next 6 months before the girl just stopped coming home one day. It didn't help that the guy was paying for ALL the girl's rent and utilities, and he had to continue paying her share even after she left. 
I once lived in a house where, in order to lock the front door, you had to hold it shut as you turned the lock. 6 other people lived there at various times, but only 2 of them ever figured out how to lock the door.
I lived at a place where the 8-year-old boys across the street once asked my 20-year-old female housemate to have sex with them. And they were serious. I'm pretty sure they were from the white trash families living across the street. Every few days, the ~8-year-old kids would be off playing somewhere, and this fat ugly mother would waddle outside and yell at them: "IF YOU KIDS DON'T GET THE FUCK OVER HERE RIGHT NOW, I'M GOING TO BREAK YOUR FUCKING NECKS!!" Repeatedly, until she got tired and went back inside. Those families scared me.
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damn I wanna move out too, in Finland government support young student to move away from their parents and basically they will pay for your rent...
BUT my parents don't allowed me to move =(((
maybe because I'm Asian =(
I WANNA FREEDOM...!!!
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