NBA Offseason Thread 2009 - Page 27

On July 03 2009 11:36 Jibba wrote:
but what makes you think Bosh is going to get 13? His next contract is going to be above 17.

On July 03 2009 12:21 tenbagger wrote:


the max a player with 6 or less years of exp can earn is 13 and change. for 7-9 years of exp it becomes 16 and change. So yeah, the avg for the life of the contract will be around 16+ but for the first couple years of the contract, the cap hit will be 13 and change.

On July 03 2009 12:25 Jibba wrote:
Mike James averaged 20/6 during that 27 win season. They've had Mo Pete (who avged 17 ppg that season), CV, Calderon, Ford, Matrix, JO, Alston, Rose (on his last legs, but he was putting up good numbers), Barnagni, etc. Not all stars, but solid players that should get you 40 wins with a superstar. The Ricky Davis Celtics were better than the Raptors that year.

Look at it this way. We can all (besides Servolisk) agree that Bosh has an elite skill set that makes him potentially unstoppable on offense. He's tall, quick, can shoot and I don't think there's a PF/C who can keep up with him on that end. Why is he only averaging 22ppg? He can score at will, but he never really pushes it. There's been other players with that kind of potential (one of them has an ugly awkward bald patch) and I wouldn't call them superstars. Younger Garnett was similar to that, except he did score more and he was a much better player on the other end.

On July 03 2009 12:32 Ace wrote:



That's the only guy that can help you to 40 wins. Come on, CV and Barnagni were new and barely developed. Everyone one else...:/

Come on I know you don't think a lineup with Mo Pete and Mike James is going to get you to 40 wins.

Also remember the system Chris Bosh plays in. He's an efficient scorer but he isn't the sole option offensively or even a highly fed superstar. Put him on a team like Minnesota where just about everything goes into the post and he'd have much higher numbers.

On July 03 2009 12:36 igotmyown wrote:
For the 2008-2009 season offensive win shares defense win shares total win shares
Chris Bosh 6.7 3.1 9.7
Tim Duncan 4.8 4.9 9.7
Dirk Nowitzki 7.5 3.4 10.9
Dwight Howard 6.2 7.6 13.9
Kevin Garnett 3.1 4.1 7.0 (he was at 12 a season ago)
Pau Gasol 10.1 4.3 14.3 (! but career-wise he's more of a 9-11)
LaMarcus Aldridge 5.8 3.1 8.9
Shaquille O'Neal 5.9 2.3 8.2
Yao Ming 5.5 4.9 10.4
Amare 4.8 1.5 6.3 (was 11.4 3.9 15.3 a season ago)

Note it's summed not averaged, so injuries kill you. Al Jefferson's 4.9

I'd go Dwight Howard, Gasol, Nowitzki, Bosh, Duncan, and as a wild card Amare. If Duncan's healthy, I'd put him at #3, he's easily #2 defensively,

On July 03 2009 12:27 Jibba wrote:

It's % of the cap when that number is higher than the static figures. He'll earn 30% of whatever cap the NBA sets, which will be about 17 and increasing.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/toronto.htm

On July 03 2009 12:58 Servolisk wrote:
Uh, reading plz. I did not say Gordon was better than Bosh (HT, you see things which aren't there, which is why you like Chauncey) or has proven more.

Although, I honestly prefer signing BG than Bosh, whose name always made me queasy when discussion of Detroit's capspace came up.

I don't really think of Bosh as a winner. Think of his horrendous playoff series against Mikki Moore and the other greats of the nets that he blew against in the playoffs. Or how he sets goals for himself to put on muscle and then gives up. I am surprised no one mentioned his lack of weight and post game. I don't think any team with Bosh as their first or second best player is going to win anything (unless they somehow manage to be very well balanced despite the 16-20 million contract he is going to get). I like Shaq's RuPaul comparison of Bosh -_-

On July 03 2009 10:51 XaI)CyRiC wrote:


Shaq is MUCH older, can only be played limited minutes and thus can only be used as a role player at this point in his career, and unable to guard the pick&roll (which is a very common tactic used by teams in the NBA)

Amare cannot create offense for himself and is thus very reliant upon having another star who can set him up and has very questionable defense; it also remains to be seen how well his knees will hold up after those surgeries and how his eye injuries affect him next season

Boozer is an undersized, less-defense, less-athletic, selfish version of Bosh

Aldridge has proven even less than Bosh, and it's not even close, but he does have Bosh-like potential

On July 03 2009 13:10 HonestTea wrote:



oh ok. sorry.


I think we're all missing the real point here.

the point is WE SHOULD HAVE FUCKING DRAFTED BOSH IN THE FIRST PLACE


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On July 03 2009 11:23 Ace wrote:



whhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhat!?

you're kidding right? :/

In the Eastern Conference the only person more valuable than Chris Bosh overall is Dwight Howard and that's solely because of his defense and the system he plays in.

For the league overall there are very few players anyone would pick over Bosh:

Duncan
Nowitzki (arguable)
Shaq
Aldridge (arguable)
Garnett
Gasol
Howard

Anyone else we'd add to this list? Read about the scouting reports on this guy and see after Lebron James every team with $$ was salivating on this dude so badly. He can play both PF/C, play defense and shoot really well. The only thing I can recall him suffering from is bad decision making, which playing on a Toronto team when Calderon was hurt is understandable sicne he had to do so much.

On July 03 2009 11:50 Jibba wrote:

I say it because the Raptors have been especially atrocious in all but 1 of his years there and when you look at their rosters it just doesn't support it.

Do teams with superstars go 27-55 in the East when your #2 is playing out of his mind and they've got the kind of role players the Raptors did? Even when Calderon got healthy, they were bad. It's not even fathomable that a team with a "dominating big" and the PGs they've had would be a bottom feeder in the East. Even in the West, you expect superstar big + good PG = playoffs.

On July 03 2009 12:25 Jibba wrote:
Mike James averaged 20/6 during that 27 win season. They've had Mo Pete (who avged 17 ppg that season), CV, Calderon, Ford, Matrix, JO, Alston, Rose (on his last legs, but he was putting up good numbers), Barnagni, etc. Not all stars, but solid players that should get you 40 wins with a superstar. The Ricky Davis Celtics were better than the Raptors that year.

Look at it this way. We can all (besides Servolisk) agree that Bosh has an elite skill set that makes him potentially unstoppable on offense. He's tall, quick, can shoot and I don't think there's a PF/C who can keep up with him on that end. Why is he only averaging 22ppg? He can score at will, but he never really pushes it. There's been other players with that kind of potential (one of them has an ugly awkward bald patch) and I wouldn't call them superstars. Younger Garnett was similar to that, except he did score more and he was a much better player on the other end, which is what made him a superstar.