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So I've already talked to Atrioc and I'll just post the list. He agreed to change enough so the format has a chance of being fair.
4 Savior
16 MSL 1-3, OSL 1
4 TLPD
4 SCII Hype
4 OSL Selection
4 Fan
4 Ganzi
4 MVP
4 Baby
4 Oov
8 Woonjin Energy
The deck averages a turn 2-3 kill. The reason everyone else's decks were so much weaker than necessary is that all should have 4 Fan, 4 Ganzi, 4 TLPD, 4 OSL, and 4 SCII hype. If you have any background playing MTG T1 combo or old extended combo decks, you'll generate be able to always kill by turn 3 with few exceptions. Turn 1 ganzi has never not led to a turn 3 or sooner win. Oov for Oov for Oov for Oov for Ganzi thins your deck by 4 additional cards. I checked and typically you will see 24 cards by the end of turn 1 and 40 by turn 2.
See why I was skeptical at how good decks based around turn 3 might be? Even if you are only a mediocre combo player, the deck still goes off by then with little effort. The only answer is for everyone to play the same engine with MSL selection in it and cast it on turn 2 before a turn 3 win. Some format that would be...
EDIT: Forgot to point out that Ganzi is hands down the best card in the format currently.
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all guides.... bow down to ur master...
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Yeah figured you had your Tendrils Perfect Storm deck built  Wow Ganzi really is the trick to breaking the deck, though! I briefly tested it without Ganzi and figured it was capable, though inconsistent, of achieving a guaranteed win. Given that Pokemon was previously most often a best-of-one game I figured a deck like this wouldn't be able compete since it is inconsistent, even given the amazing drawing engines available. Search for TLPD with Ganzi, tutor for the win though is pretty clutch. Maybe this is the 'knee-jerk reaction' you were worried about, but I think something needs to be done.
Honestly I think the Bonjwa mechanic is a little lame though, without any real 'combos' to enable a guaranteed instantaneous win, as with the similar mechanic in YGO. I don't know which would be better to cut, Ganzi or Bonjwa mechanic though.
By himself, Ganzi is not inherently broken, as in the later developments of Pokemon, the value of using an attack opportunity has risen greatly. So using an attack to acquire a Special isn't really broken when he will most likely be killed on your next turn. Unless of course that attack allows you to win by comboing out.
Lets take this to PM
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HonestTea
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NNNNNNNNEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRDDDDDDDDDDSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!
*runs away*
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I'm pretty sure there will be an in-house rule/agreement between the players that Bonjwa cards will not be allowed.
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Baa?21244 Posts
This seems like it's gonna be preeeeeetty awesome.
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MTG it reminds me of too..
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On June 16 2009 16:07 GTR wrote:
I'm pretty sure there will be an in-house rule/agreement between the players that Bonjwa cards will not be allowed.
You could limit all the Bonjwa cards to 1 each, as was done in Yu-Gi-Oh. It's not exactly the best solution if you want to keep the Bonjwa cards in the game, but it's a start.
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There is a free online application for magic the gathering called Magic Workstation that you could use to easily turn this into an online game. The link is below:
http://www.magicworkstation.com/
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United States8476 Posts
Neo haymaker/bench deck
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This is similar to the sneasel decks that came out when snesasel was released in around the 5th expansion. It tries to load up your bench as fast as possible and then attack with extremely powerful bench-based attacks. This deck was considered the new school haymaker.
Players(14)
4x Ilove00v
4x Iris
4x Kwanro
2x Ganzi
Specials(29)
4x OSL Group Selection
4x Starcraft II Hype
4x TLPD
4x Liquidpedia
3x The Path of the Night
2x Korean Netizens
3x Poor Coaching
3x Kespa Interference
2x Rush Hour III
Team Cards(17)
11x CJ Entus
6x Wonjin Stars
By the way, most people unfamiliar with pokemond TCG don't realize that all successful decks should have around 1/2 specials.
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Atrioc you are really the man, your work on this game rocks... such a great idea, but the cards (in a look way really did not like me)... but thats just a minimal part. I see that people is giving their own models of cards so during the proleagues games of tonight I work on a Card taking the MTG base of a Futureship card... this is an example (took alot of tie do the template for the card but now with that is only modify the text and the images).
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If you like it I could help you to make anothers =D
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The Bonjwa cards are terrible, we don't need to nerf them. Ganzi is inherently tooooooooo good if you can use his ability turn 1, which is hopefully the fix in store. It doesn't matter that he goes and gets the win directly or just digs out card drawing, whoever gets his Ganzi active is going to win regardless if he plays tight. Something as simple as Oov for Ganzi, Ganzi for Poor Coaching, Poor Coaching on Oov before he dies WILL win the game with tight play. This game is currently closer to Magic than Pokemon due to weakness of Tier 3 and overpowered Basics.
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On June 16 2009 15:11 Sleight wrote:4 Savior
16 MSL 1-3, OSL 1
4 TLPD
4 SCII Hype
4 OSL Selection
4 Fan
4 Ganzi
4 MVP
4 Baby
4 Oov
8 Woonjin Energy
Why do you have Baby in this deck? Since I imagine that you aren't even going to try attacking with him, it seems like it would be substantially more productive to have another random player with a retreat cost of 0 to get Ganzi online faster. It really shouldn't matter whether or not Oov can search for the second blank, since it's impossible for all four Ganzis and all four MVPs to be in the starting hand anyways, but even so Saint, idra, or Lomo would be a better choice. Otherwise Young, thezerg, Hoejja, etc. still seem superior.
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What's the second winning strategy that you mentioned?
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Baby is there because you need to have a basic and you don't want to have to play Oov into the booth, though he should be GoGo. He NEEDS 5 stamina because plenty of guys deal 2 each time or deal 2 and they could be your weak match. In case of a poor draw, you want to make sure Ganzi isn't exposed before you have at least another card. You'd rather play Gogo in the box turn 1, then play Oov for oov ad nauseum for Ganzi and put an Energy on Ganzi. Then you can immeditately GG Gogo/MVP and bring out Ganzi. Also, there are no other cards more useful than a basic with zero/cheap GG cost. I jsut missed Gogo.
My bad.
The 2nd list will be forth coming once Atrioc updates the cards. It's pointless because the above list is just the flat out best deck period. This format however is already obsolete.
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MTG ruined my life . >.>
For those asking how to play, you can just print it out and use it on sleeves on other tcg decks u have, if not sleeves are pretty cheap and useful anyway.
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My samsung deck yo !
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Progamers (17)
3x stork
3x jangbi
3x firebathero
2x great
2x odin
2x Frozean
2x yoon
Special cards(17)
2x B-teamer
2x Ceremony
2x TLPD
2x The path of the night
1x Starcraft II hype
2x Progamer equipment
1x OSL group selection
1x MSL group selection
2x Kespa Interference
2x Fangirls
Maps(6)
2x Tiamat
2x neo Medusa
2x tears of the moon
Team cards (20)
20x Samsung Khan
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i hope this doesnt replace bw..... it has a good chance to anyway
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Excuse me for not reading the thread comments but is there any info on an online version of this game?
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