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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-14 18:32:11
August 14 2014 04:05 GMT
#5481
+ Show Spoiler +
I hit this first try then put handcam on, missed it once and then got handcam on third run




I. FUCKING. LOVE. THIS. GAME.

circle size 6.5 at a frequency of 4 per second (240bpm full beats)
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
August 14 2014 22:59 GMT
#5482
Today i got owned by a 133k ranked player in mp. TT
Athough we did play some ridiculous maps, the difference was too big to be called a fluke or a matter of different specialisation. Especially the way i lost made me realise how much there still is to improve. I have to admit i was becoming somewhat arrogant because of how easy farming sometimes was, or how easy i beat (lower ranked) people in mp.
But no more.
I want to be able to play anything, no matter how hard, unconventional, fast, streamy or jumpy something is. I don't want to lose to any pro any more. I want to become réally good at this game.

And i want to be asked for owc damnit. :@ I'll show them next year
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-14 23:28:36
August 14 2014 23:28 GMT
#5483
There's no way a 133k ranked player could stand any kind of chance against you. Do you mean 13k? That i could maybe believe with some weird niche maps but it's still insane.

I know a few players around 40-50k. I can usually throw up DT and beat their accuracy on my first play on a ton of maps, and i'm nowhere near as good as you. 133k is pretty abysmal, skyR got to like 60k extremely quickly

Also: I wanna see handcams of you aiming! Especially maps like the one above.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-15 00:13:04
August 15 2014 00:05 GMT
#5484
I made no mistake, it was 133k. In order to be that good and have no rank whatsoever, you have to play insane dt's without ever getting a 'good' result. We played things like https://osu.ppy.sh/s/10406 with dt (of course, no one passed it)
But he got significantly higher accuracy. Think about 10% on average every song.

I may get a friend of mine to film my mouse while trying to pass some jump map or something. I don't have a webcam, so it's slightly more of a hassle than your video's i think.

Edit: And i asked to be invited next time he made such a (private room). As he promised to do so, ill try to get better and kick his ass next time, although that's probably easier said than done.

edit2: What map did you play exactly in that vid?

edit3: Profile is 19 days old, must be a smurf right? :')
falconfan02
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States231 Posts
August 15 2014 00:20 GMT
#5485
So I've been playing this game on and off for over a year, but I've never worried about rank or how good I was in comparison to others. But after browsing this thread a bit I'm now curious. My overall rank is 177461, which from what I can gather is pretty much bronze league lol. I'm playing ~4.5 star maps and have beaten a handful with AR9, but only with about 85% accuracy. Is my assessment of bronze correct, or is there more I should take into account.

Also going to start participating more in this thread and perhaps take the game more seriously. Using keyboard/mouse atm
maru~
Profile Joined February 2013
2345 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-15 00:39:23
August 15 2014 00:24 GMT
#5486
On August 15 2014 09:05 Yorbon wrote:
edit3: Profile is 19 days old, must be a smurf right? :')

Duh... Well, it was fairly obvious from your discription above already. When I read your first post I thought maybe you played easy mode on high bpm maps or something.


On August 15 2014 09:20 falconfan02 wrote:
So I've been playing this game on and off for over a year, but I've never worried about rank or how good I was in comparison to others. But after browsing this thread a bit I'm now curious. My overall rank is 177461, which from what I can gather is pretty much bronze league lol. I'm playing ~4.5 star maps and have beaten a handful with AR9, but only with about 85% accuracy. Is my assessment of bronze correct, or is there more I should take into account.

Also going to start participating more in this thread and perhaps take the game more seriously. Using keyboard/mouse atm

Not sure how it compares to bronze league but yes, 170k is quite high. Though I would assume if you can pass 4.5 star ar9 maps you could rank up quite easily.
Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-15 00:38:27
August 15 2014 00:37 GMT
#5487
On August 15 2014 09:20 falconfan02 wrote:
So I've been playing this game on and off for over a year, but I've never worried about rank or how good I was in comparison to others. But after browsing this thread a bit I'm now curious. My overall rank is 177461, which from what I can gather is pretty much bronze league lol. I'm playing ~4.5 star maps and have beaten a handful with AR9, but only with about 85% accuracy. Is my assessment of bronze correct, or is there more I should take into account.

Also going to start participating more in this thread and perhaps take the game more seriously. Using keyboard/mouse atm
177k is pretty much bronze league. But don't be discouraged; if you keep pushing yourself, you will rise up to higher ranks without too much trouble. My first advice is to neglect rank. Just focus on improving, that's the most important part. Once you've become good enough, it will seem like pp is gained with every decent play.

My personal approach at your level (although that was quite some time ago) was to practice maps until i got an A. After that, i thought i could reasonably play a map, and moved on to the next (harder map). So my advice on this point is to try to be able to play the maps you're practicing, but don't overpractice. Getting an SS is not worth the trouble at this point. Of course, if you really want to, go ahead; but i think it's less efficient practice. If you're looking for some hard maps, search for the mapper val0108, if you don't know already. Most will prob be too hard, but practicing those was for me the step between barely playing insane maps, and being comfortable at playing insane maps.

Keyboard + mouse is fine, assuming it fits you. Atm it's really hard to say though.

If you mention your username, i may spectate you for a bit and give some tips if you're interested.

Edit: @maru: actually you're right. I'm an idiot.
Still i want to beat him next time...
maru~
Profile Joined February 2013
2345 Posts
August 15 2014 00:41 GMT
#5488
I think it's a bit too early for val maps lol.

On August 15 2014 09:37 Yorbon wrote:
Still i want to beat him next time...

You can do it. :>
falconfan02
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States231 Posts
August 15 2014 00:42 GMT
#5489
Thanks, some tips would be fantastic, my username is razefalcon. I'll check out those maps too~
Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
August 15 2014 00:44 GMT
#5490
Most val maps also have easier, but very useful insanes. That's why i was referring to them, not necessarily because of the 0108 difficulty. With the new star difficulties, it's very easy to estimate which difficulties are at your level.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
August 15 2014 00:45 GMT
#5491
On August 15 2014 09:20 falconfan02 wrote:
So I've been playing this game on and off for over a year, but I've never worried about rank or how good I was in comparison to others. But after browsing this thread a bit I'm now curious. My overall rank is 177461, which from what I can gather is pretty much bronze league lol. I'm playing ~4.5 star maps and have beaten a handful with AR9, but only with about 85% accuracy. Is my assessment of bronze correct, or is there more I should take into account.

Also going to start participating more in this thread and perhaps take the game more seriously. Using keyboard/mouse atm


I'm rank ~55k and I can't pass AR9 maps ='(
maru~
Profile Joined February 2013
2345 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-15 00:48:18
August 15 2014 00:47 GMT
#5492
On August 15 2014 09:44 Yorbon wrote:
Most val maps also have easier, but very useful insanes. That's why i was referring to them, not necessarily because of the 0108 difficulty. With the new star difficulties, it's very easy to estimate which difficulties are at your level.

True enough, for some reason I keep forgetting that not all his maps are insane (in the true sense of the word, not the osu one).
Rizare
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada592 Posts
August 15 2014 00:55 GMT
#5493
On August 15 2014 09:45 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2014 09:20 falconfan02 wrote:
So I've been playing this game on and off for over a year, but I've never worried about rank or how good I was in comparison to others. But after browsing this thread a bit I'm now curious. My overall rank is 177461, which from what I can gather is pretty much bronze league lol. I'm playing ~4.5 star maps and have beaten a handful with AR9, but only with about 85% accuracy. Is my assessment of bronze correct, or is there more I should take into account.

Also going to start participating more in this thread and perhaps take the game more seriously. Using keyboard/mouse atm


I'm rank ~55k and I can't pass AR9 maps ='(

36k and I can have a hard time with Ar9 above 4 stars. Same boat. You can still somewhat farm ranks, although it isn't as bad as the old system.

Yorbon, what do you usuaally watch for when you spec others? I did that a few time, but I don't really get what you can get out of that like a replay in SC2 or Dota 2 if you're good enough to analyze them.
Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-15 01:13:02
August 15 2014 01:08 GMT
#5494
On August 15 2014 09:55 Rizare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2014 09:45 skyR wrote:
On August 15 2014 09:20 falconfan02 wrote:
So I've been playing this game on and off for over a year, but I've never worried about rank or how good I was in comparison to others. But after browsing this thread a bit I'm now curious. My overall rank is 177461, which from what I can gather is pretty much bronze league lol. I'm playing ~4.5 star maps and have beaten a handful with AR9, but only with about 85% accuracy. Is my assessment of bronze correct, or is there more I should take into account.

Also going to start participating more in this thread and perhaps take the game more seriously. Using keyboard/mouse atm


I'm rank ~55k and I can't pass AR9 maps ='(

36k and I can have a hard time with Ar9 above 4 stars. Same boat. You can still somewhat farm ranks, although it isn't as bad as the old system.

Yorbon, what do you usuaally watch for when you spec others? I did that a few time, but I don't really get what you can get out of that like a replay in SC2 or Dota 2 if you're good enough to analyze them.

Timing and aim consistency for the most part. Although spectating isnt really perfect, you can still catch a lot of hints as to what are the weak points of the person playing. If i see someone miss at certain patterns over and over again, i'll mention that to turn their attention to these patterns. Same with timing; you can hear if one's timing is decent, or very bad. Especially at rythmically more challenging parts, the difference between being able to manage those patterns and not being able is quite apparent via hitsounds. Also, someone with good aim will go straight to the goal (the next circle), while a person with worse aim will make his cursor go inefficient ways (for example a curve instead of a straight line). Also, (easier) sliders are often only crudely followed by beginners. That's also a hint towards aim problems/deficiencies.

Because spectating isnt perfect, conversation with the player is key. Does he recognise what you see? If he does, you might have a point. If he does not, at least it gives the player stuff to think about. Most of the time (if the skill difference is large enough) you're right though..

edit: I never really watch my own replays though. I think it's key to realise what you're doing when playing, meaning you're able to identify what went wrong when you miss/get a load of 100's, while playing. Learning to be self critical on the spot is imo a very important part of improving.
falconfan02
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States231 Posts
August 15 2014 01:16 GMT
#5495
Forgot to ask, how do you go about spectating in this game? Do I need to add you as a friend or anything?
Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
August 15 2014 01:23 GMT
#5496
On August 15 2014 10:16 falconfan02 wrote:
Forgot to ask, how do you go about spectating in this game? Do I need to add you as a friend or anything?
The friend system doesnt do much more than make friends more accessible. I added you already, so i can see when you're online. You can add me too if you'd like (DeViezeMan), but it will not influence the ability to spectate one another or something.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-15 01:42:13
August 15 2014 01:37 GMT
#5497
On August 15 2014 09:05 Yorbon wrote:
I made no mistake, it was 133k. In order to be that good and have no rank whatsoever, you have to play insane dt's without ever getting a 'good' result. We played things like https://osu.ppy.sh/s/10406 with dt (of course, no one passed it)
But he got significantly higher accuracy. Think about 10% on average every song.

I may get a friend of mine to film my mouse while trying to pass some jump map or something. I don't have a webcam, so it's slightly more of a hassle than your video's i think.

Edit: And i asked to be invited next time he made such a (private room). As he promised to do so, ill try to get better and kick his ass next time, although that's probably easier said than done.

edit2: What map did you play exactly in that vid?

edit3: Profile is 19 days old, must be a smurf right? :')


I'l link you the map when i can. I just tried to patch osu and it failed, deleted the osu.exe and i can't actually open the game to start patching again. Been so awkward recently..

On August 15 2014 09:20 falconfan02 wrote:
So I've been playing this game on and off for over a year, but I've never worried about rank or how good I was in comparison to others. But after browsing this thread a bit I'm now curious. My overall rank is 177461, which from what I can gather is pretty much bronze league lol. I'm playing ~4.5 star maps and have beaten a handful with AR9, but only with about 85% accuracy. Is my assessment of bronze correct, or is there more I should take into account.

Also going to start participating more in this thread and perhaps take the game more seriously. Using keyboard/mouse atm



There's no way you can be that good and stuck under 100k ranking unless you don't know what gives points. You only need to get like 30-40pp scores i think to get well past 100k. If you're FC-ing anything, even non-insanes then your rank should fly.


I fixed osu, it's this - http://osu.ppy.sh/b/326688 - I AM A STAR, hr relax.

I find that relax takes some weight off my shoulders and improves my aim, so i still use it for practice and fun. It's obviously helped me a lot recently for raw cursor accuracy, for timing and also for reading higher AR's

when using relax, it's best to set a -10ms offset on the map (just tap "-" a few times) because relax by default hits everything 10ms early if your cursor is on the circle, which actually throws you off rhythm and makes it more awkward even though the timing window for you to hit things is bigger. If you do it right you can see like my video above, it's synced with the beat and you also won't have any hits deviate from the standard timing and go towards the middle/late section, as long as your cursor isn't slow to any of the circles
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
August 15 2014 01:41 GMT
#5498
This is Cyro's map: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/129211
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-15 01:43:45
August 15 2014 01:43 GMT
#5499
Wow skyR you are playing a LOT

what do you think, rank 15k next month?
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
August 15 2014 01:47 GMT
#5500
Don't know about that. I still suck at clicking and I'm so inconsistent.
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