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GGTeMpLaR
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I kinda just wanted to test out the 1600 plate, def shoulda gone with 800 though so I coulda fit neut and better rig. Need to get hull ups V as well before I can use t2 ean. Not that those would have helped me in my situation anyways, but it would be more optimal. Other than those listed, was anything else about it bad? AKA: Care to elaborate with something useful besides "that's a bad fit", such as providing a better fit or at least elaborating on what about it is bad? | ||
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DefMatrixUltra
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On November 28 2011 06:53 GGTeMpLaR wrote: I kinda just wanted to test out the 1600 plate, def shoulda gone with 800 though so I coulda fit neut and better rig. Need to get hull ups V as well before I can use t2 ean. Not that those would have helped me in my situation anyways, but it would be more optimal. Other than those listed, was anything else about it bad? AKA: Care to elaborate with something useful besides "that's a bad fit", such as providing a better fit or at least elaborating on what about it is bad? I'll elaborate on it a bit. I'll go from general complaints to specific ones to keep things orderly. Cruisers shouldn't be AB fit. There are a few exceptions to this. Let's say you're an armor Zealot in a gang with a bunch of other armor Zealots fighting BS-sized fleets. Then you should probably be AB fit. Other than that, the strength of cruisers over BCs is their speed/agility advantage. When you go from BC size ship to cruiser size ship you directly sacrifice DPS, tank, capacitor, and possibly utility for the benefit of speed (and gaining some kind of utility in the case of T2 cruisers). If you're not making use of the speed, you need some sort of specialized purpose to make it sensible. The fit as a whole looks like a brawling fit. Nothing wrong with brawling fits, but there are a couple of issues here. 1) What kind of target will lose a brawl with this? 2) Brawling ships are basically free kills in nullsec where a single bubble and a longpoint mean you will die almost 100%. Laser ships aren't really ideal for brawling because of their inherently "bad" tracking and inherently good long-range damage projection. But if you switched this ship out for a Harbinger it would be better in every way except it would be slower. ~30k more EHP, more damage, and another mid slot to stack webs (and you could/should run an MWD instead). Not to mention the cost difference. The CCC rig is odd. Even if you don't have good cap skills (which, if you're flying Amarr cruisers, you definitely should get those ASAP), this fit has enough cap for 4-6 mins depending on your skills - plenty long enough for you to lose or win whatever fight you're in. It may be that you have fit it as some kind of anti-neuting mechanism, but that's not very effective on cruisers in practice (except T3s). I can't think of a reason not to fit a t2 scram besides availability - so I'll chalk it up to that. You're not using your utility slot which is a goddamned SIN on this ship. -------------------- As for what to do with a Navy Omen: a lot of people see it as a "solo Zealot". The Zealot lacks a drone bay and utility slot suitable for emergency tackle removal that is so essential in very-small-gang action (or solo action) but this ship (sort of) fits the bill. One of the best ways to build this ship is to take advantage of its incredible non-stack-penalizing rate of fire bonus and load it with damage. http://teamliquid.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=10146199 Another way you can do it is to build it a bit more tanky so it can fit more in the nano shield dps role (like a nanoharb but significantly faster). The PDS use is a personal preference. They are completely unnecessary for fitting purposes (unless you're trying to fit HPL IIs). A DCU instead will give more EHP but less shield EHP/Cap. http://teamliquid.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=10528278 The real key in using cruisers is to always keep in mind their weaknesses (rather than their strengths) and the opportunity costs associated with using them. If you always keep that in mind when making a fit, you'll come out with something sensible every time. This is actually why there are very few good uses for most T1 cruisers. The opportunity costs associated with using them are very large. | ||
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Warri
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[23:46:30] Gen Eve > http://moa.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11710609 [23:46:39] Gen Eve > keep on erasing loses lol [23:46:50] Miss Mikakka > dude [23:46:50] Gen Eve > everone to see [23:46:53] Miss Mikakka > our killboard is eve-kill [23:46:59] Miss Mikakka > if anything only the eve-kill admins can erase kills [23:47:07] Miss Mikakka > please get real [23:47:11] Gen Eve > haha [23:47:19] Miss Mikakka > if you look closer [23:47:22] Miss Mikakka > that guy is not in hatchery [23:47:26] Miss Mikakka > so he doesnt appear on the hatcheryk illboard [23:47:28] Miss Mikakka > sounds logical? [23:47:41] Gen Eve > you must be brain dead [23:47:47] Gen Eve > it is TL KB [23:47:49] Gen Eve > he is TL [23:47:54] Gen Eve > he is not on los [23:48:05] Gen Eve > you separated corps with API pulls [23:48:13] Gen Eve > but you show alliance KB [23:48:15] Miss Mikakka > just because [23:48:19] Miss Mikakka > the url says teamliquid [23:48:22] Miss Mikakka > doesnt mean its a teamliquid killboard [23:48:27] Miss Mikakka > because the alliance got created am onth ag [23:48:29] Miss Mikakka > ago* [23:48:29] Gen Eve > but stats include TL [23:48:34] Miss Mikakka > whereas that killboard is a year old [23:48:38] Gen Eve > so stats are 100% fail and skewed [23:49:02] Miss Mikakka > so? [23:49:02] Gen Eve > http://teamliquid.killmail.org/?a=home [23:49:04] Miss Mikakka > yours are too [23:49:08] Miss Mikakka > you fly with goons [23:49:08] Gen Eve > HAHHAA [23:49:11] Miss Mikakka > and dont count their losses [23:49:12] Gen Eve > you admited [23:49:16] Miss Mikakka > i admitted [23:49:18] Miss Mikakka > that only hatchery stats [23:49:22] Miss Mikakka > are shown on the hatchery killboard [23:49:25] Miss Mikakka > not teamliquid stats [23:49:26] Miss Mikakka > )) [23:49:30] Gen Eve > on your KB our campaign is few months so is current [23:49:36] Gen Eve > so [23:49:38] Gen Eve > get more spies [23:49:39] Annihilatus > IF ITS NOT BATTLECLINIC ITS BULLSHIT [23:49:43] Annihilatus > how about that [23:49:44] Gen Eve > get on out TS for 5th time [23:49:48] Gen Eve > and maybe you do better [23:49:53] Miss Mikakka > better than we already do? [23:49:57] Miss Mikakka > thats pretty hard [23:50:00] Miss Mikakka > i dont get your point anyway [23:50:11] Annihilatus > battleclinic is hard shit [23:50:28] snugglewooby > wow guys [23:50:35] snugglewooby > that is some eeleet peeveepee [23:51:15] Miss Mikakka > you know what the best thing about eve-kill killboard is? [23:51:20] Miss Mikakka > they are synced [23:51:23] Gen Eve > you mad m8t [23:51:33] Miss Mikakka > http://teamliquid.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11710609 [23:51:39] Miss Mikakka > wanna know how idid that?)) [23:51:40] Miss Mikakka > u mad? [23:51:42] Gen Eve > if you have balls stay in TL and not hide in corps sping 24/7 [23:52:04] Miss Mikakka > what does this have to do with balls [23:52:05] Miss Mikakka > xD [23:52:27] Annihilatus > Name: Corp: Alliance: Date: Ship: Location: David ClausewitzThe Spawning PoolTeam Liquid2011-11-27 20:4 [23:52:33] Annihilatus > didnt you say he wasent in team liquid [23:52:49] Miss Mikakka > i said [23:52:53] Miss Mikakka > he is not in hatchery [23:52:58] Miss Mikakka > what the fuck is wrong with you people [23:52:59] Miss Mikakka > are you retarded [23:53:09] Annihilatus > im pretty sure he was calling out your allaince [23:53:19] Miss Mikakka > he was calling out [23:53:23] Miss Mikakka > us erasing kills [23:53:35] Gen Eve > you are [23:53:36] Miss Mikakka > which 1) we cant because none of us is an eve-kill admin [23:53:45] Miss Mikakka > 2) our killboard is a hatcheryk illboard despite the url being teamliquid [23:53:47] Gen Eve > i showed you in local what you do [23:53:54] snugglewooby > wow all this e-peen smells like shit [23:53:59] Miss Mikakka > you showed me in local that you are retarded [23:53:59] Annihilatus > well, you can remove them from your own killboard [23:54:04] Miss Mikakka > and do not understand how killboard works [23:54:16] Gen Eve > i can take industry corps from MOA KB and make new API pulls so their losses dont show [23:54:18] Annihilatus > whoever created your killboard is its admin [23:54:26] Gen Eve > but I dont do it since is not proper [23:54:29] Miss Mikakka > no anni [23:54:32] Miss Mikakka > wee dont host the killboard [23:54:36] Miss Mikakka > we pay eve-kill for it [23:54:37] Annihilatus > ohk [23:54:48] Miss Mikakka > all we can do is [23:54:55] Miss Mikakka > define what shows up on it and what does not [23:54:57] snugglewooby > talk in local? [23:54:59] Annihilatus > im still gunna stick with my motto of, battleclinics legit, the rest really arent [23:55:02] Miss Mikakka > and it currently only shows the hatchery losses [23:55:20] Gen Eve > you really must the this dumb not understading what is going on and how your TL board is manipulated [23:55:27] Miss Mikakka > and by what shows up i mean on the frontpage [23:55:31] Miss Mikakka > because as i siad [23:55:34] snugglewooby > I'm gay AND stupid [23:55:37] Miss Mikakka > all eve-kill kbs are synced [23:55:44] Miss Mikakka > so you can search someone on every kb and get their stats [23:55:54] Miss Mikakka > http://teamliquid.killmail.org/?a=alliance_detail&all_id=4059 [23:55:56] ROSACHG > pero vosotros neutrales sois gilipollas o que? [23:55:57] Miss Mikakka > just like that)) [23:56:37] Gen Eve > that is useless [23:56:40] Gen Eve > 100% [23:56:46] Miss Mikakka > how so [23:56:46] Gen Eve > is make believe [23:56:51] Gen Eve > i explained you [23:56:55] Miss Mikakka > no you didnt [23:56:57] Miss Mikakka > try again [23:57:09] Gen Eve > http://teamliquid.killmail.org/?a=home [23:57:13] Gen Eve > see front page [23:57:20] Miss Mikakka > on front page [23:57:23] Miss Mikakka > only the hatchery losses appear [23:57:32] Gen Eve > ok [23:57:35] Miss Mikakka > because its a "the hatchery" kill board [23:57:39] Gen Eve > but you liked stats for TL [23:57:42] Miss Mikakka > hsoted by eve-kill [23:57:43] Miss Mikakka > yes [23:57:52] Gen Eve > so is skewed [23:57:57] Miss Mikakka > do you know http://eve-kill.net/ this site [23:58:05] Miss Mikakka > look what i can do with it [23:58:16] Annihilatus > well, gens right [23:58:16] Miss Mikakka > http://eve-kill.net/?a=alliance_detail&all_id=4059 [23:58:17] Miss Mikakka > MAGIC [23:58:30] Annihilatus > or your kd is messed up [23:58:35] Annihilatus > why is it a TL page [23:58:41] Annihilatus > and just hatchery kb? [23:58:46] Miss Mikakka > http://teamliquid.killmail.org/?a=alliance_detail&all_id=310 [23:58:47] Miss Mikakka > even more magic [23:58:48] Miss Mikakka > xD [23:58:50] Miss Mikakka > because the alliance [23:58:52] Annihilatus > shouldent the hatchery have its own kb [23:58:52] Miss Mikakka > was created a month ago [23:58:59] Miss Mikakka > just for fun [23:59:01] Miss Mikakka > and giggles [23:59:04] Annihilatus > thats a pretty bad answer man [23:59:09] Miss Mikakka > to confuse guys like you)) [23:59:13] Miss Mikakka > well no it isnt [23:59:16] Miss Mikakka > because you can olook it up ingame [23:59:18] Annihilatus > i just use bclinic [23:59:20] Miss Mikakka > when the alliance was created [23:59:27] Annihilatus > that doesent answer my question [23:59:30] Annihilatus > thats why its a bad answer [23:59:50] Annihilatus > what im wondering is why, on the TEAM LIQUID KILLBOARDS, there is only hatchery [00:00:03] Annihilatus > so, team liquid does not have an official KB? [00:00:12] Annihilatus > because you made the allaince 3 months ago doesent answer shit [00:00:19] Miss Mikakka > it doesnt, you can look up tl stats when you search for it on ANY eve-kill kb [00:00:36] Gen Eve > he is not getting it [00:00:36] Annihilatus > ok, so this is hatcherys page [00:00:42] Annihilatus > and team liquid doesent have a kb of thier own [00:00:47] Miss Mikakka > that is correct [00:00:53] Miss Mikakka > spawning pool has their own killboard tho [00:00:59] snugglewooby > E PEEN! [00:00:59] Gen Eve > you cannot make campaign EARLIER then alliance existed [00:01:00] Annihilatus > then rename your urls [00:01:09] Miss Mikakka > the campagin is [00:01:10] Miss Mikakka > corp wide [00:01:10] Annihilatus > and tell your webmasters to fail less [00:01:14] Gen Eve > so KB was made 1ST then campaing and stats [00:01:22] Gen Eve > Kwark chose to play with stats [00:01:26] Annihilatus > im with gen on this one, stop bullshittting [00:01:31] Miss Mikakka > kb was made a year ago [00:01:39] Miss Mikakka > am i getting trolled [00:01:42] Miss Mikakka > or are you just that stupid [00:01:44] Miss Mikakka > i seriously cant tell [00:01:48] Miss Mikakka > any goons can help me with this? :S [00:01:56] Zhang Shujuan > it's my fault, i made the kb [00:01:59] snugglewooby > fofofofofofofofofofo [00:02:02] snugglewooby > fofofofofofofofo [00:02:04] snugglewooby > fofofofofofofofofo [00:02:07] snugglewooby > foofofofofofofo [00:02:09] snugglewooby > fofofofofofofo [00:02:11] snugglewooby > fofofofofofofo [00:02:11] Gen Eve > exactly [00:02:35] Miss Mikakka > and now eve-kill is down [00:02:39] Miss Mikakka > both moa and hatchery kb dead [00:02:40] Miss Mikakka > [00:02:53] Miss Mikakka > if you didnt notice yet [00:02:57] Miss Mikakka > your kb is also hosted by eve-kill [00:02:58] Miss Mikakka > ) [00:03:45] Annihilatus > http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=alliance&name=Team Liquid&page=2#losses [00:03:51] Annihilatus > wheres the tengu that died yesterday eh? [00:04:13] Miss Mikakka > we deleted it from battleclinic [00:04:19] Miss Mikakka > because we have the power to do that [00:04:21] Miss Mikakka > lolllllll [00:04:25] Undertovv > lol [00:04:29] snugglewooby > fofofofofofofofofofo [00:04:50] Annihilatus > and you say you dont bullshit your killboards, shut up man [00:04:53] Miss Mikakka > <url=showinfo:1375//90381226>capiru jonez</url> [00:04:55] Miss Mikakka > if you look closer [00:04:59] Miss Mikakka > hes not even in hatchery [00:05:03] Miss Mikakka > nto been for 6 month [00:05:19] Miss Mikakka > and that has nothing to do with the killboard [00:05:29] Miss Mikakka > you know you can include that in your campaign [00:05:33] Miss Mikakka > and ocunt it as a TL loss [00:05:39] Miss Mikakka > then we include goons and fa and tnt and whatnot [00:05:44] Miss Mikakka > and count it as MoA loss [00:05:51] Miss Mikakka > lets see who gets the better from it)) [00:06:37] Annihilatus > eh [00:06:41] snugglewooby > where is your e-honour? [00:06:50] Miss Mikakka > fucking eve-kill getting le 500 now [00:06:51] Annihilatus > im done with this, your e-peen is clearly unmatched [00:07:03] snugglewooby > honour duel at the sun [00:07:07] Miss Mikakka > this has nothing to do with e-peen or kb stats or anything [00:07:08] snugglewooby > for honour [00:07:10] Miss Mikakka > its just how killboards work [00:07:10] Miss Mikakka > ) [00:07:24] snugglewooby > prove your e-peen at the sun noble space samurai [00:07:26] Annihilatus > killboards that arent battleclinic are bullshit [00:07:37] Annihilatus > yeah, go 1v1 him [00:07:40] snugglewooby > your e-honour compells you [00:07:57] Miss Mikakka > so you agree [00:08:02] Miss Mikakka > that moa.killmail.org [00:08:03] Miss Mikakka > is bullshit [00:08:11] Miss Mikakka > sry i mean [00:08:15] Miss Mikakka > http://moa.eve-kill.net that one [00:08:28] snugglewooby > sire, your honour has been cahlleneged [00:08:34] snugglewooby > you must accept [00:08:37] Annihilatus > i agree that anything thats not battleclinic is bullshit [00:08:37] Miss Mikakka > sir im a covops [00:08:42] Miss Mikakka > i dont have any offensive modules on my ship [00:08:47] snugglewooby > you are compelled by your superior space bushido [00:08:48] Miss Mikakka > i could pummel you with probes [00:08:57] snugglewooby > that sounds fun [00:08:57] Annihilatus > peoplke odnt post their own losses, and KB passwords means sometimes people cant post your loss [00:09:13] Miss Mikakka > people dont ned to post losses [00:09:16] Miss Mikakka > as i said previously [00:09:20] Miss Mikakka > all eve-kill kbs are synced [00:09:28] Miss Mikakka > if you upload a kill on the moa kb where you kileld a hatchery [00:09:34] Miss Mikakka > it will appear on our kb as a loss [00:09:36] Miss Mikakka > automatically [00:09:44] Miss Mikakka > thats how all eve-kill kbs work [00:09:49] Miss Mikakka > its magic i know [00:09:54] snugglewooby > where is your honour internet templar? [00:10:02] snugglewooby > for honour! at the sun [00:10:06] snugglewooby > 1v1 [00:10:19] snugglewooby > I shall smite you with my blaster bellicose [00:10:20] Miss Mikakka > not gonna waste my buzzard on you mister! [00:10:25] Miss Mikakka > thats gonan ruin my kb stats [00:10:27] Miss Mikakka > ehehehehehehehe [00:10:39] snugglewooby > your e-peen truely is amazing [00:11:10] Miss Mikakka > i may or may not be serious about this [00:11:24] snugglewooby > you are gay too? [00:11:29] Miss Mikakka > nah [00:11:33] Miss Mikakka > im russian tho [00:11:35] Miss Mikakka > and german [00:11:37] Annihilatus > if all eve kills are synced [00:11:43] snugglewooby > no straights allowed in goonspace!!!!!!!!!! [00:11:43] Miss Mikakka > does tha mean anything? [00:11:52] Miss Mikakka > dammit [00:11:54] snugglewooby > fofofofofofofo [00:11:56] Annihilatus > then why do i have to post the kills form my allaince kb [00:11:56] Miss Mikakka > do i have to go to delve now [00:12:01] Annihilatus > to battleclinic? [00:12:08] Miss Mikakka > because battleclinic is not an eve-kill killboard [00:12:15] snugglewooby > you may dock in any of our freeports [00:12:18] snugglewooby > yes go to delve [00:12:36] Annihilatus > so eve-kill in general is just shit then [00:12:59] Miss Mikakka > nope, its just a different killboard [00:13:03] Miss Mikakka > http://evsco.net/?a=hosted [00:13:13] Miss Mikakka > you can see which kbs are synced [00:13:19] Miss Mikakka > (on the right) [00:13:34] snugglewooby > congratulations, you win the internet [00:13:35] snugglewooby > !!!!!! [00:13:48] Miss Mikakka > click on corporation [00:13:56] Miss Mikakka > then search for hatchery)# [00:14:05] snugglewooby > actually, if you are into eeleet peeveepee, you should join goonswarm [00:14:05] Miss Mikakka > youll see that it takes you to the teamliquid.killmail.org kb)I I think somewhere in the middle of it, when Gen Eve suddenly stopped replying, he finally got how kbs work and accepted that he was indeed retarded the whole time. | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
Only question is will all of the sig radius penalties make me easy prey for cov ops or should I be able to handle them? I was told to specifically avoid a few ships with the armor fit, will that be any different for shield fit or can it handle the same general targets? edit: AHHH!! I just realized that has no web, how am I going to kill fast frigates? That's the whole thing I wanted it for cause it seems a lot of people roam alone in frigates/cruisers. I was told the armor/brawler fit (which isn't what I was using, I was using a worse version of it) would be good for dealing with both of those by multiple people from TL. About the problems I didn't bring up, the bad tracking on lasers for brawling isn't really an issue when the target is webbed. IDK if I should just use a harb instead for what I wanna do with it like you said, although the align time on that is a lot worse than the nomen. | ||
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polluxtby
Sweden207 Posts
On November 28 2011 09:16 Warri wrote: + Show Spoiler + [23:46:30] Gen Eve > http://moa.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11710609 [23:46:39] Gen Eve > keep on erasing loses lol [23:46:50] Miss Mikakka > dude [23:46:50] Gen Eve > everone to see [23:46:53] Miss Mikakka > our killboard is eve-kill [23:46:59] Miss Mikakka > if anything only the eve-kill admins can erase kills [23:47:07] Miss Mikakka > please get real [23:47:11] Gen Eve > haha [23:47:19] Miss Mikakka > if you look closer [23:47:22] Miss Mikakka > that guy is not in hatchery [23:47:26] Miss Mikakka > so he doesnt appear on the hatcheryk illboard [23:47:28] Miss Mikakka > sounds logical? [23:47:41] Gen Eve > you must be brain dead [23:47:47] Gen Eve > it is TL KB [23:47:49] Gen Eve > he is TL [23:47:54] Gen Eve > he is not on los [23:48:05] Gen Eve > you separated corps with API pulls [23:48:13] Gen Eve > but you show alliance KB [23:48:15] Miss Mikakka > just because [23:48:19] Miss Mikakka > the url says teamliquid [23:48:22] Miss Mikakka > doesnt mean its a teamliquid killboard [23:48:27] Miss Mikakka > because the alliance got created am onth ag [23:48:29] Miss Mikakka > ago* [23:48:29] Gen Eve > but stats include TL [23:48:34] Miss Mikakka > whereas that killboard is a year old [23:48:38] Gen Eve > so stats are 100% fail and skewed [23:49:02] Miss Mikakka > so? [23:49:02] Gen Eve > http://teamliquid.killmail.org/?a=home [23:49:04] Miss Mikakka > yours are too [23:49:08] Miss Mikakka > you fly with goons [23:49:08] Gen Eve > HAHHAA [23:49:11] Miss Mikakka > and dont count their losses [23:49:12] Gen Eve > you admited [23:49:16] Miss Mikakka > i admitted [23:49:18] Miss Mikakka > that only hatchery stats [23:49:22] Miss Mikakka > are shown on the hatchery killboard [23:49:25] Miss Mikakka > not teamliquid stats [23:49:26] Miss Mikakka > )) [23:49:30] Gen Eve > on your KB our campaign is few months so is current [23:49:36] Gen Eve > so [23:49:38] Gen Eve > get more spies [23:49:39] Annihilatus > IF ITS NOT BATTLECLINIC ITS BULLSHIT [23:49:43] Annihilatus > how about that [23:49:44] Gen Eve > get on out TS for 5th time [23:49:48] Gen Eve > and maybe you do better [23:49:53] Miss Mikakka > better than we already do? [23:49:57] Miss Mikakka > thats pretty hard [23:50:00] Miss Mikakka > i dont get your point anyway [23:50:11] Annihilatus > battleclinic is hard shit [23:50:28] snugglewooby > wow guys [23:50:35] snugglewooby > that is some eeleet peeveepee [23:51:15] Miss Mikakka > you know what the best thing about eve-kill killboard is? [23:51:20] Miss Mikakka > they are synced [23:51:23] Gen Eve > you mad m8t [23:51:33] Miss Mikakka > http://teamliquid.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11710609 [23:51:39] Miss Mikakka > wanna know how idid that?)) [23:51:40] Miss Mikakka > u mad? [23:51:42] Gen Eve > if you have balls stay in TL and not hide in corps sping 24/7 [23:52:04] Miss Mikakka > what does this have to do with balls [23:52:05] Miss Mikakka > xD [23:52:27] Annihilatus > Name: Corp: Alliance: Date: Ship: Location: David ClausewitzThe Spawning PoolTeam Liquid2011-11-27 20:4 [23:52:33] Annihilatus > didnt you say he wasent in team liquid [23:52:49] Miss Mikakka > i said [23:52:53] Miss Mikakka > he is not in hatchery [23:52:58] Miss Mikakka > what the fuck is wrong with you people [23:52:59] Miss Mikakka > are you retarded [23:53:09] Annihilatus > im pretty sure he was calling out your allaince [23:53:19] Miss Mikakka > he was calling out [23:53:23] Miss Mikakka > us erasing kills [23:53:35] Gen Eve > you are [23:53:36] Miss Mikakka > which 1) we cant because none of us is an eve-kill admin [23:53:45] Miss Mikakka > 2) our killboard is a hatcheryk illboard despite the url being teamliquid [23:53:47] Gen Eve > i showed you in local what you do [23:53:54] snugglewooby > wow all this e-peen smells like shit [23:53:59] Miss Mikakka > you showed me in local that you are retarded [23:53:59] Annihilatus > well, you can remove them from your own killboard [23:54:04] Miss Mikakka > and do not understand how killboard works [23:54:16] Gen Eve > i can take industry corps from MOA KB and make new API pulls so their losses dont show [23:54:18] Annihilatus > whoever created your killboard is its admin [23:54:26] Gen Eve > but I dont do it since is not proper [23:54:29] Miss Mikakka > no anni [23:54:32] Miss Mikakka > wee dont host the killboard [23:54:36] Miss Mikakka > we pay eve-kill for it [23:54:37] Annihilatus > ohk [23:54:48] Miss Mikakka > all we can do is [23:54:55] Miss Mikakka > define what shows up on it and what does not [23:54:57] snugglewooby > talk in local? [23:54:59] Annihilatus > im still gunna stick with my motto of, battleclinics legit, the rest really arent [23:55:02] Miss Mikakka > and it currently only shows the hatchery losses [23:55:20] Gen Eve > you really must the this dumb not understading what is going on and how your TL board is manipulated [23:55:27] Miss Mikakka > and by what shows up i mean on the frontpage [23:55:31] Miss Mikakka > because as i siad [23:55:34] snugglewooby > I'm gay AND stupid [23:55:37] Miss Mikakka > all eve-kill kbs are synced [23:55:44] Miss Mikakka > so you can search someone on every kb and get their stats [23:55:54] Miss Mikakka > http://teamliquid.killmail.org/?a=alliance_detail&all_id=4059 [23:55:56] ROSACHG > pero vosotros neutrales sois gilipollas o que? [23:55:57] Miss Mikakka > just like that)) [23:56:37] Gen Eve > that is useless [23:56:40] Gen Eve > 100% [23:56:46] Miss Mikakka > how so [23:56:46] Gen Eve > is make believe [23:56:51] Gen Eve > i explained you [23:56:55] Miss Mikakka > no you didnt [23:56:57] Miss Mikakka > try again [23:57:09] Gen Eve > http://teamliquid.killmail.org/?a=home [23:57:13] Gen Eve > see front page [23:57:20] Miss Mikakka > on front page [23:57:23] Miss Mikakka > only the hatchery losses appear [23:57:32] Gen Eve > ok [23:57:35] Miss Mikakka > because its a "the hatchery" kill board [23:57:39] Gen Eve > but you liked stats for TL [23:57:42] Miss Mikakka > hsoted by eve-kill [23:57:43] Miss Mikakka > yes [23:57:52] Gen Eve > so is skewed [23:57:57] Miss Mikakka > do you know http://eve-kill.net/ this site [23:58:05] Miss Mikakka > look what i can do with it [23:58:16] Annihilatus > well, gens right [23:58:16] Miss Mikakka > http://eve-kill.net/?a=alliance_detail&all_id=4059 [23:58:17] Miss Mikakka > MAGIC [23:58:30] Annihilatus > or your kd is messed up [23:58:35] Annihilatus > why is it a TL page [23:58:41] Annihilatus > and just hatchery kb? [23:58:46] Miss Mikakka > http://teamliquid.killmail.org/?a=alliance_detail&all_id=310 [23:58:47] Miss Mikakka > even more magic [23:58:48] Miss Mikakka > xD [23:58:50] Miss Mikakka > because the alliance [23:58:52] Annihilatus > shouldent the hatchery have its own kb [23:58:52] Miss Mikakka > was created a month ago [23:58:59] Miss Mikakka > just for fun [23:59:01] Miss Mikakka > and giggles [23:59:04] Annihilatus > thats a pretty bad answer man [23:59:09] Miss Mikakka > to confuse guys like you)) [23:59:13] Miss Mikakka > well no it isnt [23:59:16] Miss Mikakka > because you can olook it up ingame [23:59:18] Annihilatus > i just use bclinic [23:59:20] Miss Mikakka > when the alliance was created [23:59:27] Annihilatus > that doesent answer my question [23:59:30] Annihilatus > thats why its a bad answer [23:59:50] Annihilatus > what im wondering is why, on the TEAM LIQUID KILLBOARDS, there is only hatchery [00:00:03] Annihilatus > so, team liquid does not have an official KB? [00:00:12] Annihilatus > because you made the allaince 3 months ago doesent answer shit [00:00:19] Miss Mikakka > it doesnt, you can look up tl stats when you search for it on ANY eve-kill kb [00:00:36] Gen Eve > he is not getting it [00:00:36] Annihilatus > ok, so this is hatcherys page [00:00:42] Annihilatus > and team liquid doesent have a kb of thier own [00:00:47] Miss Mikakka > that is correct [00:00:53] Miss Mikakka > spawning pool has their own killboard tho [00:00:59] snugglewooby > E PEEN! [00:00:59] Gen Eve > you cannot make campaign EARLIER then alliance existed [00:01:00] Annihilatus > then rename your urls [00:01:09] Miss Mikakka > the campagin is [00:01:10] Miss Mikakka > corp wide [00:01:10] Annihilatus > and tell your webmasters to fail less [00:01:14] Gen Eve > so KB was made 1ST then campaing and stats [00:01:22] Gen Eve > Kwark chose to play with stats [00:01:26] Annihilatus > im with gen on this one, stop bullshittting [00:01:31] Miss Mikakka > kb was made a year ago [00:01:39] Miss Mikakka > am i getting trolled [00:01:42] Miss Mikakka > or are you just that stupid [00:01:44] Miss Mikakka > i seriously cant tell [00:01:48] Miss Mikakka > any goons can help me with this? :S [00:01:56] Zhang Shujuan > it's my fault, i made the kb [00:01:59] snugglewooby > fofofofofofofofofofo [00:02:02] snugglewooby > fofofofofofofofo [00:02:04] snugglewooby > fofofofofofofofofo [00:02:07] snugglewooby > foofofofofofofo [00:02:09] snugglewooby > fofofofofofofo [00:02:11] snugglewooby > fofofofofofofo [00:02:11] Gen Eve > exactly [00:02:35] Miss Mikakka > and now eve-kill is down [00:02:39] Miss Mikakka > both moa and hatchery kb dead [00:02:40] Miss Mikakka > [00:02:53] Miss Mikakka > if you didnt notice yet [00:02:57] Miss Mikakka > your kb is also hosted by eve-kill [00:02:58] Miss Mikakka > ) [00:03:45] Annihilatus > http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=alliance&name=Team Liquid&page=2#losses [00:03:51] Annihilatus > wheres the tengu that died yesterday eh? [00:04:13] Miss Mikakka > we deleted it from battleclinic [00:04:19] Miss Mikakka > because we have the power to do that [00:04:21] Miss Mikakka > lolllllll [00:04:25] Undertovv > lol [00:04:29] snugglewooby > fofofofofofofofofofo [00:04:50] Annihilatus > and you say you dont bullshit your killboards, shut up man [00:04:53] Miss Mikakka > <url=showinfo:1375//90381226>capiru jonez</url> [00:04:55] Miss Mikakka > if you look closer [00:04:59] Miss Mikakka > hes not even in hatchery [00:05:03] Miss Mikakka > nto been for 6 month [00:05:19] Miss Mikakka > and that has nothing to do with the killboard [00:05:29] Miss Mikakka > you know you can include that in your campaign [00:05:33] Miss Mikakka > and ocunt it as a TL loss [00:05:39] Miss Mikakka > then we include goons and fa and tnt and whatnot [00:05:44] Miss Mikakka > and count it as MoA loss [00:05:51] Miss Mikakka > lets see who gets the better from it)) [00:06:37] Annihilatus > eh [00:06:41] snugglewooby > where is your e-honour? [00:06:50] Miss Mikakka > fucking eve-kill getting le 500 now [00:06:51] Annihilatus > im done with this, your e-peen is clearly unmatched [00:07:03] snugglewooby > honour duel at the sun [00:07:07] Miss Mikakka > this has nothing to do with e-peen or kb stats or anything [00:07:08] snugglewooby > for honour [00:07:10] Miss Mikakka > its just how killboards work [00:07:10] Miss Mikakka > ) [00:07:24] snugglewooby > prove your e-peen at the sun noble space samurai [00:07:26] Annihilatus > killboards that arent battleclinic are bullshit [00:07:37] Annihilatus > yeah, go 1v1 him [00:07:40] snugglewooby > your e-honour compells you [00:07:57] Miss Mikakka > so you agree [00:08:02] Miss Mikakka > that moa.killmail.org [00:08:03] Miss Mikakka > is bullshit [00:08:11] Miss Mikakka > sry i mean [00:08:15] Miss Mikakka > http://moa.eve-kill.net that one [00:08:28] snugglewooby > sire, your honour has been cahlleneged [00:08:34] snugglewooby > you must accept [00:08:37] Annihilatus > i agree that anything thats not battleclinic is bullshit [00:08:37] Miss Mikakka > sir im a covops [00:08:42] Miss Mikakka > i dont have any offensive modules on my ship [00:08:47] snugglewooby > you are compelled by your superior space bushido [00:08:48] Miss Mikakka > i could pummel you with probes [00:08:57] snugglewooby > that sounds fun [00:08:57] Annihilatus > peoplke odnt post their own losses, and KB passwords means sometimes people cant post your loss [00:09:13] Miss Mikakka > people dont ned to post losses [00:09:16] Miss Mikakka > as i said previously [00:09:20] Miss Mikakka > all eve-kill kbs are synced [00:09:28] Miss Mikakka > if you upload a kill on the moa kb where you kileld a hatchery [00:09:34] Miss Mikakka > it will appear on our kb as a loss [00:09:36] Miss Mikakka > automatically [00:09:44] Miss Mikakka > thats how all eve-kill kbs work [00:09:49] Miss Mikakka > its magic i know [00:09:54] snugglewooby > where is your honour internet templar? [00:10:02] snugglewooby > for honour! at the sun [00:10:06] snugglewooby > 1v1 [00:10:19] snugglewooby > I shall smite you with my blaster bellicose [00:10:20] Miss Mikakka > not gonna waste my buzzard on you mister! [00:10:25] Miss Mikakka > thats gonan ruin my kb stats [00:10:27] Miss Mikakka > ehehehehehehehe [00:10:39] snugglewooby > your e-peen truely is amazing [00:11:10] Miss Mikakka > i may or may not be serious about this [00:11:24] snugglewooby > you are gay too? [00:11:29] Miss Mikakka > nah [00:11:33] Miss Mikakka > im russian tho [00:11:35] Miss Mikakka > and german [00:11:37] Annihilatus > if all eve kills are synced [00:11:43] snugglewooby > no straights allowed in goonspace!!!!!!!!!! [00:11:43] Miss Mikakka > does tha mean anything? [00:11:52] Miss Mikakka > dammit [00:11:54] snugglewooby > fofofofofofofo [00:11:56] Annihilatus > then why do i have to post the kills form my allaince kb [00:11:56] Miss Mikakka > do i have to go to delve now [00:12:01] Annihilatus > to battleclinic? [00:12:08] Miss Mikakka > because battleclinic is not an eve-kill killboard [00:12:15] snugglewooby > you may dock in any of our freeports [00:12:18] snugglewooby > yes go to delve [00:12:36] Annihilatus > so eve-kill in general is just shit then [00:12:59] Miss Mikakka > nope, its just a different killboard [00:13:03] Miss Mikakka > http://evsco.net/?a=hosted [00:13:13] Miss Mikakka > you can see which kbs are synced [00:13:19] Miss Mikakka > (on the right) [00:13:34] snugglewooby > congratulations, you win the internet [00:13:35] snugglewooby > !!!!!! [00:13:48] Miss Mikakka > click on corporation [00:13:56] Miss Mikakka > then search for hatchery)# [00:14:05] snugglewooby > actually, if you are into eeleet peeveepee, you should join goonswarm [00:14:05] Miss Mikakka > youll see that it takes you to the teamliquid.killmail.org kb)I I think somewhere in the middle of it, when Gen Eve suddenly stopped replying, he finally got how kbs work and accepted that he was indeed retarded the whole time. I was literally banging my head against my table while reading this. God I am glad that I've stoped trying to tell people that they are wrong and that they should see the light. But well done Warri, doing your part of educating the universe, something that would improve the world if more did. I just don't have the patience | ||
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Warri
Germany3208 Posts
On November 28 2011 09:33 GGTeMpLaR wrote: That was way above and beyond my expectations, very helpful write-up and bookmarking both of those fits, very much appreciated. I'll try the PDF fit next time. Only question is will all of the sig radius penalties make me easy prey for cov ops or should I be able to handle them? I was told to specifically avoid a few ships with the armor fit, will that be any different for shield fit or can it handle the same general targets? edit: AHHH!! I just realized that has no web, how am I going to kill fast frigates? That's the whole thing I wanted it for cause it seems a lot of people roam alone in frigates/cruisers. I was told the armor/brawler fit (which isn't what I was using, I was using a worse version of it) would be good for dealing with both of those. You fly at fullspeed and make them chase you to reduce their transversal and hit it. If you get scrammed... well its not a good ship for the job. If you specifically want to kill frigates get a destroyer (after patch :D) or a celestis or a sfi or a caracal etc. | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
This is basically what I was told would be a good fit and mine was just a bad version of it without neut, bad rig, and lack of my EAN II's: http://teamliquid.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=10134149 I don't really see how it would be bad for the reasons you mentioned (assuming you add another trimark), the tracking doesn't apply because of the webs, it's got a MWD, and it's still gonna be faster//more agile than a harbinger for solo work. I'm just looking for a decent solo amarr ship I can pvp in and kill stuff with (while avoiding blobs/gatecamps). Nomen's gonna have a much better shot at getting out of camps than a harb will. Also, offtopic, for some reason it's pricing the nomen at 95 mill on killmail yet they sell for 54 in Amarr. I have no clue how the killmail pricing works. | ||
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Viceorvirtue
United States273 Posts
If you are ever scram/webbed as a solo pilot you either kill the person tackling you and get out before his gang lands or you die. A shield harb is even perferred to an armor harb for nullsec solo because you will be able to kite and wont be comitted to the fight once engaging. If they drop a gang on you, you can usually just burn away and leave. An armor tanked ship doesnt give you that option (outside of fringe cases such as the 100mn ham legion). | ||
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Body_Shield
Canada3368 Posts
But Jesus fuck I figured that shit out just by looking at the killmails and killboards even before I started this game. They can't be that retarded, they have to be trolling you.... + Show Spoiler + This is an example of what the Hatchery does when we hang out in EC- ![[image loading]](http://i692.photobucket.com/albums/vv286/Body_Shield/ejt1dy.gif) I can relate a lot of things in eve to my gifs, I shall do more of them (Smoke in the gif is Kwark warping to 0 accidentally) | ||
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pahndah
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Russian Federation3631 Posts
On November 28 2011 09:49 GGTeMpLaR wrote: I'm amarr and amarr destroyer got shit on with only one medium slot u_u This is basically what I was told would be a good fit and mine was just a bad version of it without neut, bad rig, and lack of my EAN II's: http://teamliquid.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=10134149 I don't really see how it would be bad for the reasons you mentioned (assuming you add another trimark), the tracking doesn't apply because of the webs, it's got a MWD, and it's still gonna be faster//more agile than a harbinger for solo work. I'm just looking for a decent solo amarr ship I can pvp in and kill stuff with (while avoiding blobs/gatecamps). Nomen's gonna have a much better shot at getting out of camps than a harb will. Also, offtopic, for some reason it's pricing the nomen at 95 mill on killmail yet they sell for 54 in Amarr. I have no clue how the killmail pricing works. I hope this doesn't sound rude, but if you think that an AB instead of MWD is a trivial modification, then you probably lack the gamesense to be flying faction / t2 hulls. Same thing with the neut. Given the engagement range of the fit, the neutralizer is extremely important. As far as constructive advice: forget about the Navy Omen. Most of the things you could hope to accomplish with the Navy variation can be done with the t1 (there's also the :lol omen: factor, which will cause you to get more fights). Take a look at the following: http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&view=kills&plt_id=341971&m=12&y=2010 You will see that this guy basically murders the entire lineup of t1/t2 frigates (comet, wolf, jag, slicer, hookbill, dram, smattering of inties, with a bonus pilgrim kill, also a dual rep brutix) in a solo honor tanked Omen. Of course, the fit is very unforgiving (get scrammed early and die in a fire) -- however, you will certainly improve much faster as a pilot than if you used approach-f1 fits (take this from a HAMdrake pilot of 1.5 years who had to essentially learn the basics of manual piloting~). There's a reason 9POOL in general doesn't use brawling fits -- they simply cannot abuse the differential in piloting skill between a non-retarded Hatch pilot and your average CFC member. The same applies to soloing -- you really can't do well unless you have both the piloting skill advantage and a ship/fit that allows you to exploit that. | ||
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Valashu
Netherlands561 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/r1qLU.gif) Some people are really bad at EVE With Shields gifs around, I have to maintain balance. | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
On November 28 2011 11:36 419 wrote: I hope this doesn't sound rude, but if you think that an AB instead of MWD is a trivial modification, then you probably lack the gamesense to be flying faction / t2 hulls. Same thing with the neut. Given the engagement range of the fit, the neutralizer is extremely important. As far as constructive advice: forget about the Navy Omen. Most of the things you could hope to accomplish with the Navy variation can be done with the t1 (there's also the :lol omen: factor, which will cause you to get more fights). Take a look at the following: http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&view=kills&plt_id=341971&m=12&y=2010 You will see that this guy basically murders the entire lineup of t1/t2 frigates (comet, wolf, jag, slicer, hookbill, dram, smattering of inties, with a bonus pilgrim kill, also a dual rep brutix) in a solo honor tanked Omen. Of course, the fit is very unforgiving (get scrammed early and die in a fire) -- however, you will certainly improve much faster as a pilot than if you used approach-f1 fits (take this from a HAMdrake pilot of 1.5 years who had to essentially learn the basics of manual piloting~). There's a reason 9POOL in general doesn't use brawling fits -- they simply cannot abuse the differential in piloting skill between a non-retarded Hatch pilot and your average CFC member. The same applies to soloing -- you really can't do well unless you have both the piloting skill advantage and a ship/fit that allows you to exploit that. I think you misread what I was saying. I was noting that his fit actually had a MWD so the AB-MWD concern about my bad fit doesn't apply because it's done correctly in his fit. Same thing with the neut over my bad fit that didn't have it. Wasn't trying to write-off the MWD/AB concern as unimportant in itself, just that it didn't apply to his good armor-fit which had a MWD already so adding one ceased to be a problem. I might try that Omen fit too though cause it looks like it does exactly what I want to mess around with right now for some solo experience (although no web) and get some practice with it before I go out in a Nomen again, idk. It doesn't look like it will fare very well against cruisers though u_u and I kinda wanna engage those too. It was killed by an ishkur and an executioner though. I think I'll try a Slicer though if I really wanna get some manual pilot practice (it just feels like a crime to fly a slicer though with amarr frig IV instead of V). I don't even really mind losing ships, I'd prefer not to but it's not the end of the world. I kinda wanna try that armor fit linked above though that has the MWD and neut, unless it's like really bad but I can't see how it would be. | ||
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Russian Federation3631 Posts
It doesn't look like it will fare very well against cruisers though You dictate range vs cruisers with that fit, you can disengage whenever it looks like a fight is going downhill. And yes, it will die to a sader or ishkur if they land a scram very early in the fight. You can't afford to get caught. Its not a forgiving fit by any means. I mean sure, you can go the easy route with an AML caracal, and roast morons that f1 approach you, but what do you learn doing that? FWIW, you should also have thermo trained if you're going to use that omen fit. | ||
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Tarias
Netherlands480 Posts
First thing in the morning, I logged in onto my 3e account, set a course for a system deep in Amarr space, and I read some guides and other stuff on highsec exploring. When I got there my skills had finished training and I started probing my first systems. It took me a while to get the hang of it, but after about an hour of probing I managed to find a Radar site. It had 3 hackable shards and no enemies whatsoever. I hacked the shards, and pulled about 30m worth of loot from them. A pretty good start. So then Chessur logged on, and decided he wanted to go for a small roam. We went out with a drake and 2 Rifters, Chessur being the drake pilot. The EC- gate in G-M had a huge blob on it, there seemed to be 2 gangs fighting eachother. The other rifter and I observed a bit from about 300km away. At some point the other rifter pilot told me there was a stilletto burning towards me, so I check my grid, and it told me he was about 150km away. I decided to align sun and warp away asap. I was too late however, from what according to my grid was over 100km the stiletto locked me up and scrammed me. I'm not really sure what was going on there, maybe it was lag, maybe my grid messed up, but andyways, my rifter went down pretty quickly to the sabre, that warped on top of me as soon as I was pointed. The sabre immediately dropped a bubble and locked up my pod, I died. Luckily I only lost some +1 implants and my Cereberal Accelerator. So I quickly made a petition to get my Accalerator, and went to Jita to buy some +3s. After I died, the PvP action kinda died down, so I logged onto my 2e account. My salvager. It was still stationed in our old missioning system, but most of the missioners had already moved to a new place, I decided I would do the same today. I loaded a shuttle into my noctis, turned on the autopilot, then went back to my 3e account and did some more probing. It took me a long time to find another radar site, I completely scanned about 8 systems before I found the next one, but it gave me about 20m worth of loot. While I was scanning these systems my noctis arrived in the new place. I got in the shuttle and flew back to old missioning hub to get my Thrasher, it got to new hub alot faster then my Noctis  When I got my Thrasher and Noctis transported, there was alot of missioning and salvaging going on, so I decided to join in on that, and left my prober to sit in Amarr space for the rest of the day. The 50m I made completely payed for the Sisters Core Probe Launcher and the other stuff I bought. In Hakeri I got in line for the Salvage. There were 2 people missioning and 4 people salvaging at that time. I did 2 or 3 missions when the 3 other salvagers called it a night. There were still 2 badasses doing missions though, so my noctis finally got to do some real work. Unforunately Witch decided it was too much fun for me alone, so he came and grabbed some salvage as well. While I'm writing all this down I'm salvaging my last mission for today. Estimated total value of todays salvage: About 150m. So all in all I made about 200m, and lost a Rifter in PvP today, a pretty good day Big shoutouts to Valenius, Lee and Mandini for actually providing wrecks to salvage, and big shoutout to Narwz for helping me get my probing skills down. ^_^ps. To all the other newbies out there, if you don't have more then 1 account yet, get more then 1 account. | ||
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