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Ueberlisk
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland455 Posts
July 25 2011 11:28 GMT
#14201
On July 25 2011 20:27 Johnny Business wrote:
Borrowed some isk from Kwark to try trading. So far I have made 134m on my first contract


is johnny "the curse" business back?!1
I got honor. - Johnny Business
Johnny Business
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1251 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-25 11:34:00
July 25 2011 11:33 GMT
#14202
Ya but I am doing contracting right now. No curses for me.
Serious Business
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34504 Posts
July 25 2011 11:39 GMT
#14203
what you thought he meant the ship?
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Johnny Business
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1251 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-25 11:49:15
July 25 2011 11:40 GMT
#14204
hahaha

In other news, the chat channel Diamond Lottery was not taken!
Serious Business
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34504 Posts
July 25 2011 12:23 GMT
#14205
As in no one bought tickets, or no one won?
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Johnny Business
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1251 Posts
July 25 2011 14:10 GMT
#14206
You have much to learn, there are NO winners!
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TurpinOS
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada1223 Posts
July 25 2011 14:51 GMT
#14207
On July 25 2011 23:10 Johnny Business wrote:
You have much to learn, there are NO winners!


im pretty sure I ''won'' your lotteries multiple times

also Aeth you really are a dick
http://eve.znaor.hr/pimpmydomi/
Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
July 25 2011 14:57 GMT
#14208
i once won a nightmare in one of johnny's lotteries, no joke
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Body_Shield
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada3368 Posts
July 25 2011 15:13 GMT
#14209
On July 25 2011 23:57 Antoine wrote:
i once won a nightmare in one of johnny's lotteries, no joke

Are we giving out Nightmares now
So, five-card stud, nothing wild... and the sky's the limit
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44190 Posts
July 25 2011 15:41 GMT
#14210
On July 25 2011 20:19 tmonet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2011 19:52 Catch]22 wrote:
As a noob, what I take away from the previous poster is: Stay the hell away from other players :S What about ships then, why are you saying Gallente ships are so bad? And so far I'hve only used Amarr ships, sounded simple to just manage cap and blast lazors, rather than droning, using ammo and whatnot, how much more complex are the others? And my academy only dictates my starting zone? Nothing more? I'm also curious as to what dictates the x-factor on training skills, why are some skills 3x and some 2x? Is it just specific or does it depend on my character in some way?

Also, where are you guys located? Will I die just travelling there? I'hve never entered space lower than 0.7 atm, I'm newbiequesting in Deepari (Domain) right now.
My m8 tells me that its convention to not attack anyone in 0.5 or higher, but why was your guy above me in such perils? Am I in such perils? What does the 0.X really mean?

(I'm an engineer with an obsessive case of knowing everything if you wonder why I'm so neurotic about all these things)


gallente ships aren't bad. Gallente ships are worse than other ships in situations in which hatchery fc's enjoy flying in. With the exception of eaf's, each race / class of ship has a niche in which it excels beyond the other four. People in corp prefer drakes / minnie ships because drakes excel at being the best ship in the game at everything while minnie ships are fast and deal a lot of damage while being able to dps from outside scram range if necessary. Should you ever find yourself in a situation where you know you will never need to run or take damage and your target is big and slow and at 0km, a blasterfit gallente ship would be your best choice to deal damage unless you can fly typhoons or drakes. This doesn't really happen outside of station camping or i guess warping in on a mission runner or something, though, so you prob. shud just join the drake army.

Managing ammo is simpler than managing cap in every way. Drones are not difficult unless you're literally retarded.

Skills are balanced around the training multiplier. The 'harder' a skill is to learn, the higher the multiplier is. Easy skills that all characters need access to are like 1-2x at most, while more specialized skills (like titans and t2 ships and stuff) are really high. The rate at which your character gains skillpoints depends on attributes and implants and the primary / secondary attributes of the skill you're training, but what number of skillpoints the skill takes to max (the 1x / 2x / 20x or w/e) does not change.

If you plan a sensible route, you can get about anywhere in eve without dying. iirc if you go hisec to rens (sp?) you'd be pretty close to the hatchery's stomping grounds, but talk to someone first if this will take you a while. From there, yes, if you go into losec, you will get fucked up by someone if you don't know what your'e doing. This is something you need to make peace with. Fly a cheap ship.

Don't attack people in .5 and above. Don't attack people in .4 and below unless either:
a) your fc tells you to
b) you know what you're doing
c) they're in something way more expensive than what you're flying
d) they're not on a station or gate and you can afford to lose what you're flying and you think you can kill them and there's nothing too scary on d-scan

also if you go through that checklist and you SEE someone on grid in .4 or below, gtfo unless you're on a station or gate, and in either case, be ready to dock / warp / jump.

System security is a measure of the approximate saftey of space. There are three categories of space: nullsec, which has bubbles, no gate / station guns, and no sec loss; losec, which has gate + station guns but no concord, and you lose a small amount of sec for starting fights; and hisec, which has concord which will kill you if you start a fight. Hisec is >= .5, losec is >= 0.1. The actual number determines how good of rats / missions you get, the lower the better. Nullsec actually has (had? they might have changed this) a 'true' sec rating below 0 which determined the quality of rats that spawned, following the same rules (lower the better)

you should probably just chill, worry less, and die more. eve is a video game. Mistakes are okay.

The Gallente lineup is certainly much weaker than it's counterparts. Their frigates and cruisers are alright if you want that kind of thing but most people move on to bigger ships. The brutix is a waste of time, paper thin if gank fit (a single drake can drop it in 30 seconds) and unable to get into combat while still being pretty thin if armour tanked. Bait myrm can be awesome but everyone knows it and it's so slow that they can longpoint it and gtfo if local spikes. Shield myrm is simply a bad autocane. Autocanes are amazing so that's not terrible but if you can fit a decent automyrm you're 6 hours from an autocane. Gallente links are bad and their command ships worse. Their recons are awesome in theory, unusably bad in practice. They are insanely cap unstable to the extent that they almost cannot move. You're forced to shield tank the lachesis which has a devastating resist hole and even invulns make it cap unstable. The damps can be amazing but they never get used because it doesn't have the cap to actually use them. The arazu has speed issues (a load of ships can mwd away from it, especially if it's armoured), cap issues (if it has to mwd after them it caps out in 30 seconds), tank issues (lol, good luck). The Gallente recons are a story of being amazing in EFT and impossible on the field. The Proteus is a good ship, it should be used in place of the lachesis/arazu in most situations as a pointing recon. Their hacs are terrible. The deimos will get instantly dropped in a fleet fight and the ishtar, while it makes decent heavy tackle, is somewhat limited by its lowslots and drone bonuses. Their battleships can't hit anything for shit and can't tackle for shit. They're slow and have trouble tackling anything, good only with an escort. Drones have limited use in lowsec. You're pretty much committed to training hybrids which are the single least practical weapons platform in eve with the least crossover to other races which will hold you back when you do decide to crosstrain.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
ShoreT
Profile Joined August 2008
United States489 Posts
July 25 2011 15:58 GMT
#14211
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 26 2011 00:41 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2011 20:19 tmonet wrote:
On July 25 2011 19:52 Catch]22 wrote:
As a noob, what I take away from the previous poster is: Stay the hell away from other players :S What about ships then, why are you saying Gallente ships are so bad? And so far I'hve only used Amarr ships, sounded simple to just manage cap and blast lazors, rather than droning, using ammo and whatnot, how much more complex are the others? And my academy only dictates my starting zone? Nothing more? I'm also curious as to what dictates the x-factor on training skills, why are some skills 3x and some 2x? Is it just specific or does it depend on my character in some way?

Also, where are you guys located? Will I die just travelling there? I'hve never entered space lower than 0.7 atm, I'm newbiequesting in Deepari (Domain) right now.
My m8 tells me that its convention to not attack anyone in 0.5 or higher, but why was your guy above me in such perils? Am I in such perils? What does the 0.X really mean?

(I'm an engineer with an obsessive case of knowing everything if you wonder why I'm so neurotic about all these things)


gallente ships aren't bad. Gallente ships are worse than other ships in situations in which hatchery fc's enjoy flying in. With the exception of eaf's, each race / class of ship has a niche in which it excels beyond the other four. People in corp prefer drakes / minnie ships because drakes excel at being the best ship in the game at everything while minnie ships are fast and deal a lot of damage while being able to dps from outside scram range if necessary. Should you ever find yourself in a situation where you know you will never need to run or take damage and your target is big and slow and at 0km, a blasterfit gallente ship would be your best choice to deal damage unless you can fly typhoons or drakes. This doesn't really happen outside of station camping or i guess warping in on a mission runner or something, though, so you prob. shud just join the drake army.

Managing ammo is simpler than managing cap in every way. Drones are not difficult unless you're literally retarded.

Skills are balanced around the training multiplier. The 'harder' a skill is to learn, the higher the multiplier is. Easy skills that all characters need access to are like 1-2x at most, while more specialized skills (like titans and t2 ships and stuff) are really high. The rate at which your character gains skillpoints depends on attributes and implants and the primary / secondary attributes of the skill you're training, but what number of skillpoints the skill takes to max (the 1x / 2x / 20x or w/e) does not change.

If you plan a sensible route, you can get about anywhere in eve without dying. iirc if you go hisec to rens (sp?) you'd be pretty close to the hatchery's stomping grounds, but talk to someone first if this will take you a while. From there, yes, if you go into losec, you will get fucked up by someone if you don't know what your'e doing. This is something you need to make peace with. Fly a cheap ship.

Don't attack people in .5 and above. Don't attack people in .4 and below unless either:
a) your fc tells you to
b) you know what you're doing
c) they're in something way more expensive than what you're flying
d) they're not on a station or gate and you can afford to lose what you're flying and you think you can kill them and there's nothing too scary on d-scan

also if you go through that checklist and you SEE someone on grid in .4 or below, gtfo unless you're on a station or gate, and in either case, be ready to dock / warp / jump.

System security is a measure of the approximate saftey of space. There are three categories of space: nullsec, which has bubbles, no gate / station guns, and no sec loss; losec, which has gate + station guns but no concord, and you lose a small amount of sec for starting fights; and hisec, which has concord which will kill you if you start a fight. Hisec is >= .5, losec is >= 0.1. The actual number determines how good of rats / missions you get, the lower the better. Nullsec actually has (had? they might have changed this) a 'true' sec rating below 0 which determined the quality of rats that spawned, following the same rules (lower the better)

you should probably just chill, worry less, and die more. eve is a video game. Mistakes are okay.

The Gallente lineup is certainly much weaker than it's counterparts. Their frigates and cruisers are alright if you want that kind of thing but most people move on to bigger ships. The brutix is a waste of time, paper thin if gank fit (a single drake can drop it in 30 seconds) and unable to get into combat while still being pretty thin if armour tanked. Bait myrm can be awesome but everyone knows it and it's so slow that they can longpoint it and gtfo if local spikes. Shield myrm is simply a bad autocane. Autocanes are amazing so that's not terrible but if you can fit a decent automyrm you're 6 hours from an autocane. Gallente links are bad and their command ships worse. Their recons are awesome in theory, unusably bad in practice. They are insanely cap unstable to the extent that they almost cannot move. You're forced to shield tank the lachesis which has a devastating resist hole and even invulns make it cap unstable. The damps can be amazing but they never get used because it doesn't have the cap to actually use them. The arazu has speed issues (a load of ships can mwd away from it, especially if it's armoured), cap issues (if it has to mwd after them it caps out in 30 seconds), tank issues (lol, good luck). The Gallente recons are a story of being amazing in EFT and impossible on the field. The Proteus is a good ship, it should be used in place of the lachesis/arazu in most situations as a pointing recon. Their hacs are terrible. The deimos will get instantly dropped in a fleet fight and the ishtar, while it makes decent heavy tackle, is somewhat limited by its lowslots and drone bonuses. Their battleships can't hit anything for shit and can't tackle for shit. They're slow and have trouble tackling anything, good only with an escort. Drones have limited use in lowsec. You're pretty much committed to training hybrids which are the single least practical weapons platform in eve with the least crossover to other races which will hold you back when you do decide to crosstrain.



The TL;DR of what kwark said is:

1.) Gallente Frigs such as the 'ranis, DD and Comet are okay. The Ishkur and Enyo also both have uses.

2.) Their T1 Cruisers are okay, but they are still T1 cruisers.

3.) Their BCs are pretty bad. Myrms look good on paper but obvious bait is obvious.

4.) Their T2 Cruiser lineup is fairly weak. Probably the worst logi and some of the worst hacs. Their recons are mega useful is the right fleets but have lolnocap.

5.) Although it doesn't relate to Hatchery their Armor BS are okay. Although outclassed but Abaddons, Megas and Domis are okay. Navy Megas and Vindis are good in BS Fleets as well for Huge damage.

6.) Drones in lowsec. lulz.
Derp
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5464 Posts
July 25 2011 18:40 GMT
#14212
On July 25 2011 19:52 Catch]22 wrote:
As a noob, what I take away from the previous poster is: Stay the hell away from other players :S What about ships then, why are you saying Gallente ships are so bad? And so far I'hve only used Amarr ships, sounded simple to just manage cap and blast lazors, rather than droning, using ammo and whatnot, how much more complex are the others? And my academy only dictates my starting zone? Nothing more? I'm also curious as to what dictates the x-factor on training skills, why are some skills 3x and some 2x? Is it just specific or does it depend on my character in some way?

Also, where are you guys located? Will I die just travelling there? I'hve never entered space lower than 0.7 atm, I'm newbiequesting in Deepari (Domain) right now.
My m8 tells me that its convention to not attack anyone in 0.5 or higher, but why was your guy above me in such perils? Am I in such perils? What does the 0.X really mean?

(I'm an engineer with an obsessive case of knowing everything if you wonder why I'm so neurotic about all these things)
seeing as you seem utterly incapable of reading the opening post and following basic directions but instead rely on being spoonfed information in order to bear any resemblance to competence at a game, i'd say your chances of thriving in Hatchery seem quite low. best of luck to you regardless.
[formerly sponsored by the artist formerly known as Gene]
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44190 Posts
July 25 2011 18:45 GMT
#14213
CCP reimbursed me 5b and a RLD dropped 1.2b (of which I gave .4 to the prober). Good day.
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JJoNeEightY
Profile Joined December 2010
United States509 Posts
July 25 2011 20:03 GMT
#14214
On July 26 2011 03:40 redtooth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2011 19:52 Catch]22 wrote:
As a noob, what I take away from the previous poster is: Stay the hell away from other players :S What about ships then, why are you saying Gallente ships are so bad? And so far I'hve only used Amarr ships, sounded simple to just manage cap and blast lazors, rather than droning, using ammo and whatnot, how much more complex are the others? And my academy only dictates my starting zone? Nothing more? I'm also curious as to what dictates the x-factor on training skills, why are some skills 3x and some 2x? Is it just specific or does it depend on my character in some way?

Also, where are you guys located? Will I die just travelling there? I'hve never entered space lower than 0.7 atm, I'm newbiequesting in Deepari (Domain) right now.
My m8 tells me that its convention to not attack anyone in 0.5 or higher, but why was your guy above me in such perils? Am I in such perils? What does the 0.X really mean?

(I'm an engineer with an obsessive case of knowing everything if you wonder why I'm so neurotic about all these things)
seeing as you seem utterly incapable of reading the opening post and following basic directions but instead rely on being spoonfed information in order to bear any resemblance to competence at a game, i'd say your chances of thriving in Hatchery seem quite low. best of luck to you regardless.


Why do people feel the need to be so COLD!
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5464 Posts
July 25 2011 21:14 GMT
#14215
On July 26 2011 05:03 JJoNeEightY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2011 03:40 redtooth wrote:
On July 25 2011 19:52 Catch]22 wrote:
As a noob, what I take away from the previous poster is: Stay the hell away from other players :S What about ships then, why are you saying Gallente ships are so bad? And so far I'hve only used Amarr ships, sounded simple to just manage cap and blast lazors, rather than droning, using ammo and whatnot, how much more complex are the others? And my academy only dictates my starting zone? Nothing more? I'm also curious as to what dictates the x-factor on training skills, why are some skills 3x and some 2x? Is it just specific or does it depend on my character in some way?

Also, where are you guys located? Will I die just travelling there? I'hve never entered space lower than 0.7 atm, I'm newbiequesting in Deepari (Domain) right now.
My m8 tells me that its convention to not attack anyone in 0.5 or higher, but why was your guy above me in such perils? Am I in such perils? What does the 0.X really mean?

(I'm an engineer with an obsessive case of knowing everything if you wonder why I'm so neurotic about all these things)
seeing as you seem utterly incapable of reading the opening post and following basic directions but instead rely on being spoonfed information in order to bear any resemblance to competence at a game, i'd say your chances of thriving in Hatchery seem quite low. best of luck to you regardless.
Why do people feel the need to be so COLD!
nice guys finish last. seeing as hatch members thrive on their ability to figure out the game themselves, i think a rude awakening may be called for in this case.
[formerly sponsored by the artist formerly known as Gene]
Johnny Business
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1251 Posts
July 25 2011 22:01 GMT
#14216
There is no honor in Eve.
Serious Business
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34504 Posts
July 25 2011 22:05 GMT
#14217
Hey redtooth keep losing those canes yeaaaaah
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Pufftrees
Profile Joined March 2009
2449 Posts
July 25 2011 22:19 GMT
#14218
Contract pvp best pvp.

I hadn't struck anything too amazing today. I did find a hound for 1000isk and a raven for 9m probably the funniest, few random faction mods underpriced.

Then I found my biggest stacking error yet, 16x lol.

http://i.imgur.com/jjquU.jpg

All of these while playing Marvel online :D Just between matches or during a long hyper combo I will refresh. On another, note, motbob is already beasting the contract seen... he hasn't lost his touch at all.
Chance favors the prepared mind.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34504 Posts
July 25 2011 22:53 GMT
#14219
Why do you have a Slave set
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Pufftrees
Profile Joined March 2009
2449 Posts
July 25 2011 23:01 GMT
#14220
I have 3 slave sets actually >< (1 up on contract atm, 1 in container) Most of my stuff is in the containers up top, all that shit out in the open is just from this weekend (big bundle) + various. I just sell sets on contract, lots of people are too lazy to get them on market.
Chance favors the prepared mind.
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