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On July 30 2009 21:58 WiljushkA wrote:
what, you need to be decent at pvp in a pvp-oriented corp? how cruel
even more considering how low the player skill treshhold for pvp in eve is ._.
You missed the idea Vil.
Also, you'r wrong. At the moment, the TL corp is more of a wannabe pvp corp than an actual one. But let's talk about this on corp chat when you get back from your holiday.
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On July 31 2009 19:38 OnCoke wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2009 21:58 WiljushkA wrote:
what, you need to be decent at pvp in a pvp-oriented corp? how cruel
even more considering how low the player skill treshhold for pvp in eve is ._. You missed the idea Vil. Also, you'r wrong. At the moment, the TL corp is more of a wannabe pvp corp than an actual one. But let's talk about this on corp chat when you get back from your holiday.
All we do is pvp all day, how are we not a pvp corp? beacuse we can't fly all the sexy t2 ships yet? we all pretty much dislike pos combat (and none of us have cap ships anyways). So we roam all day long and do really well for having 1/10th the skill points of our average foes. Or do you mean wannabe in that yes we are in an alliance that has more experianced players? who cares, we pvp so we are a pvp corp.
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motbob
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On July 31 2009 19:38 OnCoke wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2009 21:58 WiljushkA wrote:
what, you need to be decent at pvp in a pvp-oriented corp? how cruel
even more considering how low the player skill treshhold for pvp in eve is ._. You missed the idea Vil. Also, you'r wrong. At the moment, the TL corp is more of a wannabe pvp corp than an actual one. But let's talk about this on corp chat when you get back from your holiday.
We're tied for the highest efficiency in GC... so... yeah.
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On July 31 2009 19:38 OnCoke wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2009 21:58 WiljushkA wrote:
what, you need to be decent at pvp in a pvp-oriented corp? how cruel
even more considering how low the player skill treshhold for pvp in eve is ._. You missed the idea Vil. Also, you'r wrong. At the moment, the TL corp is more of a wannabe pvp corp than an actual one. But let's talk about this on corp chat when you get back from your holiday.
Goons aren't an actual PvP corp either~
-edit- Those implants I mentioned. Well. I bought 10 Social adaptation standards in the Citadel for about 160 million. Jita sell was 22million. Good shit right? No, not good shit. When I get back to Jita I put them up for sale, then the market is fucking nuked to 14mil per chip -_-
Be wary traders.
On the plus side I renovated my buy order list completely and it's doing much better now 
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On July 31 2009 23:16 motbob wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2009 19:38 OnCoke wrote:On July 30 2009 21:58 WiljushkA wrote:
what, you need to be decent at pvp in a pvp-oriented corp? how cruel
even more considering how low the player skill treshhold for pvp in eve is ._. You missed the idea Vil. Also, you'r wrong. At the moment, the TL corp is more of a wannabe pvp corp than an actual one. But let's talk about this on corp chat when you get back from your holiday. We're tied for the highest efficiency in GC... so... yeah.
I can kind of understand where Coke is coming from when he says we are a wannabe PvP Corp. I certainly don't think we could compete in 0.0 with such a high effiency without being part of a strong alliance, but at the same time, Diplomacy is what EVE is all about. Frankly, had GS not had the help of the NC and most importantly PL they probably would not have won the Delve war.
And Vil, getting high effiency isn't hard when you fly T1 hulls (besides frigs, which are cheaper and whore more mails than your average BC). We have higher effiencies than other corps because:
1.) They fly T2 Hulls
2.) They aren't all Caldari Loving Drake Pilots
On another note, I'm almost caught up to Revo for most kills in corp this week and I'm on pace to pass him tonight if he doesn't get some kills today.
Edit: On another even more random note, GC killed Goonfleet CEO (or ex-CEO) Darius JOHNSON today.
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i said nothing about efficiency. and anyway, 96% is high no matter how you look at it, no matter the allies/ships. most of our corpies fly bc too, which is always a 30 mil loss on kb.
I certainly don't think we could compete in 0.0 with such a high effiency without being part of a strong alliance
true, and thats exactly why people form alliances, noone can stand in 0.0 on their own.
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Sorry, I fail at reading, it was Motbob and not you.
Another thing to remember is that all corp efficiencies are inflated. Our alliance efficiency is too because we fly with CoW and CC. For example:
We are on a roam with 10 guys, 5 different Corps all in the same alliance each with 2 guys, and for purpose of this example, everyone is flying a 100M isk hull. We get into a fight with a 10 man gang, also all flying 100M isk ships. Each corp loses one ship and the entire enemy gang is wiped out. Each corps killboard with record 1B in damages and 100M in loses, giving a 90.9% efficiency for each corp, which is rather good, however the alliance efficiency as a whole is only 66.7%.
The same principle can be applied when flying with other non-alliance blues. Thus, unless a Corp only flies with its own members, or an alliance only flies with its own members the efficiency numbers are inflated.
While GC's and SCBW's efficiency might be inflated, in reality it is still very high and generally we don't lose many ships on roams.
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meh, don't want to get in a big argument but stats can be very deceptive.
Just looking at your killboard, many if not most of your kills has 1 or maybe 2 representative from SCBW and many representatives from others.
This is why all corps and alliances (that i know of) have a positive k/d ratio.
Add in careful target selection and what I call "engagement style" and a high efficiency rating is easy to obtain.
Also BCs don't affect ratios all that much tbh. BS and T2 ships are what really move numbers.
Corp size also plays an important role here.
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motbob
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You also killed Haargoth Agamar!
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yes :D
Add in careful target selection and what I call "engagement style" and a high efficiency rating is easy to obtain.
we pretty much dont have target selection, our fleets attack everything if the FC is from gc. you have no idea how many times we got hotdropped by RA and PL even when we knew they were gonna drop us and we engaged them anyway.
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On August 01 2009 06:21 WiljushkA wrote:yes :D Show nested quote +Add in careful target selection and what I call "engagement style" and a high efficiency rating is easy to obtain. we pretty much dont have target selection, our fleets attack everything if the FC is from gc. you have no idea how many times we got hotdropped by RA and PL even when we knew they were gonna drop us and we engaged them anyway.
Basically the only thing we run from is super obvious DD attempts and large T1 cruiser blobs if the fleet is t2.
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I was hoping to talk about this stuff in corpchat but i see we'r talking about it here.
On August 01 2009 05:56 Spike wrote:
Just looking at your killboard, many if not most of your kills has 1 or maybe 2 representative from SCBW and many representatives from others.
Corp size also plays an important role here.
Thank you. That was one of my thoughts when i said we'r not a real PvP corp. We are about 48 people in corp. Take out 3-4 alts, we'r left with 44-45 people. Out of these, you'll see about 5-6 people constantly showing up on the killboard :| There are another 5 guys that would show up constantly on the killboard as well, but they'r kinda' taking a break... that started ~ when the corp moved to 0.0 space.
This talk about efficiency gets my blood pressure up :| It's total bullshit. Of course you'll have high efficiency when you get a fleet of BCs (but out of those 15-20 BCs only 1 or 2 are TL) and go kill T3 ships and some battleships. But that's not OUR efficiency. The alliance gets a 20man fleet, BC heavy, and TL corp has 1 T1 cruiser in it. They roam, they kill stuff, it shows up on the TL killboard. TL corp wins EvE !!! Right? Look at our killboard, see how many kills are like that. See how many times we've done close to 0 damage on targets. Boasting about efficiency and how "we" killed this and that, when in fact -WE- is more like blues + 1-2 guys from TL.
Come on guys, let's be realistic. I remember a time when we had corp ops. When you guys were going out on roams in a 7-10 man fleet, and only had 2-3 blues with you. Yes, we can each x-up and join a blue roam, and pvp, but in that case what's the point of being part of the same corp? We could as well be in diff. corps and just talk in the #teamliquid channel. Why are we a corp if we don't do stuff together? And i'm not talking about getting 3-4 guys together and camping some gate, or going ratting. How about those 7-10 man fleets where blues join OUR fleet, not the other way around.
PS: Please don't get me wrong. I appreciate and i am thankful for everything the leadership is doing. We have the reimbursement fund, the corp fittings, our stuff got freighted to 0.0 free of charge (and i hear not many corps do that for their members), corp meetings where our CEO is showing that he cares about wtf is going on and tries to fix the issues. The guys are doing their best to get the corp active (sometimes they lose sight of the fact that not everybody has their skill levels, but that's understandable).
I'm just saying... this is how i see things atm. Don't get all hurt and start with "Who the hell does he think he is, he's been in 1 (ONE!!) pvp op ever since he came down to 0.0, he has NO clue what he's talkin about... damn n00b". I don't think i need to have a masters degree in film school to be able to appreciate a good movie  ... just some common sense.
IMO
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It didn't bother me at all to be missing all the EVE skill training time for the past month but now I'm playing again and waiting on skills to finish again I'm like "wtf nooooooooooo".
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@oncoke
and whose fault is bad activity in pvp since moving to 0.0? guys like you, who cant be bothered to go pvp. thats why we should kick anyone who doesnt pvp from a pvp corp, be it a tl member or not, like every normal corp in eve does, but revo made this corp for tl members first, so thats why we're a "wanabee" corp with guys that take their position in it for granted and dont bother to help out and contribute.
you guys are really lucky you have revo as CEO, the thing he wants the most is a great PVP corp and hes putting that aside to provide a friendly playing environment to tl guys where everyone can do whatever he wants and gets access to 0.0 space.
I was hoping to talk about this stuff in corpchat but i see we'r talking about it here.
youre the only one talking about it here, and bringing up the point. so dont talk about keeping it in corp when your past posts have been made in attempt to bring it out here.
/off vent
ps. about standing on "our own", remember who had 15 man t1 cruiser/bc fleets fighting bs and commandship blobs in placid? now why dont we have those now?
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I've just started my second 14-day trial, still feel like I don't know anything about the game. :D
So far I've only done missions as a Caldari.
I'm thinking about subscribing but I'm not sure if I will really have the time to play enough.
Mostly I'm concerned that I won't be able to pvp right if I don't earn enough money for ships/equipment ("luckily" for skills you don't need to be active, just wait T_T).
How does it work for you? I mean pvping doesnt bring a lot of isk, right?
Do you run other stuff next to it?
If I want to join the corp, who'd give me another trial invite and what race should I start with? ^^
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i'd give you a trial, and all races are equally useful and needed in corp atm, just pick what you like.
you can rat to support your pvp, since it's 0.0 space. we also have a reimbursement program in which we pay for ships members lost on pvp ops. between that and insurance, you lose almost no money when you lose a ship.
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I'm guilty of hanging around in corp chat but not going on ops yet although at the moment I intend to go when I can afford to make the move (ps what ships should I bring?). However at the moment I'm hanging out in caldari space so if you want someone to help you out Asta then go caldari and I'll shadow you.
Also I'm paying taxes into the corp fund from all my stuff so I'm not useless.
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I will join 0.0 as soon as i have t2 (medium) guns...
Problem is.. There seems to be no good Amarr frigate (all of them have 2 midslots at best or are khanid) and the full T2 Harbinger will take me another ~28 days. :/... The only frigate i would call *nice* and could fly pretty fast is the Succubus (sansha) and that thing is about 2-3 x the price of a Jaguar... I doubt this would get reimbursed ^^
So, i'm farming money to then trash it all in a big buy order for 0.0 when im actually ready/feel ready.
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On August 02 2009 00:28 Velr wrote:
I will join 0.0 as soon as i have t2 (medium) guns...
Problem is.. There seems to be no good Amarr frigate (all of them have 2 midslots at best or are khanid) and the full T2 Harbinger will take me another ~28 days. :/... The only frigate i would call *nice* and could fly pretty fast is the Succubus (sansha) and that thing is about 2-3 x the price of a Jaguar... I doubt this would get reimbursed ^^
So, i'm farming money to then trash it all in a big buy order for 0.0 when im actually ready/feel ready.
Why don't you use Arbitrator then? It's a really cool ship.
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On August 02 2009 00:28 Velr wrote:
I will join 0.0 as soon as i have t2 (medium) guns...
Problem is.. There seems to be no good Amarr frigate (all of them have 2 midslots at best or are khanid) and the full T2 Harbinger will take me another ~28 days. :/... The only frigate i would call *nice* and could fly pretty fast is the Succubus (sansha) and that thing is about 2-3 x the price of a Jaguar... I doubt this would get reimbursed ^^
So, i'm farming money to then trash it all in a big buy order for 0.0 when im actually ready/feel ready.
Don't be afraid to cross train races. My Caldari character will be flying a rifter to start off.
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