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On December 07 2013 04:07 Cheesedawg wrote:
I wonder if our friend can still petition his loss?

http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/exploit-notification-forcefield-access/

On December 07 2013 04:07 Cheesedawg wrote:
I wonder if our friend can still petition his loss?

http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/exploit-notification-forcefield-access/

On December 06 2013 23:42 SilentchiLL wrote:



Compared to abom's answer? Definitly. [1]


Come on man, linking a 24.306 letters long wikipedia article when you can just write 2 sentences, isn't exactly the pinnacle of usefulness, or in this context "good", even you have to admit that. [2]

And his answer wasn't "bad" either, he asked a specific question, you gave a way too broad answer, so even if he said economy and not finance:


His answer was still pretty darn fitting.

On December 07 2013 06:30 Warri wrote:

"Attempts to bypass the game mechanics of starbase force-fields are fully visible in server logs to CCP Games’ staff"

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+ Show Spoiler +

On December 07 2013 06:30 Warri wrote:

"Attempts to bypass the game mechanics of starbase force-fields are fully visible in server logs to CCP Games’ staff"

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+ Show Spoiler +

Day 1

A certain channel,
Where fools and scoundrels do meet,
Recruitment, ingame

The idea was simple: find a WH corp naïve enough to look for members in the Recruitment channel. Then take their stuff. This actually took a surprisingly significant amount of time, but eventually, the hand of fate reached down, and revealed my target, a certain Dawn of Fire corp in the venerable OriginsDOT alliance.

A quick killboard search revealed a lack of prowess in PvP, and more encouragingly, the use of t3s, and the odd Scorpion Navy Issue. All in all, a decent enough selection of target, I thought:

http://eve-kill.net/?a=corp_detail&crp_id=8687&view=losses&m=6&y=2012

Of course, the fact that the infiltrating character was a link alt should have been a red flag, if they ever checked the API I gave them (which they didn’t) and they were even competent enough to recognize the suspicious amount of leadership skillpoints (which they wouldn’t, in retrospect).

So, in my convo with a director, I made up some stuff about being interested in WH corps, mentioned my logi skills, submitted an app.

**

Day 2

A single Tengu,
A tempting target indeed,
A test of patience

The next day, I was a proud member of the Dawn of Fire corporation. Upon entering the WH, I immediately warped to the Ship Maintenance Array, like all legitimate corporation members do, and found a Vindicator, a Tengu a couple of Drakes, and some Noctises (Noctii?) stashed inside.

The other Ship Maintenance Array was off-limits to me. There was another SMA at another pos, which I also was unable to access. Presumably, this was where the bulk of the expensive ships were located.

I can’t actually fly a Vindicator, Drakes aren’t exactly the most appealing thing to take, and I opted not to take the Tengu (which was worth about 1b due to fittings – it was certainly tempting). The endgame, then, was to obtain Starbase Config roles for a long enough time as to empty the expensive-ship-containing arrays.

In the meantime, I waited for vindicator prereqs to train, and soaked up info on the TS3 channel and the game interface. Among the interesting things I learned:

-There were three people capable of granting the role Starbase Config Equipment the CEO (Aflack), the CEO’s brother (Brain Reaper, referred to henceforth as BR), and Mr. LinearBurn Aideron, who I will refer to as LB)

-There were plans to move to another WH in the future, a c5, which by my analysis was not going to happen successfully, lacking competent pilots. However, this did not dampen the aspirations of LB, and I quickly extracted that he was mainly in charge of recruiting.

-Due to some sort of institutionally genius decision, there was no static WH, ensuring that the amount of available sites was restricted to the current WH (with a painfully slow respawn rate) and the whims of the WH gods (also not so reliable).

This kind of explained why the corp seemed less than spacerich.

It was, as I complained to Def, a bit like stealing from Enron when the FBI has already arrived at your headquarters.

-Most importantly, there was a good bit of tension between the leadership crew. The CEO was quite adamant that he was the only one capable of granting roles. LB found this restriction somewhat undue, making comments to BR asking whether he also found his brother to be intolerable at times.

Furthermore, LB was the most active, and generally stayed up latest, which meant that if I was to isolate one officer, away from the others, this would be the most chronologically feasible.

There were also several other indications that he possessed a very limited view of game mechanics, which is always a positive when it comes to manipulation.

At the very least, the target was clear, and with that knowledge, the pretext for gaining Starbase Config access began to form in my mind.

I spent the evening talking with LB about his aspirations for the corp and ever so slightly broached the topic of the ships I could fly (logistics for c5s), as I planned to leverage mine (and others’) skillpoints for security access.

**

Day 3


Deceptive matters,
Were aided by another
Chessur is a boss

Day 3 came around and I was greeted by a corp mail that everything was on lockdown because some guy had stolen a Tengu and Raven from the public SMA. Luckily, the guy was retarded enough to lose the Raven to S-tier PvPers SCUM. Alliance, so he was quickly outed as the thief and marked for purgation from the corp.

Upon hearing the news, Honourable Gentleman Michael Harari made the quality observation that I should have stolen the Tengu when I had the chance.

I also sense that there was, perhaps, the opportunity to turn the theft-induced paranoia into an advantage.

I entered Chessur’s Captain’s Quarters while he was worshiping a Caracal Navy Issue replicate and asked him for assistance. The ploy was for him to go on to the corp Teamspeak and exuberantly portray an elitist Tengu pilot with extensive pvp experience that I was attempting to recruit to the corporation, that was very security conscious and was also sort of a dick. Convoluted, sure, but it made sense in my head, even though Michael dismissed it as weird.

The pretext also included that this one pilot was part of a larger group of 4-5 tengu pilots (linked by being members of a WoW raiding guild) that were interested in joining the corporation in search of wormhole riches.

Chessur was able to successfully berate LB into raising the possibility of our group of Tengu pilots dropping a POS ourselves. In order to do that, of course, you need Starbase Config access (while you are onlining the POS, at least), and the fact that LB proactively offered this made me quite optimistic about the plan.

In addition, it seemed like he was liked by LB – it seemed that he genuinely enjoyed being in the company of combat capable pilots.

**
Random theorycraft aside:

The reason I wanted Chessur to act like a dick (be angry, arrogant, interrupt constantly, etc.) was to carry out the social engineering attack from two angles. I would be far more reasonable, and receptive to LB’s arguments, but only to a degree – the end goal, after all, was for LB to offer us some sort of concession for our security.

Imagine trying to extract some sort of IT information from an office worker. You can go for the angry customer approach, or a confused customer that needs the employee’s help. (People do, after all, do tend towards empathy in real life interactions – it’s often no different in EVE.) Anyways, I thought that this would be an elegant way to combine the two approaches.

Also having a second person adds to the believability of a scam. This is why Nigerian 419 fraudsters often play multiple characters at the same time, and pass victims off from a prince, to a banker, to a barrister, and so on—to create the illusion of legitimacy.

(end aside)

I again spent the evening chatting with LB and reflecting my enthusiasm for the idea of dropping a POS.
**

Day 4

A rule of nature:
Always—flies, to fiery flames,
are never alone


Probably the most uneventful day. Except that I realize that a second pair of would-be thieves—including this Demonic Noble fellow—is running the exact same con in the corp that I am, except they are bad at it and don’t isolate LB into another channel.

I fail a pretext for getting access to the config SB role, by asking to store my ship in the secure SMA. I get an offer for him to lockdown the array and then jet the ship when I need it.

I shall try again tomorrow, I decide.

**

Day 5

The final pretext
Meets unforeseen opponent,
Time to improvise

I arrive to see the opposing would-be corp thief asking for roles to store his ship in the secure array. This confirms my suspicion. He’s doing exactly what I’m doing (except he’s risking a hell of a lot more, by actually putting an absolution in the secure storage. Which I could have stole, if I actually flew Absolutions).

Also, while moving BBQ to 1 jump outside the WH, I decide to afk in some random Gallente system and get podded by Eve-Uni. n1 n1

http://killfeed.eveuniversity.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=37464

I figure, seeing as I'm on a limited clock, tonight’s the night to drop the (completely nonexistent) POS. I wait until my opponents log off and am alone with LB. I tell him I intend to set up the POS.

“You do realize this is temporary, right?”

I give my assent. I check member details quickly, and there’s indeed a checkmark by Config Starbase Equipment. Downtime is in 15 minutes – I timed my request to see if he would log and give me free reign over the corp assets. I decide to announce my afk.

Downtime in ~1m 30s. I find that config starbase equipment roles have been removed.

Well, damn.

During downtime, I reason that LB is security conscious enough to only be comfortable giving me roles when he’s online. Which means that I will have to execute the theft while he’s online (and presumably active). Which certainly limits my take (else I could offline everything and shoot up a bunch of space piñata / spinatas), and means that my roles could be revoked mid-heist if he realizes something’s amiss.

I go online and pretty much immediately get SB config access.

I immediately eject 2 tengus and an orca from the secure SMA.

“You can’t scoop that,” the interface helpfully announced, when I boarded the Orca and try to put both tengus in the ship bay. “That tengu has stuff other than charges in it."

whoops

So I’m drifting, having dumped an Orca and 2 Tengus into space, praying that LB didn’t hit dscan, frantically trying to shove the orca and 1 tengu back into the array. Eventually everything is how it should be and I zip away in a freshly acquired Tengu. I mouse over, and see there’s a Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Booster. Worth a pretty penny and a payout (however miniscule) is secure.

On the second trip, I keep looking for the tengu, until I realize that, being completely unfitted, that one had been successfully scooped into the Orca while I was spamming the command. I board the Orca and after an eternity, the thing warps out and I dock it up in the adjoining lowsec.

At this point LB asks me where I am. I notice at this point my config access has actually been revoked. I tell him that I forgot my fuel block in Dodixie and he seems to buy the story. As I enter the WH, I see a Drake in space on dscan. A fleeting thought appears – what if he’s on to me, and, silently furious with rage, has decided to pod me on my way back? Of course, there is no bubble, so there is no harm in checking the POS. I check my details and see that I’ve gotten config SB access again.

During this time, he’s stored his Drake and switched to his Scorpion Navy Issue.

I figure I’ve done all I can do and “go afk” at the SMA again.

He swaps into the Drake, leaving the Scorpion Navy Issue in the SMA. I figure its only a matter of time before he realizes everything is gone, and so with a mental cry of carpe diem I board the Scorpion Navy Issue and warp off, typing “all in the game” in corp chat and disconnecting from TS.

Luckily he doesn’t seem to have been actually at the computer, so I wasn't burned quite yet.

I then realize there’s a second POS, with another SMA, with presumably the vindicator inside. At this point I realize I should probably get BBQ into the WH, as he can actually fly said vindicator.

While I'm changing the password of the second POS (needed to allow BBQ access to it, as well), LB realizes something is amiss:



Having accessed the second POS SMA and jetted the vindicator, I bring BBQ into the WH. I have cunningly renamed “BBQ FTW’s Ibis” to “I’m Stranded ” so as to not arouse suspicion. This makes complete sense as I am very sleep-deprived at the time. I warp to the SMA and hit the pos shield because I’m bad at game and forgot to enter the POS password. Warp out, type in the pw, warp back, +1 Vindicator.

7 minutes later, LB has put together the pieces:


(Yes, its docked in the adjoining lowsec. Regrettably, the guy never had the time to put the CN cruise launchers on it, as intended. Maybe they are sitting in the corp hangar array. Alas...)

In any case, I see that my config SB roles have been removed. In the meantime, I’ve managed to add the drake and the Gurista’s special Buzzard to my score.

I try to warp to the first pos, maybe trying to score a couple of extra drakes. However, everything is on lockdown. Eventually:



Oh well.

also i'm really bad and left a 50m covops ship inside their SMA.

so bad

**

I’d like to thank:

-Zedd – for making this experiment possible in the first place

-Chessur – as improvisation, that was really phenomenal

-Michael – the Orca / POS role master, I’d be lost otherwise

-DefMatrix Ultra – for invaluable strategic advice

-Johnny Business, Kwark, Karah – all honourable Hatchery Gentlemen, the first especially, they inspire all of us to greater things

so u stole my orca and tengu because you tricked linear into giving u rights. congrtas ur a theif and will be labeled theif as long as you play eve as i will personally let your future corps know of your actions and you will be KOS to more people than you can imagine

On December 07 2013 08:35 Galdo wrote:
To respond to the wall of text: Yes, I was a bit demanding in regards to my second response. I stand by my first response under the same point I made earlier (felt like jargon).

I should have been more clear in my second response.

I'll agree that more finance should be general education.

"Exact same kind of response. 'LOL I didn't want a PhD just a fucking 2 word answer.' If he had said 'finance' instead of 'economics', it would actually have been much less snarky and childish. What he's trying to do here is imply that I'm trying to force him to read the dictionary so to speak, but not just the finance dictionary, the whole economics dictionary. "

I stand by my first response under the same point I made earlier (felt like jargon).

On December 07 2013 14:16 419 wrote:
pretty sure that was the vindicator I stole from bears, RIP. why'd you take the serpentis mag stabs off?

On December 07 2013 22:14 Jaaaaasper wrote:
Well that is interesting. This isn't going to do to the goons what happened to bob right?

On December 07 2013 22:18 KwarK wrote:

No, because goons are goonswarm federation, not GoonSwarm.