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kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
July 02 2013 15:22 GMT
#31581
wat
Shootemup.
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1044 Posts
July 02 2013 16:22 GMT
#31582
On July 03 2013 00:11 unsniped wrote:
Show nested quote +
Now I have a humble suggestion to CCP that would greatly increase its customer retention: since most losses are connected to ships blowing up, the hurting losses could be removed from the game by demanding players to have 2x more liquid cash than their ship's worth (hull+fit+cargo). If you have a 100M ship, you must have 200M cash in your wallet to undock. If you are already outside but don't have the money, you can't use offensive modules on it, so you can move it, but can't use it.

dis fuckin guy

Greedy Goblin says something really stupid, news at 11.
"Dirty Timber Picker" Mity Teem Larquad. "I am a baddie and tango is a smartiepants." -KwarK "When you said you didn't play Invoker I thought you were just being modest"
Warri
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany3208 Posts
July 02 2013 17:30 GMT
#31583
On July 03 2013 01:22 Shootemup. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2013 00:11 unsniped wrote:
Now I have a humble suggestion to CCP that would greatly increase its customer retention: since most losses are connected to ships blowing up, the hurting losses could be removed from the game by demanding players to have 2x more liquid cash than their ship's worth (hull+fit+cargo). If you have a 100M ship, you must have 200M cash in your wallet to undock. If you are already outside but don't have the money, you can't use offensive modules on it, so you can move it, but can't use it.

dis fuckin guy

Greedy Goblin says something really stupid, news at 11.

But he mad 500b over the course of 18 months, which is about 0,8b per hour for him. He must be pro??!?
artynko
Profile Joined November 2010
Slovakia86 Posts
July 02 2013 19:24 GMT
#31584
Can someone explain to me what is the reason of dual web on nano ships ? If I think about it since those can only be activated when we are 10km apart wouldn't I be scrammed anyway at that point ? And lets say I have something that goes 2.8k unheated he has brawler that goes I don't know 1.6k unheated, after those dual webs he is at 1.6k * 0.6 * 0.6 = 576, I am scrammed and webbed so something like 400 * 0.6 = 240 and I am dead anyway. Or is there some other use for the web ?
I am talking mainly about 1v1 situations where I can dictate the range from beginning (i.e I am sitting in button and a brawler comes)
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44247 Posts
July 02 2013 19:39 GMT
#31585
skirmish links
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Viceorvirtue
Profile Joined July 2010
United States273 Posts
July 02 2013 19:47 GMT
#31586
Dual webs, or any webs on nano ships (commonly called defensive webs) are there for the fallowing reasons:

Anti tackle. Sometimes youll have a frigate or whatever heat you down and scram you. Dual webs means you deal much more damage and can kill him before a second scram lands on you.

Keeping things at range. This is for situations where the other guy is faster than you but you can heat your webs and keep him from landing a scram. This was very much the case before the cruiser buff when you would use single and dual web drakes and the webs would allow you to control the fight much easier. Its less often seen now because linked cruisers go so fast and have such little relative hp you just dont get into many situations where it becomes a commonly used tactic.

Securing kills. This also goes back to before the cruiser buffs where you would want to at some point agressively web your target to prevent it from leaving the fight. This was standard as a drake vs a nanocane or cynabal in most situations. Now again since cruisers go so fast you dont see this nearly as often.

While the webs are not quite useful in the situation you described, you can just pull the orbit and go afk trick and just not worry about it due to the massive speed difference between the ships and the fact that you start at range.
419
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Russian Federation3631 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-02 20:05:42
July 02 2013 20:04 GMT
#31587
with link adv you have a 19km web to his 13km web / 10.8 km scram

even without link adv, imagine the situation where a scram holding ship is burning towards you at a speed faster than you are, if you mash the web button then he will be slowed enough that he might not be able to land the scram on you. Remember you will be burning away from him while he slows down.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44247 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-02 20:37:30
July 02 2013 20:37 GMT
#31588
Many years ago this topic happened with an idiot named Recoil IV
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1439769#post1439769

He tried to buy it and we exchanged the following PMs. This is regarding a WTS topic with the price clearly marked as 15b that also says "this is a WTS, not a WTA, and offers/bids will be treated as free bumps".

+ Show Spoiler +
hey
From: Recoil IV
Sent: 2012.06.12 15:44
To: X ATM092,

i might be intrested in buying your t3 link alt.contact me



+ Show Spoiler +
Re: hey
From: X ATM092
Sent: 2012.06.12 20:00
To: Recoil IV,

I'm confused by why you wish me to contact you. The toon is listed with eveboard and price. :S



+ Show Spoiler +
offer
From: Recoil IV
Sent: 2012.06.14 09:48
To: X ATM092,

10b isk for cylya money down right now.you aint gonna get more than 11b anyway.and i seen 15b isk toons with 45-50m sp+ with perfect t3 skills in all races and maxxed leadership + support and scanning etc for that kind of money.



+ Show Spoiler +
Re: offer
From: X ATM092
Sent: 2012.06.14 17:37
To: Recoil IV,

You're a very confused individual.



+ Show Spoiler +
hey
From: Recoil IV
Sent: 2012.06.14 17:39
To: X ATM092,

hey,i tried.but good luck selling it for 15b.i`m gonna buy something else for that kind of money



+ Show Spoiler +
Re: hey
From: X ATM092
Sent: 2012.06.14 17:39
To: Recoil IV,

Thank you. Fortunately I will find a buyer for that price and will therefore be 5b richer.



+ Show Spoiler +
re
From: Recoil IV
Sent: 2012.06.14 17:40
To: X ATM092,

doubtfull



+ Show Spoiler +
Re: re
From: X ATM092
Sent: 2012.06.14 17:42
To: Recoil IV,

I know way more about this than you, I do this for my isk and have made hundreds of billions in the last month whereas you struggle with basic reading "This is a WTS, not a WTA, and offers/bids will be treated as free bumps.".



+ Show Spoiler +
re
From: Recoil IV
Sent: 2012.06.14 17:43
To: X ATM092,

you`re loss man.i`m paying for a better toon,in the next 1-2 hours.i made a offer,you refused,thanks



+ Show Spoiler +
Re: re
From: X ATM092
Sent: 2012.06.14 17:45
To: Recoil IV,

Somebody else selling their toon for less than I could sell it for is not actually a problem for me.



He then tried to shit up the topic with
+ Show Spoiler +
10b isk.doesnt worth more considering i found better toons at about 45+ sp m skill points with all cruiser in 5 and perfect leadership,support,subsystems at and even missiles or guns in 15b isk .


Two days later some other dude just buys it for the full price
+ Show Spoiler +
15b buyout


Oddly enough three days later Recoil IV is still on the lookout for a link character despite having found one for 10b that was even better than mine.
+ Show Spoiler +
[ 2012.06.17 14:40:58 ] Recoil IV > wtb pvp leadership booster
[ 2012.06.17 14:41:07 ] Michael Harari > xatm just sold another one
[ 2012.06.17 14:41:37 ] Recoil IV > dont care


He then lowballed and bmed people in a dozen more siege link WTS topics although most of his forum history is self censored.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1495265#post1495265


Obviously there are two sides to every story so I'll quote his here
+ Show Spoiler +
[ 2012.06.17 14:54:09 ] Recoil IV > i trully think x amt is retarded


Alas he would not take my good will gesture
+ Show Spoiler +
[ 2012.06.17 17:34:40 ] Recoil IV > wtb leadership pvp booste
[ 2012.06.17 17:35:05 ] X ATM092 > I'd sell you mine
[ 2012.06.17 17:35:10 ] X ATM092 > but you just missed it
[ 2012.06.17 17:35:11 ] X ATM092 >
[ 2012.06.17 17:36:40 ] X ATM092 > I could send you 5b isk as an apology if you wanted?


and it appeared as if we would leave each other as foes, our paths never to cross again.

However, as of two days ago, he is a member of Watch it Burn. So, how do I play this one out?
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Invol2ver
Profile Joined September 2010
United States330 Posts
July 02 2013 20:37 GMT
#31589
On July 02 2013 08:40 Warri wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2013 07:25 hagon wrote:
On July 02 2013 05:45 Veldril wrote:
On July 02 2013 03:50 Omigawa wrote:
The "ins and outs" is pretty broad. Ask a specific question in this thread and you'll get a specific answer.

Nulli Legio and S2N just got disbanded by the CFC, à la BoB: http://themittani.com/news/breaking-s2n-citizens-nulli-legio-disbanded

Sweet Nullsec tears imo


Not really. The alliance that got disbanded are renter corps so no harm done to the military aspect except war fund. The Isk that was stolen is a lot less than what goons claimed.

There is quite a financial damage done for sure but it also motivate Nulli a lot more to go kill goons.


I dunno where the shit you get your intel, but from that article (11:04:54 AM) xttz: also he jacked 400b is the same number the S2N guy I spoke to brought up, before that article was even published. In the grand scheme of things is it a catastrophe? Not really, but it is a pretty heavy blow, the heap of shit it creates that now needs to be shovelled out the way is pretty big.

Goons are really rolling through their bag of tricks which is always amusing to watch

400b is fucking nothing for alliance wallets. Sure it sounds like a big number to the grunts in goonswarm which are now fistbumping and spewing their "u mad pubbie?" in every relevant and non relevant thread, but come on, you should now better when you frequent TL. The money is not gonna hurt, unlike having to regrind(?) all their systems now before they can go out to war again.


So it looks like a little over a day after the fact that most of the loss on the sov front has been rectified. Apparently Nulli is back in control of all of the stations lost and has reclaimed all of the territory with minimal interference from SOLAR. N3 + PL pretty much bounced around with over 100 supers last night and took care of everything before any SOLAR TCUs could even finish onlining. Pretty impressive damage control.

I think the card could have been played way better. had they executed the sov drop during Russian primetime SOLAR TCUs could have been well on their way to being online if they had coordinated it well. But its looking mroe and more like this was just a guy who had roles and a grudge rather than a CFC plant, he apparently approached CFC for instructions on how to carry out the deed.

The isk blow is inconvenient but not insurmountable. I don't think anyone counted on PL showing up like they did to help but they have a significant investment in the area after evicting SOLAR recently that they apparently got very mad about the whole thing and rage grinded with supers all night.

Fun times.
Losing money is less good than making it, confirm?
Vipsanius
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands708 Posts
July 02 2013 21:05 GMT
#31590
Sell him a link alt?
419
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Russian Federation3631 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-02 21:07:17
July 02 2013 21:06 GMT
#31591
Wrathful Penguins > hey, I said nigga, not nigger
Wrathful Penguins > completely different
Wrathful Penguins > I'd never say nigger
?
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44247 Posts
July 02 2013 21:34 GMT
#31592
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=19646782
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44247 Posts
July 02 2013 21:42 GMT
#31593
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=19367965
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
July 02 2013 21:59 GMT
#31594
'Management has been informed.'
Mandini
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1717 Posts
July 02 2013 22:22 GMT
#31595
It takes some skill to lose a vagabond to a raven
Mysticus
Profile Joined April 2011
298 Posts
July 02 2013 23:22 GMT
#31596
On July 03 2013 07:22 Mandini wrote:
It takes some skill to lose a vagabond to a raven


Cruise missile raven at that.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34505 Posts
July 02 2013 23:52 GMT
#31597
Wow those fits are horrendously bad.
Moderator
artynko
Profile Joined November 2010
Slovakia86 Posts
July 03 2013 18:00 GMT
#31598
I've been flying stabber recently in FW and had some success with it but I am getting owned all the time by cynabals and vagabonds so I was trying to create some faster fit and came up with this
+ Show Spoiler +
[Scythe Fleet Issue, autocannon2]
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Warp Disruptor II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Optical Tracking Computer I, Optimal Range Script
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction

220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
5W Infectious Power System Malfunction

Medium Projectile Ambit Extension I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I


Which has better dps by 25% at the 20km range, has extra 3k ehp and goes faster by 400 (2.7k with my skills). What I have no idea is if I should get rid of the 2nd nano and get DCU ? Is there something like breaking points when it comes to ships speed ? Something like anything above 2.5k is wasted unless you can get 2.9k because suddenly you are faster then X ? I basically have no idea if it is worth to sacrifice EHP in favor of speed when the speed feels high enough anyway.
Ramiel
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1220 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-03 18:42:12
July 03 2013 18:24 GMT
#31599
On July 04 2013 03:00 artynko wrote:
I've been flying stabber recently in FW and had some success with it but I am getting owned all the time by cynabals and vagabonds so I was trying to create some faster fit and came up with this
+ Show Spoiler +
[Scythe Fleet Issue, autocannon2]
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Warp Disruptor II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Optical Tracking Computer I, Optimal Range Script
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction

220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
5W Infectious Power System Malfunction

Medium Projectile Ambit Extension I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I


Which has better dps by 25% at the 20km range, has extra 3k ehp and goes faster by 400 (2.7k with my skills). What I have no idea is if I should get rid of the 2nd nano and get DCU ? Is there something like breaking points when it comes to ships speed ? Something like anything above 2.5k is wasted unless you can get 2.9k because suddenly you are faster then X ? I basically have no idea if it is worth to sacrifice EHP in favor of speed when the speed feels high enough anyway.



Here is what you should use:

[Scythe Fleet Issue, New Setup 1]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Damage Control II

Warp Disruptor II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I

Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile
[empty high slot]

Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I
Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I


Warrior II x5

380 Heated DPS out to 45K (With 3% implants) Your faster than both the cynabal, and the vaga. You have more EHP than the vaga, and only slightly less than the cynabal.

When fighting the Vagabond:

Do not throw your point on him, until you see him align / try to warp away. Vaga pilots are really stupid, and will think that they have the advantage in this fight. Use this cockiness to your advantage. You both have really shitty caps, so you need to be careful with yours. You will win this fight, if you can keep the vaga around 26/30K The idea is to not let him get on top of you. You have more dps at range than him, you have better agility and more speed. All you have to do at this point is kite. Load Nova Fury and rape his face. Vagas have about 22K ehp to EXPLO damage, while you have 35K+. Should be an easy win.

When fighting the Cynabal:
This match is much harder (Again cap conservation is key here. they will be cocky and think your an easy kill. Don't put your point on them unless you see them aligning out), A properly fit cynabal will be able to hit you for ok damage around 25/30. While you will be doing more to him, he has more EHP (A small amount) and it will be a close one to call. However I have seen very few properly fit cynabals in my day- so don't be to alarmed if you see one- because it is mostly likely shit fit (just like vagas) You are faster, so you can always disengage if you want. Ideally you want to load Mjolnir Fury, and like the vagabond keep at range. Do not let him get close to you.

There is another fit that is also quite good. Its the exact same thing, except you drop an LSE for an AB, and you can go dual prop. With a fit like that, its very possible to sig tank most of the incoming damage. But Dual prop fits are a bit more complex, and because your new I will not confuse you yet with that added foolery.

A thread vaguely bashing SC2? SWARM ON, LOW POST COUNT BRETHREN! DEFEND THE GLORIOUS GAME THAT IS OUR LIVELIHOOD
419
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Russian Federation3631 Posts
July 03 2013 23:33 GMT
#31600
no web m8?
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