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DefMatrixUltra
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada1992 Posts
March 22 2013 00:23 GMT
#29801
On March 22 2013 09:07 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2013 08:47 DefMatrixUltra wrote:
On March 22 2013 08:43 Lysenko wrote:
On March 22 2013 07:48 artynko wrote:
Yes I was getting orbited at 500, I have the shield fitted nano build, I was just curious if there is a way how to handle the situation when I get caught or I am basically dead at that point. Now I know. Would something like the web drones work or is that a stupid idea ?


Just throwing this out there to see if the more experienced TL folks think it's a valid idea, but I have seen Ceofore Aideron, on his stream, carry a flight of 5 ECM drones specifically for situations where he's tackled and just wants to get out.


Of course it is. In fact, it's way too fucking effective. I've seen Cynabals jam carriers with their Vespas.

Also, this is surprisingly legit http://i.imgur.com/4ku2PXO.png .

1:19 cap?
Unflyable.


It's cap-stable when firing at targets normally. It's cap-stable when MWDing if you miss 1/4 cycle every ~7 cycles. For reference, Zealot is 1:49. Your experience flying a ship with 8 cap-alphaing guns does not carry over so well here.
419
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Russian Federation3631 Posts
March 22 2013 00:38 GMT
#29802
you won't always start a fight at full capacitor, though.
?
DefMatrixUltra
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada1992 Posts
March 22 2013 00:50 GMT
#29803
On March 22 2013 09:38 419 wrote:
you won't always start a fight at full capacitor, though.


Obviously not. Same applies to the Zealot. Shit, if I can fly a Zealot with a longpoint, I can fly this Omen.
Impervious
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada4213 Posts
March 22 2013 01:33 GMT
#29804
On March 22 2013 09:38 419 wrote:
you won't always start a fight at full capacitor, though.

I always assume that I have to MWD a lot before a fight starts. I check for capacitor remaining when perma-MWDing only, and use that as a starting point to judge how long my capacitor will actually last.
~ \(ˌ)im-ˈpər-vē-əs\ : not capable of being damaged or harmed.
DiracMonopole
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1555 Posts
March 22 2013 02:16 GMT
#29805
I just drop a TE and go double PDS on my omen
Body_Shield
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada3368 Posts
March 22 2013 02:33 GMT
#29806
Kwark how is your nullsec plan going
So, five-card stud, nothing wild... and the sky's the limit
DefMatrixUltra
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada1992 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-22 02:41:39
March 22 2013 02:40 GMT
#29807
There are two things in this capacitor discussion that I feel are overlooked.

One of them involves some raw mathematics and some intuition about the interaction of multiple rates, but suffice it to say that EFT/pyfa isn't generally a good indicator of how a ship will behave unless it's showing cap-stable. There are things you can do to form a stable equilibrium with 2 or 3 light switches draining power from a slowly-recharging battery - particularly a battery with a notable peak recharge. Two otherwise identical setups with the same drain per second behave differently depending on the size and distribution of the drain events - with the smaller frequent events being favored over larger infrequent events because of the closer relationship with continuous drain.

The other more general and generally more important aspect is what can be thought of gas mileage. When an Oracle fires off its MWD, it can go some distance r in one cycle. When a Zealot fires off its MWD, it can go something like 1.5r. It gets 50% more distance for the same capacitor usage. When in you're the slowest ship in a fleet, you can build up a certain perception about how much capacitor is needed to reasonably be able to field a ship - and it will not apply to every other ship faster than you. The most extreme example I can think of is flying a fleet made up of battleships with frigate support. You could fly frigates with 30s or less capacitor in EFT/pyfa and be totally fine whereas the battleships' perception is that it would be entirely infeasible.

I once did some work on whether or not I should switch my meta MWD to a T2 MWD on the Zealot - because there are very many situations where I spend <30% of the time MWDing. I came to the conclusion that the possible advantages were small and possible disadvantages quite large. But still, I looked at it in the first place because the repeated experiences I had with the ship was that it worked primarily outside of MWD.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43483 Posts
March 22 2013 05:05 GMT
#29808
On March 22 2013 11:33 Body_Shield wrote:
Kwark how is your nullsec plan going

SD quotes
[04:16:33] Wrathful Penguins > attacked by razu 2x artynado purifier
[04:19:12] Gl Orious > and none of them survived
[04:21:01] Viceorvirtue > you kill them all?

Default Hatchery assumption. It's just a different world than the one normal eve players live in. Purifier and one nado escaped in structure, other nado and razu weren't so lucky.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Rengas
Profile Joined July 2012
United States169 Posts
March 22 2013 05:20 GMT
#29809
On March 22 2013 07:14 tofucake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2013 04:07 Invol2ver wrote:
http://evenews24.com/2013/03/21/verge-of-collapse-nyx-dies-at-the-hands-of-nofux-friends-27-billion-in-damages/

No more Verge super drop stories =[

a) that was rengas's personal nyx

2. I think we still have a couple, dunno though

b) Yeah it was mine however thanks to kwark and etaniii I can replace it many times over.
3. We're still dropping. It's just slightly more dangerous now that PL. have moved in to the regions we used to drop in.
Mandini
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1717 Posts
March 22 2013 09:03 GMT
#29810
On March 22 2013 14:05 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2013 11:33 Body_Shield wrote:
Kwark how is your nullsec plan going

SD quotes
[04:16:33] Wrathful Penguins > attacked by razu 2x artynado purifier
[04:19:12] Gl Orious > and none of them survived
[04:21:01] Viceorvirtue > you kill them all?

Default Hatchery assumption. It's just a different world than the one normal eve players live in. Purifier and one nado escaped in structure, other nado and razu weren't so lucky.

Well if you died you wouldn't have left it open like that
Invol2ver
Profile Joined September 2010
United States330 Posts
March 22 2013 12:42 GMT
#29811
On March 22 2013 14:20 Rengas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2013 07:14 tofucake wrote:
On March 22 2013 04:07 Invol2ver wrote:
http://evenews24.com/2013/03/21/verge-of-collapse-nyx-dies-at-the-hands-of-nofux-friends-27-billion-in-damages/

No more Verge super drop stories =[

a) that was rengas's personal nyx

2. I think we still have a couple, dunno though

b) Yeah it was mine however thanks to kwark and etaniii I can replace it many times over.
3. We're still dropping. It's just slightly more dangerous now that PL. have moved in to the regions we used to drop in.


Good to hear
Losing money is less good than making it, confirm?
michaelthe
Profile Joined February 2010
United States359 Posts
March 22 2013 19:21 GMT
#29812
anyone watch the event today? I watched a stream. It looked like CCP caps shooting each other with a FFA around it for 2 hours total.
Vipsanius
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands708 Posts
March 22 2013 19:34 GMT
#29813
http://match.eve-csm.com/candidate.php?id=9

Real life experience
I mine asteroids in space for Planetary Resources and ransom ships off the coast of Somalia.

Why will you be an effective CSM member?

Because, no offence to certain other candidates, I actually undock and play the game.

In what way do you think the CSM can be improved?

The main thing I think is lacking in the current CSM is myself, that's why I'm running.
Rengas
Profile Joined July 2012
United States169 Posts
March 22 2013 20:09 GMT
#29814
On March 23 2013 04:34 Vipsanius wrote:
http://match.eve-csm.com/candidate.php?id=9

Show nested quote +
Real life experience
I mine asteroids in space for Planetary Resources and ransom ships off the coast of Somalia.

Why will you be an effective CSM member?

Because, no offence to certain other candidates, I actually undock and play the game.

In what way do you think the CSM can be improved?

The main thing I think is lacking in the current CSM is myself, that's why I'm running.

Answers too stronk.
Johnny Business
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1251 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-22 21:43:25
March 22 2013 20:54 GMT
#29815
Offer PL secret intel 4 Etana Rengas. It will be cheaper in the long run.

Also kwark get me those hg-1008s pl all over my dick because I offered something I didn't have.
Serious Business
Rengas
Profile Joined July 2012
United States169 Posts
March 22 2013 22:49 GMT
#29816
On March 23 2013 05:54 Johnny Business wrote:
Offer PL secret intel 4 Etana Rengas. It will be cheaper in the long run.

Also kwark get me those hg-1008s pl all over my dick because I offered something I didn't have.

Actually PL gave AQUILA a Nyx recently (true story ask Mukk) but I'll consider your proposal.
artynko
Profile Joined November 2010
Slovakia86 Posts
March 23 2013 10:11 GMT
#29817
What is the stance on attacking people from my militia when they invade my button in SB ? Is there some moral code people should try to follow to stand to the high TL standards ?
Johnny Business
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1251 Posts
March 23 2013 11:36 GMT
#29818
lol brah shoot everything.
Serious Business
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34500 Posts
March 23 2013 11:36 GMT
#29819
On March 23 2013 19:11 artynko wrote:
What is the stance on attacking people from my militia when they invade my button in SB ? Is there some moral code people should try to follow to stand to the high TL standards ?

They tend not to like it when you shoot them.

We've had a few diplomatic incidents from when people have complained to us about our members shooting them. Our official stance is that we really don't give a damn.
Moderator
Captain Mayhem
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Sweden774 Posts
March 23 2013 12:12 GMT
#29820
Gallente militia is free game since they're just allies, not in the *same* militia as us. But doesn't the entire corp lose standing for shooting at dudes from our own?
Gravity is just a theory anyway.
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