EPT"I play blink, it's profitable."
"You're a moron."
"No I'm not, my entire corp plays it."
sometime later
"what's EV?!?!"
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KwarK
United States43737 Posts
"I play blink, it's profitable." "You're a moron." "No I'm not, my entire corp plays it." sometime later "what's EV?!?!" | ||
Firebolt145
Lalalaland34502 Posts
On March 21 2013 00:39 KwarK wrote: EUNI chat "I play blink, it's profitable." "You're a moron." "No I'm not, my entire corp plays it." sometime later "what's EV?!?!" You never know, he might be an Ueber alt telling the truth. | ||
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kollin
United Kingdom8380 Posts
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Antoine
United States7481 Posts
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
On March 20 2013 03:49 DefMatrixUltra wrote: 1) Yes you are, you just don't know it yet. 2) If you truly have no interest in PVP in EVE, you should play another game. EVE would be a considerable and painful waste of your time. Of course I plan to do PvP, but PvP before you have enough cash to pay out of your asshole for new ships seems like a bad idea. I will consider it once I can run L4 missions semi-effortlessly. I'm still running L2s in a Caracal so it seems like it will be a bit before that time. | ||
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kollin
United Kingdom8380 Posts
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Firebolt145
Lalalaland34502 Posts
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Zavior
Finland753 Posts
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artynko
Slovakia86 Posts
Just as a comparison I have an alt in a small corp with players from my country and it is laughable when they get all excited about 20M of loot in a mission or that the whole corp is trying to save money to buy an Orca. While I can plex 3 accounts just by doing buttons in Caracal with 2 months old character. | ||
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Russian Federation3631 Posts
On March 21 2013 02:26 Zavior wrote: With next to no skills. This is why the majority of eve is clueless someone needs to buy the implants I obtained with balanced mechanics ~ | ||
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
On March 21 2013 02:50 artynko wrote: They speak the truth! I joined shield battery after playing alone for about a month doing pve and flying L4s, after 2 days in SB I was banging my head on the wall thinking why didn't I join right away, the amount of money I've got from FW in a frigate was absurd compared to the L4 missions. Just as a comparison I have an alt in a small corp with players from my country and it is laughable when they get all excited about 20M of loot in a mission or that the whole corp is trying to save money to buy an Orca. While I can plex 3 accounts just by doing buttons in Caracal with 2 months old character. I don't get it, what is it that gives you money? Isn't it split among the killers, and in faction warfare I would assume there's tons of you? | ||
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Firebolt145
Lalalaland34502 Posts
On March 21 2013 03:54 Tobberoth wrote: I don't get it, what is it that gives you money? Isn't it split among the killers, and in faction warfare I would assume there's tons of you? Er, no. Money from faction warfare does not come from PvPing. It comes from doing either easy complexes in T1 Merlins or missions in a Caracal Navy Issue. You can do both of them solo. | ||
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KwarK
United States43737 Posts
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DefMatrixUltra
Canada1992 Posts
On March 21 2013 03:54 Tobberoth wrote: I don't get it, what is it that gives you money? Isn't it split among the killers, and in faction warfare I would assume there's tons of you? Faction warfare is a game mechanic, not a playstyle. If you diligently read up on it, everyone in EVE will tell you that FW is about grouping up with a bunch of people in lowsec and gatecamping for honour/LP/faction loyalty. This is why they are behind the curve. If you diligently read up on making ISK in EVE, you will find out that L4 missions in a tanky battleship are where it's at. Unfortunately, no one mentions that you can make significantly more in a low-SP T1 frigate doing FW complexes than in a high-SP Machariel doing L4 missions, even if you blitz missions like a professional (something which takes significant knowledge, SP, and comfort - things new players don't have). When I was doing it, I could lose literally hundreds of T1 frigates doing FW complexes before it would start to make a dent in my profits. Doing missions in hi-sec is not safe either. If you don't know all the various rules surrounding PVP mechanisms, you can easily be tricked into becoming a free kill. When you undock in this game, you are no longer safe. Hell, you can disregard those rules entirely and just suffer losing your ship ( http://teamliquid.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=16860241 http://teamliquid.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=16859743). It's a good sign that you're intelligent and have not only the ability but the drive to read up on EVE. EUNI values this very highly. Unfortunately, there's nothing worth reading about EVE on the internet unless it's hidden away. Everything that you've gleaned from your work is likely wrong in some fundamental way that has important outcomes in the decisions you'd make with the information. Just trust in TL, they won't bombard you with bad, outdated information. | ||
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
On March 21 2013 04:24 DefMatrixUltra wrote: Faction warfare is a game mechanic, not a playstyle. If you diligently read up on it, everyone in EVE will tell you that FW is about grouping up with a bunch of people in lowsec and gatecamping for honour/LP/faction loyalty. This is why they are behind the curve. If you diligently read up on making ISK in EVE, you will find out that L4 missions in a tanky battleship are where it's at. Unfortunately, no one mentions that you can make significantly more in a low-SP T1 frigate doing FW complexes than in a high-SP Machariel doing L4 missions, even if you blitz missions like a professional (something which takes significant knowledge, SP, and comfort - things new players don't have). When I was doing it, I could lose literally hundreds of T1 frigates doing FW complexes before it would start to make a dent in my profits. Doing missions in hi-sec is not safe either. If you don't know all the various rules surrounding PVP mechanisms, you can easily be tricked into becoming a free kill. When you undock in this game, you are no longer safe. Hell, you can disregard those rules entirely and just suffer losing your ship ( http://teamliquid.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=16860241 http://teamliquid.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=16859743). It's a good sign that you're intelligent and have not only the ability but the drive to read up on EVE. EUNI values this very highly. Unfortunately, there's nothing worth reading about EVE on the internet unless it's hidden away. Everything that you've gleaned from your work is likely wrong in some fundamental way that has important outcomes in the decisions you'd make with the information. Just trust in TL, they won't bombard you with bad, outdated information. Well, that certainly makes me less inclined to play the game. It sounds like downright exploiting that doing something in a merlin which from what I can gather online (which like you say is obviously not telling the whole truth), wasn't intended to be lucrative, makes you far more isk than working your butt of to get the skills and items needed to do L4 missions. Especially since even L2 missions aren't all that lucrative, I doubt I even make 500k isk on average doing a mission which can take anything from 10 to 20 minutes. I could join up with SB and hope for them to teach me how to abuse myself tons of isk in a merlin but I don't know, it just doesn't sound like a fun way to play the game. Obviously, the fact that it's possible and other people are doing it, makes it sound less fun to play the game at all. What FW complexes sounds like when reading up on it online is basically find a complex, go into it, wait for people to come kill you. Nothing is mentioned of how this could ever lead to profit. | ||
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Captain Mayhem
Sweden774 Posts
On March 21 2013 04:57 Tobberoth wrote:/.../ it just doesn't sound like a fun way to play the game /.../ Grinding for money isn't the fun part, the fun comes in spending it on pimpmobile ships and shit. Which you conveniently can do in FW as well. | ||
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Firebolt145
Lalalaland34502 Posts
What we are doing is not abuse of game mechanics. It is a clever way to make really good isk, allowing to focus the majority of our time doing stuff that we actually enjoy without worrying about isk. Granted, if the things you enjoy in EVE are roleplaying a miner or manufacturer or courier person, then by all means do that instead. Enjoyment > whatever isk you may gain. | ||
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Zavior
Finland753 Posts
On March 21 2013 04:58 Captain Mayhem wrote: Is there an amarr ship that can perform at least close to the CNI for FW missions, or do I need to edit my skillplan again? there is no such ship for amarr | ||
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
On March 21 2013 05:02 Firebolt145 wrote: Stop reading stuff online. Honestly, 90% of stuff online is written by people who are only slightly less clueless than you are currently. It's sad but that is the way things are in EVE. What we are doing is not abuse of game mechanics. It is a clever way to make really good isk, allowing to focus the majority of our time doing stuff that we actually enjoy without worrying about isk. Granted, if the things you enjoy in EVE are roleplaying a miner or manufacturer or courier person, then by all means do that instead. Enjoyment > whatever isk you may gain. At the moment, I don't really enjoy anything in the game. I expected missions to become more interesting over time, but from what I gather, the same missions just repeat and are only made more difficult my NPCs doing and taking more damage, which is solved by getting better ships. Which basically means the game should be more or less as boring doing L4s in a Tengu as doing L2s in a caracal. What's fun in the game is obviously getting new ships, fitting them etc, which is unlocked by grinding, which is boring. To become more effective in attaining isk, one has to learn how to do so. This topic is basically telling me not to read online, which means there's not really any avenue of learning either. Hatchery Pub is about as as active as the BW shareware community, so there's not really any help to be gotten there either. Right now, I'm considering either joining EVE Uni and see if I enjoy fleet stuff, or simply not pay for another month of the game. | ||
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Firebolt145
Lalalaland34502 Posts
Best place to learn is to come onto TeamLiquid's teamspeak and into the EVE channels. Most people there will be playing Dota but if you ask they should happily guide you and answer any questions as to how you can start FW. For most of us in Hatchery/Shield Battery, the most fun activity was PvP. Sadly, our activity has hit an all-time low thanks to Dota. Shield Battery may try to jumpstart again soon, once again the best place for you to stay updated on this is by hanging out in our TS channels. To close this off, I suppose I should be realistic. It may turn out that Shield Battery is still going to remain inactive for the near future. It may be worth applying to Eve University as well in the meantime as their application process takes a couple weeks anyway. When you get in, you may find that you enjoy their playstyle. Who knows. Better to learn some of the game with them than for us to tell you that you're always doing it wrong and have you end up not doing anything at all. | ||
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