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SCDoGo
United States92 Posts
On August 13 2012 12:52 tofucake wrote: why do you keep pasting your losses here? put them on the killboard and then link to the killboard like this: http://kespa.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14318071 Gotta say, that has to be the most bad-ass capsule I've ever seen. It's packin' heat. | ||
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Impervious
Canada4200 Posts
I don't have the CPU to put anything there, but even if I did, I have no idea what I would want to put there anyways..... It feels weird to leave a slot empty..... | ||
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419
Russian Federation3631 Posts
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Impervious
Canada4200 Posts
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I Warp Disruptor II [Empty Med slot] 150mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S 150mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S 150mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S [Empty High slot] Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I Small Ancillary Current Router I Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I Zainou 'Gypsy' Electronics EE-603 Eifyr and Co. 'Rogue' Evasive Maneuvering EM-703 Zor's Custom Navigation Hyper-Link Eifyr and Co. 'Gunslinger' Surgical Strike SS-903 | ||
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419
Russian Federation3631 Posts
What's the optimal on that? Most strong rail setups I've seen use the scram/web/ab --> kite at edge of scram strategy. I'm not sure you're going to be hitting at the edge of long point range. In any case, there's always something you could put into that midslot that would really help you -- of the top of my head I can think: MSE, TD, web, cap booster. | ||
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Impervious
Canada4200 Posts
Optimal is 11.2k, falloff is 17.7k, 112 dps, 4226 m/s unheated, 3.37 second align, 4+ minutes of cap, .105 tracking. I've had a lot of success with my untanked arty rifter. I simply kill tackle before the rest of their gang can get to me. Comparing my arty rifter stats..... Optimal is 13.3k, falloff is 13.7k, 62 dps, 3704 m/s unheated, 3.6 second align, infinite cap (due to cap booster), .179 tracking. Nearly twice the dps, better in almost every way except tracking (slightly lower optimal as well, and slightly less EHP). I want to give this a shot, since I've found that I'm hitting hard, even up close, with my arty rifter, so tracking seems to not be an issue with how I fly. Plus, a worse fit absolutely slaughtered my arty rifter at range. And I mean slaughtered. Simply put, it's just better than my rifter, and my rifter has been working very well for me. EDIT - I'm literally at 99.20% cpu usage with that mid slot left empty. I'd have to do something drastic to be able to fit something there, and I'm not sure if it's even worth it, because everything that the ship really needs is already on it. | ||
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Russian Federation3631 Posts
You can't judge a ship by its 1v1 matchups -- conventional podla drake straight up loses to talos, that doesn't mean that one is strictly better than the other. maybe try downgrading to 125s, see if that can buy you a TD | ||
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Impervious
Canada4200 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Fd017.jpg) | ||
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jfourz
Ireland421 Posts
e: guy above me, if you want to go fast you probably want at least a nano. all that speed ain't shit if you don't have the agility. also fit a tank plz | ||
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Impervious
Canada4200 Posts
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jfourz
Ireland421 Posts
On August 13 2012 19:14 Impervious wrote: It's already heavily tanked. It's heavily speed tanked, and heavily dps tanked. What more do you need? that thing has no tank. i don't think i need to tell you but leaving a mid or low slot empty is basically unforgivable on any ship you will die in 5 seconds to drones and other frigs. anything that can't catch you or can't match your range will just leave. it is a terrible fit. here's a better one (note: still bad) that i made in 30 sec doesn't use your ~elitepvp~ implants, although you should just fit a scram and blasters with null anyway [Atron, atron] Nanofiber Internal Structure II Micro Auxiliary Power Core I Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I Medium Shield Extender II Warp Disruptor II 125mm Railgun II, Federation Navy Uranium Charge S 125mm Railgun II, Federation Navy Uranium Charge S Core Probe Launcher I /OFFLINE 125mm Railgun II, Federation Navy Uranium Charge S Small Ancillary Current Router I Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Small Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I | ||
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419
Russian Federation3631 Posts
i do think this atron has an exceptionally poor matchup against the thrasher (sticking around to see whether its AC would be kind of un-advisable, unless you are good at looking at guns) which I would imagine you would see a lot of in RvB anything that can't catch you or can't match your range will just leave. yeah that's not true did he kill those vengance inc. black ops bads? that's pretty noble of him. | ||
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jfourz
Ireland421 Posts
On August 13 2012 19:48 419 wrote: "will die to a flight of warrior IIs" is a criticism that can be directed towards a lot of setups, but its not always a relevant one i do think this atron has an exceptionally poor matchup against the thrasher (sticking around to see whether its AC would be kind of un-advisable, unless you are good at looking at guns) which I would imagine you would see a lot of in RvB yeah that's not true no, most frigates won't just roll over and die to warrior iis with a competent pilot. even something as fragile as a stiletto or an ares can kill warrior iis before the warrior iis do any structure damage it really is true, although "yeah that's not true" is a compelling argument indeed. mwd frig fights are so easy to leave, because the person kiting has to be afraid of sling shots, if they burn after you when you try to leave, you can often get a scram and kill them. if they don't, you are away. you can claim to be tom cruise in top gun and say that would never happen to you, but i don't believe you. if he had a scram web and fought at the edge of scram it would be a different story, but implying you can't just leave against something like this is just plain incorrect, especially if he actually plans to fight outside 20k (i assume he does, why else would he try so hard to get such range) all the above is assuming you can get them to engage you in the first place. your primary targets in that thing are going to be slow, brawling frigs and destroyers, and neither is going to aggress an atron going 4kms^-1 at 20km plinking away at your shields. if you assume your opponent is god awful, then it really doesn't matter what you fly e: this is what he did http://pizza.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=14317666 apparently it's true about him just laughing to much to warp, he had 5 core stabs lmao | ||
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Warri
Germany3208 Posts
Also why did bbq get warned for that picture :D | ||
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solsken
Sweden182 Posts
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Rizzla88
United Kingdom41 Posts
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abominare
United States1216 Posts
On August 13 2012 20:04 jfourz wrote: if you assume your opponent is god awful, then it really doesn't matter what you fly And yet you're happy to assume that all kiting pilots are bad enough to always get caught in a sling shot? MWD kite frigs are fun in the sense that instead of approach f1 theres a signifcant need to manaully pilot and pay attention/try to predict what the other pilot is going to do. Assuming they're all going ot be shit is an easy way to get killed, but on the other side assuming that they're always going to out pilot you and sling shot catch you, pretty much leaves you stuck docked up deciding that in such a strange game the only way to win is to not play, so maybe a game of chess? | ||
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
On August 14 2012 00:34 abominare wrote: And yet you're happy to assume that all kiting pilots are bad enough to always get caught in a sling shot? MWD kite frigs are fun in the sense that instead of approach f1 theres a signifcant need to manaully pilot and pay attention/try to predict what the other pilot is going to do. Assuming they're all going ot be shit is an easy way to get killed, but on the other side assuming that they're always going to out pilot you and sling shot catch you, pretty much leaves you stuck docked up deciding that in such a strange game the only way to win is to not play, so maybe a game of chess? Not chess... ![[image loading]](http://content8.flixster.com/movie/11/14/87/11148730_det.jpg) The only way to win is not to play. | ||
KwarK
United States42778 Posts
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abominare
United States1216 Posts
On August 14 2012 01:01 KwarK wrote: And now I'm watching war games. Fuck you guys. You could always watch the sequel! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WarGames:_The_Dead_Code *not actually safe for consumption | ||
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