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Yes, there was some theft but both sides claim something differently...
"The Mittani" claims that they stole enough parts for 3 titans and a nyx, but they have no proof or screenshots to prove that they did it.....
Atlas says that the pilot came into the alliance with his own Titan from Triumvirate and that he had another set of parts with him... They claim that he left the alliance with his own titan and his parts away. That he was trying to use Atlas to make that second titan....But I would say that maybe there was a set of parts that was stolen....So out of the 3 that "The Mittani" says were stolen, I would say it's possible that the Titan Pilot did steal 1 set for goonswarm not counting his own personal set and his own Titan.
As to the whole Blob thing.... I have been playing the game for over 4 years now... The Norther Coalition and Goonswarm are famous for bringing in huge number of pilots to fight. I.E. Their goals were to crash nodes and not let the other side be able to jump in. Kenzoku (former BoB) was always fighting outnumbered by a very big number of pilots. The only thing that set them apart was that they had highly skilled pilots both SP and real skill and also they got used to the LAG in the systems because their opponents always brought a lot more pilots.
When the servers got upgraded, Kenzoku, lots its main advantage when fighting blobs which was the LAG they were so used to...The in game skill points didn't matter anymore because everyone caught up over the years....Now the blob had an even bigger advantage against Kenzoku, which lead to them recruiting more people that were not to par with their standards and it polluted them with bad pilots....
But losing their space has made em stronger in my opinion because they have now shed all the FAT they acquired to fight in those blobs the only people, the 1800 or so pilots in Kenzoku are the hardcore pilots who love the situation they are in.
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silly goonies dismantling kenny's infrastructure has only made them stronger and angrier.
any day now they are going to go SSJ like my hero GOKU and start doing relevant things in eve again.
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Baltimore, USA22250 Posts
On May 02 2009 16:07 feathers wrote:
This has to be the dorkest thing ever. still looks neat but I would never waste my time with it.
Thanks for your input. Don't ever do it again.
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Aurra not sure if that was meant towards me, But I never meant it like that, so please don't try to troll  ...
The best place to get the least amount of biased reports is on www.scrapheap-challenge.com not sure if has been mentioned so far in this thread ...
Reports are given by both sides and it's not one sided nor is it full of trolls like on www.eve-online.com's CAOD forum section....
-BeJ
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Just read the thing in it's entirety... I severely underestimated how interesting EVE could be.
Thanks for going through the trouble of writing all of that up.
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On May 03 2009 00:18 Aurra wrote:
silly goonies dismantling kenny's infrastructure has only made them stronger and angrier.
any day now they are going to go SSJ like my hero GOKU and start doing relevant things in eve again.
We can do the fusion dance, its okay.
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On May 02 2009 15:00 MamiyaOtaru wrote:GS steals 3 Titans from Atlas? hahaha Show nested quote +On May 02 2009 09:50 BeJe77 wrote:Wow, I didn't think there were so many goon sympathizers here.....To hell with goons tbh .... Anyway this war is far from over, summer is long and will see who's will to win remains until then it's all speculation. Because it's futile to extrapolate from current performance and trends amirite? So yeah it's speculation, but it isn't exactly blindly flipping a coin either. Show nested quote +Ninja Edit: I do see somebody complaining about how many numbers Kenzoku/-A- brought into 49 when it was taken...To tell you the truth the NC/Goons are to blame for this.For quite a long time the NC and Goonswarm used their numerical advantage to swamp their opponents this used to mean 500-700 people but these days they can bring well over 1500+ people..The only difference now is that there is another set of entities who can match their numbers (aka blob)... BoB was famous for this back in the day. Having so many ships in system the node would crash, and thanks to BoB's geographical proximity to the server they'd get back in first and pick off the other side as they managed to connect one by one. It's pretty useless to argue about who started blobs.
BoB never ever started the blobbing until the servers got upgraded and it became a requirement to keep up.
The very reason BoB was so notorious was because they would routinely be outnumbered 2:1 or 3:1 and still somehow come out of a battle FAR ahead... like 4:1 battleship KB ratio. You used to be able to take 50-70 BS pilots and fight a blob of 200 and still have a chance of winning with superior tactics and smart warp ins.
This is no longer the case, as far as alliance were BoB was never a big one. The changing metagame meant they had to recruit a lot of bad pilots and this is what came out of it.
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motbob
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On May 03 2009 03:10 Jayme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2009 15:00 MamiyaOtaru wrote:GS steals 3 Titans from Atlas? hahaha On May 02 2009 09:50 BeJe77 wrote:Wow, I didn't think there were so many goon sympathizers here.....To hell with goons tbh .... Anyway this war is far from over, summer is long and will see who's will to win remains until then it's all speculation. Because it's futile to extrapolate from current performance and trends amirite? So yeah it's speculation, but it isn't exactly blindly flipping a coin either. Ninja Edit: I do see somebody complaining about how many numbers Kenzoku/-A- brought into 49 when it was taken...To tell you the truth the NC/Goons are to blame for this.For quite a long time the NC and Goonswarm used their numerical advantage to swamp their opponents this used to mean 500-700 people but these days they can bring well over 1500+ people..The only difference now is that there is another set of entities who can match their numbers (aka blob)... BoB was famous for this back in the day. Having so many ships in system the node would crash, and thanks to BoB's geographical proximity to the server they'd get back in first and pick off the other side as they managed to connect one by one. It's pretty useless to argue about who started blobs. BoB never ever started the blobbing until the servers got upgraded and it became a requirement to keep up. The very reason BoB was so notorious was because they would routinely be outnumbered 2:1 or 3:1 and still somehow come out of a battle FAR ahead... like 4:1 battleship KB ratio. You used to be able to take 50-70 BS pilots and fight a blob of 200 and still have a chance of winning with superior tactics and smart warp ins. This is no longer the case, as far as alliance were BoB was never a big one. The changing metagame meant they had to recruit a lot of bad pilots and this is what came out of it.
This is a myth. "Smart warp ins" can only get you so far. At some point, fleet fights are all about shooting the primary called by the FC. I refuse to believe that BoB was somehow better at that than anyone else.
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Who are these people that bob would fight outnumbered and end up with a 4:1 K/D ratio? ASCN? Yes, the pinnacle of pvp prowess and Goons were still new at this time messing around in syndicate.
When bob would face competent opponents they were no where near as invincible. All you have to do is look at CELES and Outbreak.
I'm not sure if it was this thread or another but I'll just reiterate what made bob great:
1) forum foo (goons took over this title)
2) industry (not so much anymore heh)
3) discipline
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This has been 66 amazing pages of read for me, thanks. I'm actually playing EVE now because of all these threads and I love it so far.
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On May 03 2009 03:22 motbob wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2009 03:10 Jayme wrote:On May 02 2009 15:00 MamiyaOtaru wrote:GS steals 3 Titans from Atlas? hahaha On May 02 2009 09:50 BeJe77 wrote:Wow, I didn't think there were so many goon sympathizers here.....To hell with goons tbh .... Anyway this war is far from over, summer is long and will see who's will to win remains until then it's all speculation. Because it's futile to extrapolate from current performance and trends amirite? So yeah it's speculation, but it isn't exactly blindly flipping a coin either. Ninja Edit: I do see somebody complaining about how many numbers Kenzoku/-A- brought into 49 when it was taken...To tell you the truth the NC/Goons are to blame for this.For quite a long time the NC and Goonswarm used their numerical advantage to swamp their opponents this used to mean 500-700 people but these days they can bring well over 1500+ people..The only difference now is that there is another set of entities who can match their numbers (aka blob)... BoB was famous for this back in the day. Having so many ships in system the node would crash, and thanks to BoB's geographical proximity to the server they'd get back in first and pick off the other side as they managed to connect one by one. It's pretty useless to argue about who started blobs. BoB never ever started the blobbing until the servers got upgraded and it became a requirement to keep up. The very reason BoB was so notorious was because they would routinely be outnumbered 2:1 or 3:1 and still somehow come out of a battle FAR ahead... like 4:1 battleship KB ratio. You used to be able to take 50-70 BS pilots and fight a blob of 200 and still have a chance of winning with superior tactics and smart warp ins. This is no longer the case, as far as alliance were BoB was never a big one. The changing metagame meant they had to recruit a lot of bad pilots and this is what came out of it. This is a myth. "Smart warp ins" can only get you so far. At some point, fleet fights are all about shooting the primary called by the FC. I refuse to believe that BoB was somehow better at that than anyone else.
It is not a myth and you would KNOW this if you had played back then.
You can refuse to believe it all you want but it is plain fact that BoB had the more talented FC's out there for a grand majority of the game. Is it true now? No it's not... but back then and especially during fountain alliance days (they weren't known as BoB back then) Molle Tholarim and about 3 ATUK FC's were the best the game had to offer, by a LARGE margin.
Before the days of lame super caps you would actually synchronize your fleets optimal ranges so that if you warped in properly you would absolutely decimate the opposing force no matter how outnumbered you are... through better maneuvering I believe that is.
I've played this game nearly since inception and i'm fully aware of what constitutes a myth and that is not one of them. At least it wasn't before titans owned the field.
FCing is not an easy job. There is a great deal more to it than just calling out a name and shooting at it. If there is anything you should refuse to believe it's that BoB was constantly outnumbered and still would win. Flukes don't work 95% of the time.
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Great work Jayme,
finally somebody who freaking remembers the history and has played then and not read all the propaganda that has been spewed and all the warped facts over the years....
BoB has and always was the cream of the crop, all the best pilots went to Bob because they were so good and kept producing results...The only time they went downhill was when the servers got upgraded and they now actually needed numbers like rest of EvE to try and compete and got flooded with crap load of bad pilots. Hence why everyone is saying, like myself, that them losing their space was the best thing that happened to them....They are shedding all the bad apples who were there just for the free ride...
-BeJ
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On May 04 2009 00:51 BeJe77 wrote:
BoB has and always was the cream of the crop, all the best pilots went to Bob because they were so good...
And you wonder why ppl here side with the Goons?
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On May 04 2009 00:55 Monsen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2009 00:51 BeJe77 wrote:
BoB has and always was the cream of the crop, all the best pilots went to Bob because they were so good...
And you wonder why ppl here side with the Goons?
It's exactly the same in WoW. Experienced players often assume that new players will always be worse than them... that they are something special because they played 12 hours a day when the game came out.
Eventually the new players learn the game and many turn out to be better.
Goonswarm has proven they have much better leadership, information gathering and tactics than KenZoku. Right now... that is the case.
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I was refering to the displayed arrogance. I'm not in the position to judge the quality of any alliance mentioned in this thread.
However the "cream of the crop" got their home taken away by the "inferior" goons. Everyone loves stuff like that.
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There is a big difference between "taking away" their home and being "given their home on a silver platter".
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That's quite an absurd comparison Klive5ive..It's not like that just in WoW it's like that in every game even Starcraft..
How you choose to bring people into your circle of play is up to you..You can be like Goonswarm to accept anyone into their circle or you can be like BoB/-A-/Triumvirate and many other alliances who only accept people who know what they are doing....
It's like this in starcraft to, if you want a good clan/team you don't recruit just anyone, you try to get the best people you can to dominate the other teams/clans....
Over the years the skill gap between BoB and all the other people in eve has closed, but BoB still remained top dog..
During the first round when 80% of EvE 0.0 attacked them, they were driven back to just Delve and they were able to fend everyone off...Now fast forward to a year or so later and what do we have? We have a disgruntled member who disbanded them and they lost all the advantages a defending alliance has....
NC/Goons didn't take their home away, they were given it on a silver platter.
-BeJ
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On May 04 2009 01:51 BeJe77 wrote:
There is a big difference between "taking away" their home and being "given their home on a silver platter".
Ninja Edit:
That's quite an absurd comparison Klive5ive..It's not like that just in WoW it's like that in every game even Starcraft..
How you choose to bring people into your circle of play is up to you..You can be like Goonswarm to accept anyone into their circle or you can be like BoB/-A-/Triumvirate and many other alliances who only accept people who know what they are doing....
It's like this in starcraft to, if you want a good clan/team you don't recruit just anyone, you try to get the best people you can to dominate the other teams/clans....
Over the years the skill gap between BoB and all the other people in eve has closed, but BoB still remained top dog..
During the first round when 80% of EvE 0.0 attacked them, they were driven back to just Delve and they were able to fend everyone off...Now fast forward to a year or so later and what do we have? We have a disgruntled member who disbanded them and they lost all the advantages a defending alliance has....
NC/Goons didn't take their home away, they were given it on a silver platter.
-BeJ
Having BoBs delve space turned to 0 sov sure helped too.
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How that matters in any way to the point that ppl like to see arrogant bullies fall on their faces is beyond me-
I'm sure your justifications make sense to someone more intelligent than me.
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Raliz, exactly, no jammers, titan bridges, basically all advantages lost...Not very fair to me, since even when BoB attacked all other entities they had the very same advantages. ...
@Monsen, I don't know if it's bullying to tell you the truth. Every entity has a goal, for instance in starcraft team/clans their goal is to be the best or be in the top teams of Starcraft..
In EvE BoB's initial goal was to conquer all of 0.0 space, i.e. try to control everything but they failed.... I don't think it's bullying it's just a goal they had, like every other entity has.
Bullying is where you don't fight to win but just fight to humiliate the opponent, BoB fought to win not to bully.
Also, when a really good team/clan in Starcraft beats a weak/poor one, do you call that bullying? lol
-BeJ
P.S. I do apologize but its not my intention to be an ass toward anyone. I am just trying to put in my perspective over the many years of playing EvE without all the propaganda that has been spewed in and facts twisted...If I have offended somebody sorry it was not my intention .
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No matter how much a dick they(BoB) are to people I kinda see Goons as just being very lucky that BoB caught a lot of bad luck.
Likewise, Im kinda glad it happened in a way only because if CCP employees really did give them advantages it's karma in the rudest sense.
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