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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
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brambolius
Netherlands448 Posts
On January 21 2009 19:13 PH wrote: With the way RTS games are being made nowadays, it'd be safe to argue that balance IS an innovation... -_____-;; lol. WINNER LOL | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17733 Posts
On January 21 2009 17:14 NeonFlare wrote: Downloading, balance will probably be wacky in beta, so time to go hunt all those OP builds. I'm not sure if you're gonna have ANY builds there. What I've heared about DoWII so far is that you don't have a base at all. And I don't really understand some of you, DoW was quite awesome game (up until SoulStorm which sucks balls real hard). | ||
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Tonkerchen
680 Posts
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
On January 21 2009 21:37 Manit0u wrote: I'm not sure if you're gonna have ANY builds there. What I've heared about DoWII so far is that you don't have a base at all. And I don't really understand some of you, DoW was quite awesome game (up until SoulStorm which sucks balls real hard). What you talking about? SoulStorm is by far the most balanced, the previous versions were horrible. Edit: I don't know myself how balanced SS is, I've only heard it is and having played it for a short while it seems much better.....but Dark Crusade was hideous in terms of balance. | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
From what I played, it seemed like things were kind of approaching a point where things could be considered mostly balanced after Winter Assault, and then it's like "Surprise expansion!" and not too long after that "Hey, let's throw yet another one in to milk the franchise just a bit more before DoW2!" Of course I'm saying that as someone who has never played Dark Crusade and Soul Storm. | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
Although they added DE and SoB they aren't anything new. The difference between 7 and 9 is not a lot. I played Dark Crusade a lot and space marines and tau were hideously overpowered. Then I've played the DE, Tau and space marines campaigns since I bought SS and it seems better. Space marines are certainly more balanced. | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
If Soul Storm is indeed more balanced, it's probably a product of the fact that they've had another 2 years to balance the game since their last patch. Of course it's easy to say at the end of the tunnel "Soul Storm is more balanced than Dark Crusade," but looking at the patch history it took nearly a year before Dark Crusade had even one patch (and apparently, that was on the only one). Soul Storm has had two in the same amount of time. To me that says they neglected Dark Crusade because they knew Soul Storm was in the pipeline. | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
On January 21 2009 23:23 zer0das wrote: The difference between 7 and 9 is quite a lot. If you have one imbalance between each race it goes from 21 imbalances to 36. That's nearly double. If Soul Storm is indeed more balanced, it's probably a product of the fact that they've had another 2 years to balance the game since their last patch. Of course it's easy to say at the end of the tunnel "Soul Storm is more balanced than Dark Crusade," but looking at the patch history it took nearly a year before Dark Crusade had even one patch (and apparently, that was on the only one). Soul Storm has had two in the same amount of time. To me that says they neglected Dark Crusade because they knew Soul Storm was in the pipeline. IDD with the second part of what you said.... But the 7 to 9 thing is nonsense because DoW just doesn't work in that way. There aren't major differences between the races like there are in SC... because you have very limited macro/micro choices it's more obvious where imbalance lies. If a basic squad... Space marines... cost the same but is all round better than another same tech squad then it's clear they are too strong. Basically what I'm saying is in SS they realised the only way to balance all the races was to make them basically the same! Now space marines are weaker and compare with all the other tier1.5 squads. Edit: please continue to argue, I can continue to make largely uninformed vague replies for at least another 40 minutes ... by which point my DOW2 download will have finished ^^ | ||
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Frits
11782 Posts
On January 21 2009 20:23 Plexa wrote: Heres hoping blizzard swoops in with SC2 and shows the world that graphics =/= great game That and good graphics =/= good art direction. You can make a game that looks great without lots of technological innovations and you can make a technologically great game that looks really bad. That said I still prefer the graphics of starcraft over most new rts games nowadays, it's just so nice and clean. | ||
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rob3dj
39 Posts
On January 21 2009 23:43 Frits wrote: That and good graphics =/= good art direction. this really rings true for sc2, i mean the art direction is terrible but technically the graphics are quite good. | ||
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[-Bluewolf-]
United States609 Posts
But being suited for competition isn't what DoW is about. It doesn't care to be spectator friendly or about things like balance. It is just meant to be a casual fun game that breaks the usual RTS mold - which is why they can get away with squad based combat or long death animations. Basically one shouldn't go in expecting something like SC2, but rather, something much lighter and shallow. In short..... it is the RTS designed for the casual gamer and it does usually succeed at being fun for awhile due to its fresh approach with things SC2 cannot do with its competitive focus. So while SC2 will be better in the long run, the DoW series is still decent in its own right when played non-seriously for fun. | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
Since I have to make an account I may as well use this opportunity to troll the x-box fanboy forums. "Poll: Game of the year Metal gear solid 4 or Wii Music?" etc.... Or post under the Halo section... "why don't you pussys play a real game?! I'd like to take the time to introduce you to less primitive forms of gaming... involving a hand held device that relates 1to1 motion on screen! No longer do you have to use crappy analog sticks... ladies the MOUSE has been invented." http://forums.xbox.com/25362174/ShowPost.aspx http://forums.xbox.com/25362365/ShowPost.aspx#25362365 | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
If you troll people it should be people who deserve it imo, not "x-box gamers". Mm, game looks so pretty, makes me want to play :0 | ||
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Mora
Canada5235 Posts
On January 22 2009 00:12 [-Bluewolf-] wrote: As someone who has played the previous games (2nd WCG USA finals 2006, 2nd GGL SoulStorm ladder) - the original games were never balanced at any point in time. Nor were they ever really close to being balanced - it was always 2-4 races that would be clearly superior to the others. All of the leagues and tournament results in the past would support this (too lazy to find links to the information :p). But being suited for competition isn't what DoW is about. It doesn't care to be spectator friendly or about things like balance. It is just meant to be a casual fun game that breaks the usual RTS mold - which is why they can get away with squad based combat or long death animations. Basically one shouldn't go in expecting something like SC2, but rather, something much lighter and shallow. In short..... it is the RTS designed for the casual gamer and it does usually succeed at being fun for awhile due to its fresh approach with things SC2 cannot do with its competitive focus. So while SC2 will be better in the long run, the DoW series is still decent in its own right when played non-seriously for fun. Was SS better than WA and DoW? I was under the impression that SS patches fixed most of the large issues. While i can agree that it [most likely] not close to being balanced, i thought the consensus opinion from the community was that it was a great step in the right direction. Did you play CoH bluewolf? | ||
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Mora
Canada5235 Posts
On January 21 2009 20:23 Plexa wrote: Heres hoping blizzard swoops in with SC2 and shows the world that graphics =/= great game For someone who usually speaks with some fore-thought, i find this comment very disparaging. I'm crossing my fingers that DoW2 will show as much as CoH did that an RTS can still be a very engaging/enjoyable RTS experience without having to be Starcraft. | ||
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Eury
Sweden1126 Posts
DoW 2 is ok but nothing more than that really. Think I will just stick with Company of Heroes when it comes to Relic games. | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
On January 22 2009 02:06 FrozenArbiter wrote: Klive wtf -.- If you troll people it should be people who deserve it imo, not "x-box gamers". Mm, game looks so pretty, makes me want to play :0 How do they not deserve it? They pay $50 a year for something you get free with Steam. Then they post on their forums about how lame PS3 owners are. All console fanboys are VERY annoying. If I have to sign up for a Microsoft live account I may as well get some fun out of it. | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
It plays oddly like DotA in that it's 3 a side and you basically push one of the 3 lanes to your opponent. You use cover LOADS like in CoH to avoid dieing. Doesn't seem like there's any real depth, for example there's no "buildings" as such. You just get a HQ which gets upgraded in a simple "pay this many resources" way to go tier1 -> tier2 -> tier3 which unlocks more units ALL of which are built at that same building, which of course has 1 rally point. | ||
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Sindri
Australia56 Posts
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