Dawn Of War 2 Beta is out. - Page 14

On February 07 2009 20:00 lololol wrote:
They've done this in CoH, as well. They basically do not test the game for bugs or obvious imbalances at all or they hired a bunch of monkies to do it for them.
Huge balance changes, random new bugs introduced(it looks like someone changes/deletes a few random things in the game files for fun every single patch) and lots of things left unfixed and imbalanced. Seriously, how could they not notice that grenades and stikk bombs weren't dealing the intended damage, all it takes is to throw a grenade once and it's damn obvious plasma nades deal a ton more(while they should be similar), now with the new patch the apothecary doesn't heal infantry(again you just need to use it once to see that and they were doing internal testing for at least a week on that patch). What kind of retarded internal testing misses such things is beyond me.
In soulstorm(the third expansion to DoW) there are still bugs that were introduced in the first expansion and even after the year late "hotfix" and patches, there are still hundreds of bugs left, so how can't the developers fix them, even considering the community supplies them with the full buglist and it takes a day(without any internal tools from the devs) to make a full bugfix mod.
Not to mention that SoB and Necrons are still clearly the worst races, but imbalances aren't unexpected, when you see how pathetic their design is... DoW has 15 armor types, and every weapon has a unique percent damage value for every single armor type and the damage values are 54.6865% damage to one type, 53.9434% to another, i.e. random numbers and similar to about half the armor types. It's pretty obvious to anyone with at least a bit of knowledge about game design that such clusterfuck is completely unnecessary and undesirable. The game actually needs no more than 6 armor types and damage numbers that make sense, instead of what a random number generator generated for them.
Also, I don't know how, but they managed to make the pathing in DoW2 even worse than in DoW, it's pathetic especially for walkers and on top of that sometimes they do not attack at all and in my last game a killacan of mine was pounding on a platform doing no damage at all, after 4-5 "hits" I tried moving it and ordering it to attack again, but it still did absolutely no damage and I had to retreat it. I'm currently securely deleting the beta files.

On February 09 2009 02:29 numberThirtyOne wrote:
I haven't played the game since my pc would barely run it, but as an RTS fan, I've been checking out some VODs and commentaries on youtube. Check out youtube channel VaulSC if you're interested. Anyway, I just thought I'd mention it because from watching his videos, he seems to think the patch is a good thing because requisition is more important and tier 3 is relevant. Again, I haven't played the game, but I thought I'd throw this out there since several here seem to think the patch was an overall step backwards. VaulSC's two most recent videos are post-patch, and he gets some tier 3 out and caps some requisition. He comments that pre-patch, he wouldn't even need to cap any req to win, and games would never get to tier 3.

I have heard him say in previous videos though that overall this game may become repetitive over time and is not as deep as SC. Hopefully it's at least fun enough to be worth buying and playing for a while though.

VaulSC wrote:
Quick update:

This game is currently un-playable due to bugs and balance issues. With so little time left in the beta this is very dissapointing. With less people wanting to play it competitively there is not going to be a lot of quality testing done! Obviously Relic will be fixing the main things in time for release, but what else will be wrong when it does come out?

My gloom has returned.

1. The Apothecary cannot heal units other than himself his troops; he can only heal himself and other commanders.
Rationale for game-breaking status: A healing hero that's unable to heal is simply a useless hero, so picking the Apothecary now automatically puts a player at a massive disadvantage.

2. The Hive Tyrant and Carnifex (and perhaps Warrior, haven't tested) Venom Cannons are hideously overpowering. This is possibly resultant of the fact that they are apparently classified as plasma weapons in the code, meaning they would have inadvertently received the massive buff that real plasma weapons received. Whatever is causing it, it's definitely not intentional.
Rationale for game-breaking status: Honestly, just try the thing. It used to be really good, but now it annihilates entire squads of infantry in seconds and melts any vehicle attempting to oppose its God-like powers in a similar time frame. Nothing can even come close; it's all obliterated in mere moments. This utterly ruins all Tyranid match-ups, even mirrors.

3. The Kommando Booby Trap does 5500 damage to buildings. This has to be a bug, because it's totally inconsistent with the damage values associated with other target types.
Rationale for game-breaking status: An HQ has 10,000 HP now. All it takes is two of these to end a game instantly.

On February 09 2009 06:25 Phyre wrote:

If you read the latest post by Vaul in his thread over at Relicnews he stated he won't be playing the game anymore until they patch the ridiculous bugs that cropped up with the latest patch.


http://forums.relicnews.com/showthread.php?p=3366773#post3366773


http://forums.relicnews.com/showthread.php?t=214365

Guys,

We are certainly aware of your feedback and aren't ignoring it. You need to understand that releasing statements about every temporary in-balance or bug is not a sustainable practice for us.

We've worked really hard to do a balance update while the Beta was ongoing, and yes, we made a few mistakes that we will rectify in our first patch as quickly as we can. This code & data patch will fix a lot of known code bugs, exploits and fix some of the balance issues introduced during the last update (Apoth, Kommando, 3v3 req, etc.).

MP balance is always a work in progress, especially at this stage. We are always actively working to make it better. Consistent, intelligent and informed feedback is always appreciated!

Thanks for participating here on this forum; we know you wouldn't comment and share your thoughts if you didn't care!

Cheers,
Noseworm

New Content

* • Two new Multiplayer maps are being added - one 1v1 and one 3v3

Multiplayer Gameplay

* • Fixed a bug where ability effects were permanent on burrowed units.
* • Fixed several population capacity bugs.
* • Fixed problem with retreating to allied HQ when player’s HQ is destroyed.
* • Fixed attack ground to allow firing into the Fog of War.
* • Prevented Waaagh/Zeal/Biomass/Psychic might “double dipping” when own units are killed by friendly fire, and remove reward for allied friendly fire.
* • Prevented non-attacking commanders from getting a share of XP for incomplete construction.
* • Added cool down timers to construction abilities.
* • Prevented anti-suppression from being modified into the positive.
* • Prevented area of effect suppression originating from target entities inside of buildings from spreading to units outside a building.
* • Increased the suppression and damage on suppression weapons at distant range.
* • Fixed a bug where units that had been completely replaced via reinforcement would lose their control groups.
* • Removed Ravener tunnel impass to prevent several blocking exploits.
* • Requisition resource rates are now reduced depending on game size.
* • Requisition points now increase by +5 requisition every 20 seconds (up from 15), up to a maximum of +30 (down from 35).
* • Fixed an issue with grenades not harming the squad that throws them.
* • Fixed an issue with the Apothecary’s Heal ability that prevented it from properly healing infantry.
* • Reduced damage of Kommando hero’s Remote Bomb against HQ’s.
* • Kommando hero’s Kaboom! now properly deals 500 damage to the Kommando, but does not kill him.
* • Tyranid Warrior Adrenal Gland melee damage reduced to 52, from 60.
* • Reduced firing rate of Hive Tyrant Venom Cannon to match the other versions. Damage reduced to 60, from 85. Area of effect damage modifier reduced at outermost radius to 0.3, from 0.4.
* • Spore Mine blast radius increased to 10, from 8.
* • Increased accuracy of small arms against Ripper Swarm to 0.3, from 0.2.
* • Ripper Swarm cost increased to 240, from 200.

On February 16 2009 05:50 Mora wrote:
how many of you are still playing the beta?

thoughts/comments after spending some more time on it?