Champions League 08/09 Finals - Page 22

On May 07 2009 01:37 Liquid`Drone wrote:
well rules also quite clearly state that if an attacker is robbed of a _clear_ goalscoring opportunity then whomever fouls him should be red carded..

this rule is a little controversial because a red card and a penalty can be ridiculously strict - especially if it happens in the first 20 minutes of a game, but it also needs to be there because otherwise it would always be beneficial to handball a goal about to cross the line, as a penalty is less certain of a goal than a certain goal. I think most referees interpret this as if the attacker is robbed of a goalscoring opportunity as big or bigger than a penalty, then they also give a red card.

On May 07 2009 01:20 TopGear wrote:
The post-match analysis were talking about Arsenal's lack of experience. Sure they have all the talent & ability in the world, but compare it to the team a few years ago with henry, viera, bergkamp etc, we won soooo many more trophies.

Also apparently the red card was ok (Graham Poll says so, so take that as you will). Something about, even if you get a bit of the ball, you cannot go into a tackle when you know that you will bring the other guy down after. Ill give the exact quote later as that doesn't sound right.

But, well played United.. Ronaldo's goals were awesome (esp liked the counter attack goal).

I could have gone to the emirates to see that game too, good job i didnt ha

On May 07 2009 02:06 Liquid`Drone wrote:
yes the point is, that touching the ball only actually helps if you kick the ball sufficiently away from the opposing player that he would lose control of it if you didnt take him down..
if you kick the ball far away from him, and then take down the player, this is allowed. if you barely touch the ball, but dont really kick it away from him, and then take down the player, its a foul.

but like, this whole red card and penalty policy has been up for debate for quite some time. I wouldn't be surprised if something was done to make the rule clearer within the next 5-10 years. different referees also tend to practice different rulesets here, but apparently both head of the english referees and the norwegian referees thinks a red card + penalty was warranted in this case.

On May 07 2009 02:17 Klive5ive wrote:

Oh dear, someone reads the Mail!
Graham Poll thinks it takes 3 yellows to make a red so I wouldn't trust him anyway.

I reckon all this "but he still took the player down" nonsense is just referees defending themselves after the matter. He clearly DIDN'T SEE the touch from Fletcher.
The rules are ambiguous enough that they can make excuses but it can't be a sending off.

Watch this clip. Fabregas is getting no-where near that ball after Fletcher's touch. He goes down very easily as well (I don't blame him for that, everyone does it); which makes it look worse.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVMezahkIQk#t=6m08s

On May 07 2009 02:13 ilj.psa wrote:
GO BARCA

On May 07 2009 03:08 TanGeng wrote:
Have people seen the lineup yet.

Chelsea's got Anelka and Drogba up front.
Barca's got Toure at center back!! Keita and Busquet in the mid-field. It's very interest. Hopefully it's an open game.

On May 07 2009 02:31 LosingID8 wrote:

Watch this clip. Fabregas is getting no-where near that ball after Fletcher's touch. He goes down very easily as well (I don't blame him for that, everyone does it); which makes it look worse.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVMezahkIQk#t=6m08s
perfect view from that video clip. fabregas had zero chance of a shot after fletcher's excellent touch.

On May 07 2009 03:25 zulu_nation8 wrote:
man I don't think Fabregas could've taken a shot

On May 07 2009 03:34 DarkYoDA wrote:


I know it looks like a difficult try. My point is, rules (and rightfully so) shouldn't assume the skill level of a player implicitly, it only matters if he had a goalscoring opportunity. It's really not that difficult because if Fabregas caught up with the ball without falling, he can take a shot at a tight angle within an instant turn (with only Van Der Sar in the way) and shoot (I'm sure we have seen many goals scored this way). That is an opportunity in it's own right. Whether he is likely to score or not base on believes in his skill level to do so isn't even relevant to the decision making process. If they eventually stand by their decision, I'm rather certain this would have been one of the propositions.