Highest rune from a hellforge is Gul. For me, I agree in the fact that duping does give the duper a huge advantage. But I feel that it is necessary to make the higher end items practical and attainable for a more realistic amount of people. In order to "fix" the "market" I think it's worth it to have a small amount of users overpowered. The way I look at it duping in Diablo 2 is a way to make the "economy" realistic, rather than making a good amount of items impossible to get. I know some of you will never agree with me on this but I'm certainly not some hacker whose sole aim is to ruin others' fun and I don't support hacking in any other game that I know of.

my mistake, i was under the impression it was vex (in previous patches, even a zod could drop, but the most ive ever gotten was a gul)

to be honest, i see where you are coming from. imagine the rarity of the runeword botd if zod was not ever duped. it would not exist unless you were extraordinarily lucky or rich (btw, blizzard is against muling so if you find it on your sorc instead of your barb, bad luck according to them.)

however, its hard to make an even balance. on one hand, if you let dupe run rampant, everyone will have characters with perfect griffs / deaths etc, and the game will lose that fun aspect. on the other hand, too little dupe will mean only a fraction of the population on d2 will get any decent runewords at all (and runewords rape uniques).

i am against maphack because it really isnt needed, it just makes things a little slower if you dont use it and doesnt really impact the game that much, but since its a small thing i usually dont care. botting, again i dont know, i love baal runs with bots, and its a service everyone can access (i dont bot at all).

but duping items makes the duper extraordinarly wealthy. imagine duping all those zods and trading for a perfect uber gfg character. the good part, i see now, is that eventually all that wealth is distributed. poor people can now farm pgems to trade for puls, and puls to trade for a vex to make a hoto or wahtever. whilst they can still do that without dupes, hr are so scare no one would trade them away, so the poor people stay runewordless and the rich stay rich.

my cousin and i have started palying on the new ladder season for about a month now, and when we started it was tough grinding out stuff to trade for puls to trade for ums to trade for hrs and whatever, but eventually we got there (and with a little bit of trading luck.) we are by no means gfg at all, we have the standard dueling gear like enigma, grief, hoto etc, but we dont have a perf griff with 5/5 light facet or a 2so 30res 15 dr coa with max ed. but we have a decent enough setup to win duels with a little luck and experience. i think that, if duping did not exist, there would be a handful of exceptionally strong characters that would completely dominate the rest regardless of gear.

i know duping is illegal but i think it is balancing at the same time, and ive kinda been swayed in the last few months on my opinion of duping. i still dont like shit like maphack, far cast, redvex etc. thanks for your post

btw, if you still play d2, are you around on USWest Ladder softcore? maybe we can have a duel or a mf or something fun

Manit0u

Poland17707 Posts

November 15 2008 14:50 GMT

#63

What's wrong with people who have no life and have spent 14743819043895734 times more time playing the game than most of the others being overpowered?
And where's the fun in running the same looking level again and again?
And what's wrong with the economy if there are only a few 'rich' people? We can't all be Bill Gates you know.

I find absolutely nothing to support using any form of hacks in D2, the game is easy enough without them and if you're using them you make its challenge rating drop to 0 basically.

btw. to people who use loaders:
- you don't need any third-party stuff to play D2 without CD, all you have to do is copy your D2/LoD .mpq files, movies etc. from the discs onto your HDD and change the registry so that you set your HDD dir instead of CD dir.

Etherone

United States1898 Posts

November 15 2008 16:25 GMT

#64

Map hack doesn`t ruin the gaming experience, porting to every wrong corner of durance 2 ruins it.

Edit: it didn`t occur to me but some people don`t have nigma or sorcs, so running to any wrong corner would Really ruin the gaming experience.

You can spend forever finding mephisto entrance,(you do get better at it because you naturally start learning the structure of the random maps ( this make any sense to you?) ) and once you do you will probably get a crap drop, since drop rates are BULL in D2, YES even with a crap load of MF, ( which makes it harder to trek through Baal because high MF gear means crap gear and burning souls are unforgiving.) I personally do it ( well did it since i stopped this year.) with a hammerdin. ( the baal runs that is.)

As far as duping ruining the game experience, YES IT DOES. some of us don`t dupe and get non legit items that POOF for our hard earned runes or uniques. Besides only if your a complete nub is it impossible to get great runewords especially since the whole keys and organs patch.( some epics are better then runewords, actually quite a lot of them are.)

gameguard

Korea (South)2132 Posts

November 16 2008 02:31 GMT

#65

friend of mine had a loss acc with 30k loss. it was reset lol. he used chaos like once to try it out

MyStiC_Chaos

United States499 Posts

November 16 2008 20:27 GMT

#66

Play Hardcore Untwinked. It is actually fun and a challenge. What's the point of cheating to be a high level? Maybe that's why you get bored; you don't have to do shit to be a high level.

It's better to play the game how it was meant to be played, legit, untwinked. Maphack is for lazy players. And writer, you said you're pro mh, but you don't like constantly doing Baal runs and MFing? WTF do you use the maphack for then? People use it to do runs and MF.

Play the game legitly and you won't be bored.

Not_Computer

Canada2277 Posts

November 16 2008 21:50 GMT

#67

lol, half a dozen of my f list got their accounts banned for using D2 LOADER !! (they were all accounts with 5-9k+ wins etc., ouch)

edit: NOT CHAOS, I was misinformed.

SkelA

Macedonia13074 Posts

November 16 2008 21:52 GMT

#68

ye i got banned too for using chaos/iccup launcher on euro;;

MasterOfChaos

Germany2896 Posts

November 16 2008 21:52 GMT

#69

Did they use only chaoslauncher or also some other things like the blacklist?

closed

Vatican City State491 Posts

November 18 2008 01:50 GMT

#70

Does anyone know where is the cd-key stored? One of my keys is banned for using d2loader, but I would like to test the second one - unfortunately I dont know how to extract it (I have it somewhere at other home I think). I hope my accounts are ok - only recently (after like 2,5 years of playing) I have gotten every classic unique item in the game (muling with d2loader was so conveninet even on my old computer with 192mb of ram - just alt tab and go..)

On November 15 2008 23:50 Manit0u wrote:
btw. to people who use loaders:
- you don't need any third-party stuff to play D2 without CD, all you have to do is copy your D2/LoD .mpq files, movies etc. from the discs onto your HDD and change the registry so that you set your HDD dir instead of CD dir.

you need a CD/DVD drive to do it; I actually dont have one in my old computer (or rather; the cd rw died...)