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This time it is even bigger than the last. Good to know they're still acting on these things I guess.
StarCraft and Diablo II Battle.net Ban Policy Update
Nebu on November 11th, 2008
As part of our continued effort to ensure a fair and fun online experience for all Battle.net players, we have expanded our efforts to remove cheaters from StarCraft and Diablo II. We have identified and closed over 350,000 StarCraft and Diablo II accounts which were found to be using third-party hacks.
The Diablo II CD keys associated with the closed Diablo II accounts are now restricted from playing on Battle.net for approximately 30 days. Repeat offenders will have their accounts closed and their CD keys permanently banned from Battle.net.
As a reminder, we reserve the right to close the accounts and ban the CD keys of players who are caught cheating on Battle.net. Cheating ruins the game experience for legitimate players, and we will not tolerate it.
Source: http://www.battle.net/
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United States12237 Posts
I just read this. I was looking up the previous ban counts and this dwarfs them all. I think the largest amount was around 60k, and today they ban 350k users... holy cow. I'm betting most of them were D2 Maphack or bot users.
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Most of them are probably D2Loader users. D2Loader is the D2 equivalent of Chaos Launcher, it includes things to load plugins, reduce CPU usage, fix crash bugs in D2s code and make the text more readable in windowed mode. Banning for loader is a big wtf as there are thousands of legit users who will be hurt by it.
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having your acct closed in SC and in D2 are soooooooooooo not equal punishment
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On November 12 2008 10:18 R1CH wrote:
Most of them are probably D2Loader users. D2Loader is the D2 equivalent of Chaos Launcher, it includes things to load plugins, reduce CPU usage, fix crash bugs in D2s code and make the text more readable in windowed mode. Banning for loader is a big wtf as there are thousands of legit users who will be hurt by it.
Yup, I am one of those users. I play legitimately and use D2loader to run multiple instances of D2 on my comp to priv CS. It sucks they did it to D2loader but I guess it's time to go back to starcraft 
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On November 12 2008 10:25 KOFgokuon wrote:
having your acct closed in SC and in D2 are soooooooooooo not equal punishment
qft..
unless it's an IP ban as well.
o well dynamic IP ftw
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On November 12 2008 10:32 PauL_JoneS wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2008 10:18 R1CH wrote:
Most of them are probably D2Loader users. D2Loader is the D2 equivalent of Chaos Launcher, it includes things to load plugins, reduce CPU usage, fix crash bugs in D2s code and make the text more readable in windowed mode. Banning for loader is a big wtf as there are thousands of legit users who will be hurt by it. Yup, I am one of those users. I play legitimately and use D2loader to run multiple instances of D2 on my comp to priv CS. It sucks they did it to D2loader but I guess it's time to go back to starcraft
how beautifully optimistic?
don't see that alot these days
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Good for Blizzard I can't stand hackers, sucks for those legit users though.
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I'm going to go check if mine wasn't banned...
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It's too hard to play D2 without maphack
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Why would they IP ban when they can CD-KEY ban.
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[QUOTE]On November 12 2008 14:05 Murlox wrote:
Why would they IP ban when they can CD-KEY ban.[/QUOTE
Keyban is only for the Key with IP they could ban you from D2, BW and WC3
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On November 12 2008 10:32 PauL_JoneS wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2008 10:18 R1CH wrote:
Most of them are probably D2Loader users. D2Loader is the D2 equivalent of Chaos Launcher, it includes things to load plugins, reduce CPU usage, fix crash bugs in D2s code and make the text more readable in windowed mode. Banning for loader is a big wtf as there are thousands of legit users who will be hurt by it. Yup, I am one of those users. I play legitimately and use D2loader to run multiple instances of D2 on my comp to priv CS. It sucks they did it to D2loader but I guess it's time to go back to starcraft
wow that sucks for a legit player like you.
multiple instances was the best part in mule, self rush and multiple anni farming.
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200k of those accounts are probli item shops lol
edit-------- also on the d2loader debate
There are soo many different plugins for loader.
So why should blizzard put in the effort to detect and ban the dozens of different d2loader plugins out there when they could just ban the whole thing.
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thank god, hacking on WC3 is so bad right now
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On November 12 2008 10:18 R1CH wrote:
Most of them are probably D2Loader users. D2Loader is the D2 equivalent of Chaos Launcher, it includes things to load plugins, reduce CPU usage, fix crash bugs in D2s code and make the text more readable in windowed mode. Banning for loader is a big wtf as there are thousands of legit users who will be hurt by it.
Do you know this for sure? I remember when the last patch hit the versions of D2L that came later were pretty hacked together, but I guess it doesn't really matter if warden is as intrusive as they say it is.
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So ... chaoslauncher = ban? yes? no?
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yeah??!! they will ban me for using chaoslauncher latency changer now? wtf?
fast , teach me how to completely delete it from my system!!!
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I dunno about starcraft bans but a lot of the "cheats" in Diablo II are really justified.
Not using a maphack is just simply moronic and insane because having a different map every game is just ridiculous. Maphack doesn't take away gameplay or make it unfair for users (to an extent), it just saves people a lot of time and, IMHO, is essential.
Then there's D2loader which was mentioned above, and dupes. Dupes, I feel, are an essential part of D2's economy. Instead of making everything really easy to get it actually makes everything POSSIBLE to get. The higher runes (Jah and Ber in particular) have like a one-millionth chance of dropping and are used in so many runewords. Only with dupes is it actually possible for a realistic number of people to get these runes and make Enigma, infinity, etc.
Of course you have to draw the line somewhere (tppk, auto-aim, that program that alters your breakpoints whose name i can't remember) but D2 is just so ridiculous in many ways.
/rant
I used to play it a lot but now I kind of hate it with a passion.
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Nah. Maphack is definitely not justied. It's not part of the original game and unlike you said, *will* give an advantage to those who use it. Less time to find+kill bosses = More items than other players have with the same amount of playing.
Dupes aren't essential in any way either, it's more like they *ruin* the economy. If everyone used legitly obtained items, there'd be much more usable and realistically tradable gear and having those epic runewords would actually mean something. I don't think anyone cares if someone has an Enigma nowadays because it's 99% certainly not legit. Yes, rune drops are too rare but hacking isn't a solution. The only alternatives are Blizz increasing the droprates via a patch (which isn't happening I'm pretty sure), or just living with the best items you can get your hands on, which sounds more like how the game was meant to be played in the first place.
Always good to hear about hackers getting caught/quitting/getting annoyed. Small steps towards better D2...
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Germany / USA16648 Posts
Wow, writer22816, you're retarded -.-
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Vatican City State491 Posts
I just logged onto one of my accounts using d2loader - it still works and wasnt closed.
Im not sure if the loader can be still used or not - Im scared of running two instances of diablo now, just to test. Apart from the loader to self-mule/self-BO/enchant, I havent used any hacks (well, technically Im using a no-cd version of diablo, because in the past I lost the cds).
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Germany2896 Posts
Some questions for those who got their account closed:
Did you use any other programs interfering with SC?
Did you use the same Acc in Diablo2?
Which plugins for Chaoslauncher did you use?
Zynastor posted a list of offsets which sc warden supposedly checks, but no bwl plugin I know of changes any of these offsets. So I don't know if/how you get banned for Chaoslauncher.
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I checked a few hackers I've encountered on europe and none were reset. Have anyone found out a sc acc that got reset at all?
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Oh wow, my d2 cd key was disabled. I guess that's what I get for letting my friend borrow it....silly hacker.
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On November 12 2008 19:39 writer22816 wrote:
I dunno about starcraft bans but a lot of the "cheats" in Diablo II are really justified.
Not using a maphack is just simply moronic and insane because having a different map every game is just ridiculous. Maphack doesn't take away gameplay or make it unfair for users (to an extent), it just saves people a lot of time and, IMHO, is essential.
Then there's D2loader which was mentioned above, and dupes. Dupes, I feel, are an essential part of D2's economy. Instead of making everything really easy to get it actually makes everything POSSIBLE to get. The higher runes (Jah and Ber in particular) have like a one-millionth chance of dropping and are used in so many runewords. Only with dupes is it actually possible for a realistic number of people to get these runes and make Enigma, infinity, etc.
Of course you have to draw the line somewhere (tppk, auto-aim, that program that alters your breakpoints whose name i can't remember) but D2 is just so ridiculous in many ways.
/rant
I used to play it a lot but now I kind of hate it with a passion.
WTF?Cube your runes the way it should be.
btw, there is pattern how the "random" maps are created and you can be nearly as fast without mh as with it. i mean why do play D2 at all? mh+duping makes it beyond stupid.
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On November 12 2008 19:39 writer22816 wrote:
Only with dupes is it actually possible for a realistic number of people to get these runes and make Enigma, infinity, etc.
My little broher got owned by duped enigma. He never played D2 again...
He almost cryed, getting 3 high runes(?) and then getting fooled by dome dickhead.
Hopefully he was baned.
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Oh god
I swear to god seeing people justify their fucking shitty hacks and lack of skill by saying "the game is too hard!!" makes me rage like no other.
Fuck you for ruining an online community. I used to play WHCL/EHCL with people from diabloii.net but eventually people just gave up and moved on because the hacks are so widespread. Even in our ruled-with-an-iron-fist private channel people used maphacks and auto-tp. From people who maphack to people who baalbot, you're all the same shit to me. -____-
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hahaha
diabloii.net used to be my most visited site :D
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On November 12 2008 19:39 writer22816 wrote:
I dunno about starcraft bans but a lot of the "cheats" in Diablo II are really justified.
Not using a maphack is just simply moronic and insane because having a different map every game is just ridiculous. Maphack doesn't take away gameplay or make it unfair for users (to an extent), it just saves people a lot of time and, IMHO, is essential.
Then there's D2loader which was mentioned above, and dupes. Dupes, I feel, are an essential part of D2's economy. Instead of making everything really easy to get it actually makes everything POSSIBLE to get. The higher runes (Jah and Ber in particular) have like a one-millionth chance of dropping and are used in so many runewords. Only with dupes is it actually possible for a realistic number of people to get these runes and make Enigma, infinity, etc.
Of course you have to draw the line somewhere (tppk, auto-aim, that program that alters your breakpoints whose name i can't remember) but D2 is just so ridiculous in many ways.
/rant
I used to play it a lot but now I kind of hate it with a passion.
I hope you are talking about D2 maphacks, not SC.
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On November 12 2008 10:56 pdk001 wrote:
It's too hard to play D2 without maphack
I agree, it's also too hard to play SC without MH for some people so I guess they should get off scot free!
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Well not only did virtually noone get banned. Today I played a maphacker again. I guess they had to be on att some time when they sweeped or something. And it seems like a short sweep.
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Well, I got banned from using mules ages ago and I actually email them and they say it is not a legit way of playing. OK, some of them are really bad, like a whole account with char that only has rune to like staff opener (1.09 where you can open the hole of Act2 boss if you just use that char to create game.
I would say that even the game tester at blizzard won't be able to get their char to lvl 99 without MH and playing completely legit. Obviously they will have to play over the internet so they can experience spike and hardcore or it is just piss easy. I can understand if they ban autorun-bot or pickup script or chicken, as that is really cheating but MH? I saw post above saying that you can go through map as quick even without MH..... but the truth is, any tele-sor will tell you that it is completely idiotic to go without a MH, you will probably die before lvl95. Of course, you can always go in a group, but the chance of a spike and shit happens is still pretty fucking high.
and yea, just to point out further, any char rush is not legit according to blizzard.
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Gosh those people saying you need maphack is like, I need MBS with brood war....
oh gosh, I just found the answer....
Ah well no ranting from me, but as it seems like, if the game is too difficult for you and you need some "legitimate" hack like maphack or dupehack or whatever, to make the game easy, why don't you go outside and play hide-and-go-FUCK yourself?
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United States17042 Posts
Go learn to play the game without the hacking. you'de be surprised by how much harder it make the game (at least for sc).
D2 just didn't draw me in the same way, so i don't know how hard/easy the game is without/with hacks.
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I have never used a maphack, I guess you just suck writer22816. If you hack you certainly deserve to get banned, plenty of warning.
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Oh wow people can read my mind!
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On November 13 2008 05:44 waterGHOSTCLAWdragon wrote:
Go learn to play the game without the hacking. you'de be surprised by how much harder it make the game (at least for sc).
D2 just didn't draw me in the same way, so i don't know how hard/easy the game is without/with hacks.
D2 isn't even a hard game, all of the shit that people are going gaga for are just fluff and all it does just saves time.
On November 13 2008 02:29 aqui wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2008 19:39 writer22816 wrote:
I dunno about starcraft bans but a lot of the "cheats" in Diablo II are really justified.
Not using a maphack is just simply moronic and insane because having a different map every game is just ridiculous. Maphack doesn't take away gameplay or make it unfair for users (to an extent), it just saves people a lot of time and, IMHO, is essential.
Then there's D2loader which was mentioned above, and dupes. Dupes, I feel, are an essential part of D2's economy. Instead of making everything really easy to get it actually makes everything POSSIBLE to get. The higher runes (Jah and Ber in particular) have like a one-millionth chance of dropping and are used in so many runewords. Only with dupes is it actually possible for a realistic number of people to get these runes and make Enigma, infinity, etc.
Of course you have to draw the line somewhere (tppk, auto-aim, that program that alters your breakpoints whose name i can't remember) but D2 is just so ridiculous in many ways.
/rant
I used to play it a lot but now I kind of hate it with a passion. WTF?Cube your runes the way it should be. btw, there is pattern how the "random" maps are created and you can be nearly as fast without mh as with it. i mean why do play D2 at all? mh+duping makes it beyond stupid.
Agreed, however these random maps aren't really random. It's just randomly picked from a pool of about 10-15 level maps. I farmed Meph and Andy enough to realize this 
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United States12237 Posts
Certain levels, like endboss stages (Catacombs Lv4, Durance of Hate Lv3, Tal Rasha's Chamber, Chaos Sanctuary, Worldstone Chamber) among others, are not random. Others use a randomized segmenting technology called DRLG (dynamic random level generation, created by Dave Brevik) which constructs levels by linking prefabricated pieces together. As you become more and more familiar with the game, you start to recognize the size and dimensions of each individual piece. For example, one piece may have a path that snakes like an S, one may have two rivers meeting each other forming a peninsula, and one may have two bridges across from one another. If you're familiar with the various pieces then it makes it a lot easier to navigate through certain levels, particularly large ones like Durance Lv2, because you start to recognize which pieces are always dead-ends. I had a lot of fun discussing DRLG with some of the Flagship team back when I was working with them on Hellgate (where they incorporate the same technology but in three dimensions).
Now, if you believe that maphack is a mandatory tool, you're a fool. It's a convenience, and players would be wise to not confuse the two. It simplifies the game by removing the thrill of exploration, and it is certainly possible to level to 99 without it (I have).
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the thing is that you have gotten to 99 doesn't mean shit, unless you solo the whole game or can prove that other people that played with you also didn't use any.
But still, a lot of respect if you have done. I certainly would never spend so much time to reach 99, consider the amount of money I can make at 90 (I think I sold mine at max nearly $200)
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United States12237 Posts
On November 13 2008 06:55 white_box921 wrote:
the thing is that you have gotten to 99 doesn't mean shit, unless you solo the whole game or can prove that other people that played with you also didn't use any.
But still, a lot of respect if you have done. I certainly would never spend so much time to reach 99, consider the amount of money I can make at 90 (I think I sold mine at max nearly $200)
Solo'd all the way to 99. I played Single Player.
I also got to 93 playing with only a close group of friends. I don't play pub games.
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"Blizzard bans Battle.net…"
Its about time... bring some 3rd party servers yeahh!
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single player as in real single player? or just b.net and you private it? because the difference is sooooooo fucking huge
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United States12237 Posts
On November 13 2008 07:11 white_box921 wrote:
single player as in real single player? or just b.net and you private it? because the difference is sooooooo fucking huge
Single player for the former, B.net for the latter. It doesn't make a big difference at all, because the only difference is you can exit the game more easily offline. Leveling is all about making informed decisions. If you're playing Hardcore or really putting a focus on leveling, maybe you want to stay away from games which spawn Undead Stygian Dolls or Willowisps. It's all about playing smart and anticipating all the possible scenarios.
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well I think he's saying that if you played single player but not in player 8 mode or whatever that would take soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo long
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On November 12 2008 19:39 writer22816 wrote:
I dunno about starcraft bans but a lot of the "cheats" in Diablo II are really justified.
Not using a maphack is just simply moronic and insane because having a different map every game is just ridiculous. Maphack doesn't take away gameplay or make it unfair for users (to an extent), it just saves people a lot of time and, IMHO, is essential.
Then there's D2loader which was mentioned above, and dupes. Dupes, I feel, are an essential part of D2's economy. Instead of making everything really easy to get it actually makes everything POSSIBLE to get. The higher runes (Jah and Ber in particular) have like a one-millionth chance of dropping and are used in so many runewords. Only with dupes is it actually possible for a realistic number of people to get these runes and make Enigma, infinity, etc.
Of course you have to draw the line somewhere (tppk, auto-aim, that program that alters your breakpoints whose name i can't remember) but D2 is just so ridiculous in many ways.
/rant
I used to play it a lot but now I kind of hate it with a passion.
Sorry to say buddy, but I disagree 100%.
D2 is not a game to make MONEY on. Its for fun, not super competitive play where you just want to bot run the same area 100 times or dupe items. TPPK, and all those other things are just as unacceptable. The game isn't super friendly to competitive players, because quite frankly, many many people hate playing in that kind of environment. If you're gonna hack, go play LAN or single-player, even private games with friends you probably will not have a big issue.
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this is a ploy to get people to buy SC2....
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On November 13 2008 09:39 MorningMusume11 wrote:
this is a ploy to get people to buy SC2....
I like how you think..
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On November 13 2008 10:30 SirNeb wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2008 09:39 MorningMusume11 wrote:
this is a ploy to get people to buy SC2.... I like how you think..
i dont, he thinks like an EA-lead-producer-like/Sigarty-like
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It seems my opinion is really not what a lot of people think, so I'll try to explain more behind my thinking. For those of you who are wondering, I'm not pro-mbs and I definitely don't hack on BW. I've actually played a lot without dupes and cubing my runes up bit by bit. (128 ists make a Jah >_<)
Let's face it, diablo 2 is essentially a skill-less game. True you can do some shit like beating the game hardcore untwinked with no gear and stats by yourself on /players8 or whatever but whether or not you find that fun is your opinion (I certainly don't, I find it too depedent on luck and how many lightning enchanted conviction aura burning souls you encounter). Then again there's the pvp builds that require skill (barbs and assassins come to mind) but most of the game is about how much time you care to invest. I didn't like the game in this respect and I certainly didn't feel like investing a lot of time into it. The way I saw it Diablo 2 was a boring chore (just like a whole bunch of MMO's) about constantly doing baal runs, magic finds and trading just to get some gear. I did not find the game fun doing that. That is why I'm pro-mh/dupe in diablo 2. For me it doesn't break the game or the competition (there basically is none) but just saves me a lot of time and makes it possible to try everything in-game.
Obviously starcraft is a totally different thing, it's very skill-intensive and competition (which D2 mostly lacks) makes the game fun. Would i hack on this game? Absolutely not, it gives you a ridiculous advantage and destroys competition. Am I pro-mbs? No, I feel that it eliminates macro.
Maybe you like diablo a lot but i felt it was basically doing the same stuff over and over again...
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Have you ever played d2 untwinked?
It's actually pretty difficult to finish the game on hell.
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a guy i knew got all 5 accounts banned, but he was using a combination of mh, d2loader and redvex. a few other guys got banned for mhing too, but i was fine. no ban for me. theres still bots spamming in public games and doing baal runs though
i dont think d2 is a skill-less game, not as skilled as starcraft obviously, but it takes a certain kind of experience and skill when you are pvping people. alot of luck too. also, you dont think duping is bad for diablo? duping items gives the duping person the advantage, whereas the person not duping doesnt have 10512512512 ber runes. you can argue that both people can dupe, fine, but both people can maphack in starcraft too and that would make it fair, right?
there is still some d2 clan wars going on and some scenes that do not support foul play like botting, duping, hacking etc. i dont maphack and i can do key runs/meph runs fine, its of course slower but its fair and i wont risk getting banned
the only d2 thing ill bitch about is the bullshit realm down / restricted crap. that shit really pisses me off, and the majority of real botters get away free.
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also, hrs are not that hard to get. its hard to make them drop, but with a little luck you can drop a hr from a hellforge (vex), or get a decent rune like an ist or gul and simply cube them into Hrs. i dont think the rareness of a rune justifies cheating to get it
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On November 14 2008 18:44 JohnColtrane wrote:
a guy i knew got all 5 accounts banned, but he was using a combination of mh, d2loader and redvex. a few other guys got banned for mhing too, but i was fine. no ban for me. theres still bots spamming in public games and doing baal runs though
i dont think d2 is a skill-less game, not as skilled as starcraft obviously, but it takes a certain kind of experience and skill when you are pvping people. alot of luck too. also, you dont think duping is bad for diablo? duping items gives the duping person the advantage, whereas the person not duping doesnt have 10512512512 ber runes. you can argue that both people can dupe, fine, but both people can maphack in starcraft too and that would make it fair, right?
there is still some d2 clan wars going on and some scenes that do not support foul play like botting, duping, hacking etc. i dont maphack and i can do key runs/meph runs fine, its of course slower but its fair and i wont risk getting banned
the only d2 thing ill bitch about is the bullshit realm down / restricted crap. that shit really pisses me off, and the majority of real botters get away free.
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also, hrs are not that hard to get. its hard to make them drop, but with a little luck you can drop a hr from a hellforge (vex), or get a decent rune like an ist or gul and simply cube them into Hrs. i dont think the rareness of a rune justifies cheating to get it
Highest rune from a hellforge is Gul. For me, I agree in the fact that duping does give the duper a huge advantage. But I feel that it is necessary to make the higher end items practical and attainable for a more realistic amount of people. In order to "fix" the "market" I think it's worth it to have a small amount of users overpowered. The way I look at it duping in Diablo 2 is a way to make the "economy" realistic, rather than making a good amount of items impossible to get. I know some of you will never agree with me on this but I'm certainly not some hacker whose sole aim is to ruin others' fun and I don't support hacking in any other game that I know of.
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I beat the game on Hell single-player with a lvl 85 barb, it's not that hard but it does take a lot of time. I've never used any cheats or mods, and i must say i wonder what the point of all those high-level runewords is, since chances are virtually zero you'll ever get a rune from the last 11. I never did, at least, although the stormshield dropped for me^^. I'm against mh and duping/muling w/e but it should still be possible to get the best items legit for a number of people, even in sp.
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d2 maphack is fine i dunno what you guys are whining about. I guess if you were in a race on the ladder to get #1 you could have a valid complaint, but other than that its retarded.
Its not a competitive game
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what's wrong with muling? esp if you just get a friend to help you
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I don't think they really care...they're just trying to cut numbers down on the D2/SC servers because they're not bringing in money..."banning cheaters" is the perfect guise for executing their financial plan.
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why dont they realize there banning the wrong kind of people?
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On November 14 2008 18:07 writer22816 wrote:
It seems my opinion is really not what a lot of people think, so I'll try to explain more behind my thinking. For those of you who are wondering, I'm not pro-mbs and I definitely don't hack on BW. I've actually played a lot without dupes and cubing my runes up bit by bit. (128 ists make a Jah >_<)
Let's face it, diablo 2 is essentially a skill-less game. True you can do some shit like beating the game hardcore untwinked with no gear and stats by yourself on /players8 or whatever but whether or not you find that fun is your opinion (I certainly don't, I find it too depedent on luck and how many lightning enchanted conviction aura burning souls you encounter). Then again there's the pvp builds that require skill (barbs and assassins come to mind) but most of the game is about how much time you care to invest. I didn't like the game in this respect and I certainly didn't feel like investing a lot of time into it. The way I saw it Diablo 2 was a boring chore (just like a whole bunch of MMO's) about constantly doing baal runs, magic finds and trading just to get some gear. I did not find the game fun doing that. That is why I'm pro-mh/dupe in diablo 2. For me it doesn't break the game or the competition (there basically is none) but just saves me a lot of time and makes it possible to try everything in-game.
Obviously starcraft is a totally different thing, it's very skill-intensive and competition (which D2 mostly lacks) makes the game fun. Would i hack on this game? Absolutely not, it gives you a ridiculous advantage and destroys competition. Am I pro-mbs? No, I feel that it eliminates macro.
Maybe you like diablo a lot but i felt it was basically doing the same stuff over and over again...
Have you ever heard the phrase "life is not about getting to the destination, its about the journey" same thing applies to games. If you cheat all the way to the end what kind of challenge is that?
If you don't like the game, then you don't like the game. Don't hack it to enjoy it.. Find a new game.
And I know what Excal is talking about, Back when I played d2 (pre LOD) you could kinda tell how a level was gonna play out based on running it so many times. You just subconsciously know which ways to go even though it is randomly generated. You don't need a fucking map hack, its already easy.
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I havent heard of a single instance of someone getting banned for just chaos yet anybody know of any? It looks like chaos is fine so far
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my friend HolyNight was banned for using chaos O_O
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On November 14 2008 19:49 writer22816 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2008 18:44 JohnColtrane wrote:
a guy i knew got all 5 accounts banned, but he was using a combination of mh, d2loader and redvex. a few other guys got banned for mhing too, but i was fine. no ban for me. theres still bots spamming in public games and doing baal runs though
i dont think d2 is a skill-less game, not as skilled as starcraft obviously, but it takes a certain kind of experience and skill when you are pvping people. alot of luck too. also, you dont think duping is bad for diablo? duping items gives the duping person the advantage, whereas the person not duping doesnt have 10512512512 ber runes. you can argue that both people can dupe, fine, but both people can maphack in starcraft too and that would make it fair, right?
there is still some d2 clan wars going on and some scenes that do not support foul play like botting, duping, hacking etc. i dont maphack and i can do key runs/meph runs fine, its of course slower but its fair and i wont risk getting banned
the only d2 thing ill bitch about is the bullshit realm down / restricted crap. that shit really pisses me off, and the majority of real botters get away free.
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also, hrs are not that hard to get. its hard to make them drop, but with a little luck you can drop a hr from a hellforge (vex), or get a decent rune like an ist or gul and simply cube them into Hrs. i dont think the rareness of a rune justifies cheating to get it Highest rune from a hellforge is Gul. For me, I agree in the fact that duping does give the duper a huge advantage. But I feel that it is necessary to make the higher end items practical and attainable for a more realistic amount of people. In order to "fix" the "market" I think it's worth it to have a small amount of users overpowered. The way I look at it duping in Diablo 2 is a way to make the "economy" realistic, rather than making a good amount of items impossible to get. I know some of you will never agree with me on this but I'm certainly not some hacker whose sole aim is to ruin others' fun and I don't support hacking in any other game that I know of.
my mistake, i was under the impression it was vex (in previous patches, even a zod could drop, but the most ive ever gotten was a gul)
to be honest, i see where you are coming from. imagine the rarity of the runeword botd if zod was not ever duped. it would not exist unless you were extraordinarily lucky or rich (btw, blizzard is against muling so if you find it on your sorc instead of your barb, bad luck according to them.)
however, its hard to make an even balance. on one hand, if you let dupe run rampant, everyone will have characters with perfect griffs / deaths etc, and the game will lose that fun aspect. on the other hand, too little dupe will mean only a fraction of the population on d2 will get any decent runewords at all (and runewords rape uniques).
i am against maphack because it really isnt needed, it just makes things a little slower if you dont use it and doesnt really impact the game that much, but since its a small thing i usually dont care. botting, again i dont know, i love baal runs with bots, and its a service everyone can access (i dont bot at all).
but duping items makes the duper extraordinarly wealthy. imagine duping all those zods and trading for a perfect uber gfg character. the good part, i see now, is that eventually all that wealth is distributed. poor people can now farm pgems to trade for puls, and puls to trade for a vex to make a hoto or wahtever. whilst they can still do that without dupes, hr are so scare no one would trade them away, so the poor people stay runewordless and the rich stay rich.
my cousin and i have started palying on the new ladder season for about a month now, and when we started it was tough grinding out stuff to trade for puls to trade for ums to trade for hrs and whatever, but eventually we got there (and with a little bit of trading luck.) we are by no means gfg at all, we have the standard dueling gear like enigma, grief, hoto etc, but we dont have a perf griff with 5/5 light facet or a 2so 30res 15 dr coa with max ed. but we have a decent enough setup to win duels with a little luck and experience. i think that, if duping did not exist, there would be a handful of exceptionally strong characters that would completely dominate the rest regardless of gear.
i know duping is illegal but i think it is balancing at the same time, and ive kinda been swayed in the last few months on my opinion of duping. i still dont like shit like maphack, far cast, redvex etc. thanks for your post
btw, if you still play d2, are you around on USWest Ladder softcore? maybe we can have a duel or a mf or something fun
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What's wrong with people who have no life and have spent 14743819043895734 times more time playing the game than most of the others being overpowered?
And where's the fun in running the same looking level again and again?
And what's wrong with the economy if there are only a few 'rich' people? We can't all be Bill Gates you know.
I find absolutely nothing to support using any form of hacks in D2, the game is easy enough without them and if you're using them you make its challenge rating drop to 0 basically.
btw. to people who use loaders:
- you don't need any third-party stuff to play D2 without CD, all you have to do is copy your D2/LoD .mpq files, movies etc. from the discs onto your HDD and change the registry so that you set your HDD dir instead of CD dir.
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Map hack doesn`t ruin the gaming experience, porting to every wrong corner of durance 2 ruins it.
Edit: it didn`t occur to me but some people don`t have nigma or sorcs, so running to any wrong corner would Really ruin the gaming experience.
You can spend forever finding mephisto entrance,(you do get better at it because you naturally start learning the structure of the random maps ( this make any sense to you?) ) and once you do you will probably get a crap drop, since drop rates are BULL in D2, YES even with a crap load of MF, ( which makes it harder to trek through Baal because high MF gear means crap gear and burning souls are unforgiving.) I personally do it ( well did it since i stopped this year.) with a hammerdin. ( the baal runs that is.)
As far as duping ruining the game experience, YES IT DOES. some of us don`t dupe and get non legit items that POOF for our hard earned runes or uniques. Besides only if your a complete nub is it impossible to get great runewords especially since the whole keys and organs patch.( some epics are better then runewords, actually quite a lot of them are.)
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friend of mine had a loss acc with 30k loss. it was reset lol. he used chaos like once to try it out
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Play Hardcore Untwinked. It is actually fun and a challenge. What's the point of cheating to be a high level? Maybe that's why you get bored; you don't have to do shit to be a high level.
It's better to play the game how it was meant to be played, legit, untwinked. Maphack is for lazy players. And writer, you said you're pro mh, but you don't like constantly doing Baal runs and MFing? WTF do you use the maphack for then? People use it to do runs and MF.
Play the game legitly and you won't be bored.
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lol, half a dozen of my f list got their accounts banned for using D2 LOADER !! (they were all accounts with 5-9k+ wins etc., ouch)
edit: NOT CHAOS, I was misinformed.
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ye i got banned too for using chaos/iccup launcher on euro;;
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Germany2896 Posts
Did they use only chaoslauncher or also some other things like the blacklist?
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Vatican City State491 Posts
Does anyone know where is the cd-key stored? One of my keys is banned for using d2loader, but I would like to test the second one - unfortunately I dont know how to extract it (I have it somewhere at other home I think). I hope my accounts are ok - only recently (after like 2,5 years of playing) I have gotten every classic unique item in the game (muling with d2loader was so conveninet even on my old computer with 192mb of ram - just alt tab and go..)
On November 15 2008 23:50 Manit0u wrote:
btw. to people who use loaders:
- you don't need any third-party stuff to play D2 without CD, all you have to do is copy your D2/LoD .mpq files, movies etc. from the discs onto your HDD and change the registry so that you set your HDD dir instead of CD dir.
you need a CD/DVD drive to do it; I actually dont have one in my old computer (or rather; the cd rw died...)
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