Star Wars - The Old Republic - Page 147

On December 24 2011 09:15 Capped wrote:
The pvp is as "Competitive" as WoW's is, as in, it isnt. MMO pvp is never competitive unless you want to look into DAoC or L2.

WoW pvp? a joke.

I really enjoy SWTOR PvP its got a few things need tweaking but the entire game does. Look forward to hours of fun. I didnt enjoy WoW pvp at all -_-

Also, people saying "we dont have target of target blah blah thats why pvp sucks" - they can add it very easily in later patches and i understand you all need mods and macro's to hold your hand through the entire game. Im sorry for that

On December 24 2011 09:27 FrostFire626 wrote:


Strange that you feel this way. WoW has the best skill and reaction based PvP that I know of,

On December 24 2011 08:41 Fruscainte wrote:


You know, I wouldn't quite mind if a game doesn't have top tier graphics if it had DX10/DX11 features which should be standard in ANY modern game. If they want to pull off some stylistic shit, by all means -- I don't mind. In fact, that can look really good if done right. However, forcing DX9 is just fucking stupid and lazy for a game coming out less than a month from 2012.

As someone else said. If they added some better AA, textures, SSAO, and better post processing with DX10 and DX11, I would be quite happy with the state of this games graphics. Not everything needs to be HYPERREEALISTICSOGOOD like Crysis or whatever else you want to use for an example. However, just because you have "stylistic" art or intentionally dated graphics does not give reason to be lazy.



Hate to beat the dead horse even more, but at least SC2 had modern features in it. Dated graphics are fine, dated features is lazy. SC2 had DX10/11 at release. It has modern graphical settings such as AA, post processing, dynamic lighting, so on and so forth. SWTOR has none of this to the extent that we should have in a near-2012 release. It's dated graphics and dated services, which is nothing but lazy, especially with the funding this game had.

On December 24 2011 09:34 Fruscainte wrote:


If by "skill and reaction based" you mean "Whomever has the highest Resilience wins based" then yeah, I agree!

On December 24 2011 09:59 Lumicide wrote:

SC2 is a dx9 game, it doesn't have dx11 support at all. And, DX10 is more of DX 9.1 than anything, "DX11 is what 10 should have been", nothing special about 10, it can be pretty much all done on dx9 hardware within the dx9 api. The only game, off the top of my head, that uses DX10 is Crysis, and it's DX10 implementation is a 'hackjob' doable in dx9, it was a gimmick, more than a fleshed out feature.

Also, The Witcher 2 is easily one of the best looking games ever made, and it's just DX9, the api isn't magic, it's the developer who does all the work making a game look good.

Most of SWTOR's apparent lack of 'tech' is it's art style, though it may not be one that's appealing to you...

It is missing a few things that would make it look a good bit better AO and SSS, however with SSS I think the art style may need a change if it were to be viable.

I highly doubt the engine just doesn't support fully dynamic light, just like Rage 100% baked lighting =/= the engine can't render dynamic light in real time.

AA can be forced through drivers or in an .ini, SC2 doesn't have it naively either... and hardware MSAA causes artifacts in differed renderers (such as SC2's, or a UE3 game) which is the reason for all these recent new AA methods, MLAA, SMAA, FXAA, all just post processes, to get around performance issues with MSAA and differed render issues, however, it's a compromise, though FXAA is pretty solid, MLAA blurs everything to no end And shimmers.

On December 24 2011 10:10 PHILtheTANK wrote:


Comments like that are the mark of a bad PvPer. Anybody who thinks that resilience "ruined pvp" is a moron, and doesn't care about competitive pvp.

On December 24 2011 10:21 Fruscainte wrote:


But it did.

Rewarding people who play the most instead of those whom are the most skilled is silly. Equal playing fields are the way to go in my opinion. You're entitled to disagree, but don't make such a broad statement as "if you disagree with me, you're stupid."

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On December 24 2011 10:29 Silidons wrote:

Res did infact ruin WoW PvP, and it made the game even easier than it was before. Nothing is "hard" in WoW anymore.

On December 24 2011 10:21 Fruscainte wrote:


But it did.

Rewarding people who play the most instead of those whom are the most skilled is silly. Equal playing fields are the way to go in my opinion. You're entitled to disagree, but don't make such a broad statement as "if you disagree with me, you're stupid."

._.

On December 24 2011 10:45 Destructicon wrote:
I think that res did ruin WoW, because with it the devs tried to move the game into a more tactical direction. You're supposed to CC, mana burn, burt DPS etc at the correct time to be good at WoW PVP now a days. The problem is, the game lost its visceral feel.

What the devs failed to consider is that, we don't care about tactical gameplay like that, we go into PVP to outright nuke the hell out of someone. I leveled a rogue and did some BGs at low level 40-60. I can honestly say that, playing PVP at lower levels like that is infinitely more fun than any PVP I had at high level. The visceral feel you get from nuking someone down in a heartbeat then moving on to your next target, so on and so forth is incredibly satisfying and irreplaceable.

And if you want to use the "its not fair to be killed in 2-3 seconds before you can act" argument, consider that it is exactly the same thing that happens in shooters, the guy with the quicker reflexes and better aim wins, the combat is fast paced and thrilling and it is why FPS games are some of the most beloved games on the planet. MMOs need to move more into that direction of providing fast, thrilling and entertaining PVP, not the huge 30-40 min arena games that you sometimes run into

On December 24 2011 10:56 PHILtheTANK wrote:


You know i just played WoW on a 10 day trial(scroll of ressurection) and in that time, playing a few hours a day, i got both my paladin and druid in full current season gear. It doesn't take time at all to get your resilience gear. People who think resilience is a bad thing are the people who don't care about COMPETITIVE pvp. Without resilience any form of competitive pvp would be entirely broken(and if you say its broken now, then it would make it 100x more broken).

On December 24 2011 10:44 Detrimentally wrote:

You're right. My shield slams in vanilla that 1 shotted people were good for competitive PvP...