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Dooba
Croatia588 Posts
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kleetzor
Germany360 Posts
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Bleak
Turkey3059 Posts
On December 24 2011 07:33 Dooba wrote: This might be a dumb question but.. Can you buy SW:TOR in Europe? My cousin has stated that "not yet". I don't see why. Anyone? Some countries (there was a full list somewhere, Turkey, New Zealand, Romania etc., Croatia might be one of them) were announced to not eligible to buy the game immediately, as priority was given to other European and US etc. | ||
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Dooba
Croatia588 Posts
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Fruscainte
4596 Posts
On December 24 2011 07:33 Dooba wrote: This might be a dumb question but.. Can you buy SW:TOR in Europe? My cousin has stated that "not yet". I don't see why. Anyone? It's not localized for like half of Europe. | ||
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Elite__
Canada976 Posts
On December 24 2011 04:44 r00ty wrote: I did not play yet, but all impressions i got from streams (watched 5 hours or so and tried to get every aspect of the game) were seriously disappointing. I'm a huge SW fan for about 20 years now and was really looking forward to it. I pulled all friends into it, planning to start a new game together with all the guys i played WoW with over the years. They are playing it, i won't. Destructions review is very nice, though i don't think the graphics are that good. And something is strange about the flow of combat and movement. It doesn't look smooth, but maybe that's just me. The environment looked a little lifeless from time to time, but it's space stations n shit, so ok. Without the lightsabers the artwork and design is not very Star Wars, but that's probably also just my impression. When i saw the gameplay the first time i was shocked. Seriously? The absolute same shit again? There's no innovation whatsoever. I played WoW since US open beta until early 2011 (with some major breaks in between) and i'm really sick of it. My last hope was the space combat and what did they do? It's a freaking minigame! PvE only with not much skill needed. So much potential wasted again! I also heard from my friends that there's generally nearly no skill needed to play PvE successful. BORING! All those impressions and the fact, that it's distributed by a nazi company like EA make me not want to purchase the game. It really gives me an Episode I feeling, if you know what i mean... Partying at a friends house tonight who plays the game. I might take a another closer look there, but i don't think it will change my mind. Sad. that is the thing that is keeping me from playing this mmo and other mmos - the flow of combat/movement. it just feels clunky to me, and thats what killed most mmos for me in the past. i played swtor in the beta and that was just a lingering problem i couldn't get over. | ||
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FrostFire626
United States79 Posts
Good: Voice acting, freedom to travel to other worlds and systems, tons of annoying and unnecessary elements from WoW either removed or streamlined, combat is surprisingly satisfying, good commendation system, many important money sinks, good starship upgrade system. Bad: There is no excuse for the poorer-than-poor graphics, the art style will age badly (in fact it looked aged on launch day), questionable end game, very little emphasis placed on competitive pvp, player base will probably be 90% carebears. All in all it will be a good MMO for many people, but for SC2 ladder players? No real PvP = No swtor | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On December 24 2011 07:57 FrostFire626 wrote: I played swtor during the big beta weekend test as a level 20ish republic commando. Good: Voice acting, freedom to travel to other worlds and systems, tons of annoying and unnecessary elements from WoW either removed or streamlined, combat is surprisingly satisfying, good commendation system, many important money sinks, good starship upgrade system. Bad: There is no excuse for the poorer-than-poor graphics, the art style will age badly, questionable end game, very little emphasis placed on competitive pvp, player base will probably be 90% carebears. All in all it will be a good MMO for many people, but for SC2 ladder players? No real PvP = No swtor Yeah if you are looking for an MMO and all you care about is PvP I wouldn't recommend this I would have told you that months ago ^_^ | ||
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FrostFire626
United States79 Posts
On December 24 2011 07:59 blade55555 wrote: Yeah if you are looking for an MMO and all you care about is PvP I wouldn't recommend this I would have told you that months ago ^_^ PvP is one of the major elements that keeps players paying for an MMO years after launch. There is also a strange and often angry backlash from PvE players against including PvP elements in swtor, as if the two are mutually exclusive (which they are not). If Bioware sends signals that it will support competitive PvP in the future, I'll definitely subscribe. If not, one can only grind an instance for so long. | ||
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Zerothegreat
United States787 Posts
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Fruscainte
4596 Posts
On December 24 2011 08:10 Zerothegreat wrote: I don't see a problem with the graphics? Buy a better computer and up your video settings... They are 10x better than WoW's. Oh wow it looks better than a game made in 2004. Well fuck me sideways, that has me convinced. ._. + Show Spoiler + Protip: DX10/11 are not available. Buying a "better computer" won't do jack shit. | ||
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Detrimentally
United States78 Posts
On December 24 2011 08:10 Zerothegreat wrote: I don't see a problem with the graphics? Buy a better computer and up your video settings... They are 10x better than WoW's. My computer can run both on the highest settings with utter ease and WoW was 10x better at launch than this is. If I didn't just drop 60 dollars on this 2 weeks ago, I'd be playing WoW. This game is very underwhelming and I see no reason to get to 50 because they will probably fail with end-game content, and PvP is an utter joke. Huttball 10 times in a row? pass. | ||
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Zocat
Germany2229 Posts
On December 24 2011 08:21 Fruscainte wrote: Oh wow it looks better than a game made in 2004. Well fuck me sideways, that has me convinced. ._. + Show Spoiler + Protip: DX10/11 are not available. Buying a "better computer" won't do jack shit. Just interested - what kind of graphics would you expect from a 2011/12 game? Give some other games for example. Also since you seem to have missed my earlier post: Which guilds have cleared the raid instances on nightmare pre release ("content clear" as you put it)? I'm interested in following the progress of such guilds, but cannot find any. | ||
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FrostFire626
United States79 Posts
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
If you analize it, even WoW looks better than SWTOR. And it's certainly not because of the technology behind it, but only because of how much detail Blizzard puts into everything. I bet Bioware are going to try and do the same for SWTOR, but until now I don't think they're doing that much of a great job. Animations in particular are EXTREMELY bland, while environments are a bit dead. WoW, graphically, looks like a lush, living world, that is the staple of Blizzard's graphics. | ||
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Fruscainte
4596 Posts
On December 24 2011 08:28 Zocat wrote: Just interested - what kind of graphics would you expect from a 2011/12 game? Give some other games for example. You know, I wouldn't quite mind if a game doesn't have top tier graphics if it had DX10/DX11 features which should be standard in ANY modern game. If they want to pull off some stylistic shit, by all means -- I don't mind. In fact, that can look really good if done right. However, forcing DX9 is just fucking stupid and lazy for a game coming out less than a month from 2012. As someone else said. If they added some better AA, textures, SSAO, and better post processing with DX10 and DX11, I would be quite happy with the state of this games graphics. Not everything needs to be HYPERREEALISTICSOGOOD like Crysis or whatever else you want to use for an example. However, just because you have "stylistic" art or intentionally dated graphics does not give reason to be lazy. Take a look at SC2 and tell me the graphics weren't technically outdated. Now that's the key word. Blizzard has always used outdated graphics, but their art work is top notch. They can make a game from the 90s look gorgeous by today's standards. Hate to beat the dead horse even more, but at least SC2 had modern features in it. Dated graphics are fine, dated features is lazy. SC2 had DX10/11 at release. It has modern graphical settings such as AA, post processing, dynamic lighting, so on and so forth. SWTOR has none of this to the extent that we should have in a near-2012 release. It's dated graphics and dated services, which is nothing but lazy, especially with the funding this game had. | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
On December 24 2011 08:41 Fruscainte wrote: You know, I wouldn't quite mind if a game doesn't have top tier graphics if it had DX10/DX11 features which should be standard in ANY modern game. If they want to pull off some stylistic shit, by all means -- I don't mind. In fact, that can look really good if done right. However, forcing DX9 is just fucking stupid and lazy for a game coming out less than a month from 2012. As someone else said. If they added some better AA, textures, SSAO, and better post processing with DX10 and DX11, I would be quite happy with the state of this games graphics. Not everything needs to be HYPERREEALISTICSOGOOD like Crysis or whatever else you want to use for an example. However, just because you have "stylistic" art or intentionally dated graphics does not give reason to be lazy. Hate to beat the dead horse even more, but at least SC2 had modern features in it. Dated graphics are fine, dated features is lazy. SC2 had DX10/11 at release. It has modern graphical settings such as AA, post processing, dynamic lighting, so on and so forth. SWTOR has none of this to the extent that we should have in a near-2012 release. It's dated graphics and dated services, which is nothing but lazy, especially with the funding this game had. Yeah, well, SC2 isn't an MMO, it's a different process. I agree with them being "lazy" on this one, it might be a bit too outdated. But you can still do well with outdated graphics, if you know how to pull it off, that's kinda what I mean, and what I think they're trying to do here. I don't think they've succeded yet though. Most likely these DX10/11 features will be added soon. | ||
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Cytokinesis
Canada330 Posts
On December 24 2011 08:40 mordk wrote: Most likely Bioware is trying to go the Blizzard way for fixing graphics. Blizzard's graphics (in ALL of their games) are characteristically, always outdated, even at the moment of release. Take a look at SC2 and tell me the graphics weren't technically outdated. Now that's the key word. Blizzard has always used outdated graphics, but their art work is top notch. They can make a game from the 90s look gorgeous by today's standards. If you analize it, even WoW looks better than SWTOR. And it's certainly not because of the technology behind it, but only because of how much detail Blizzard puts into everything. I bet Bioware are going to try and do the same for SWTOR, but until now I don't think they're doing that much of a great job. Animations in particular are EXTREMELY bland, while environments are a bit dead. WoW, graphically, looks like a lush, living world, that is the staple of Blizzard's graphics. Blizzard even stated that they purposely designed (WoW in particular) to have very "cartoony" graphics so they won;t look outdated 10 years from launch. Really smart thinking on their part. They always design with long term success in mind, which is why they are one of the best game companies. That said I have complete reservations on this game. I played WoW at a competitive-world level for PvE for a couple years and the last thing we need is another WoW clone. Not that I would even glance at another MMO for a very, VERY long time in my life, but the design just gets so stale. The worst part is it could be like every other launch of every other MMO ever where people play and love it for a couple months then toss it away because it has nothing to do. | ||
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Fruscainte
4596 Posts
On December 24 2011 08:47 mordk wrote: Yeah, well, SC2 isn't an MMO, it's a different process. No, no it isn't. Most likely these DX10/11 features will be added soon. If they didn't do it in the first 4 years of development with the ridiculous funding they got, they probably won't do it ever. It's not even that it has "bad graphics", it's so poorly optimized. A lot of video cards get major graphical glitches, a lot of drivers don't work properly with the game, top tier computers are struggling on lower settings, so on and so forth. Like I said, I'm fine with a game doing the "outdated stylistic graphics" thing. That can work REALLY well (IE: WoW) and can actually be pretty damn cool. However, there's a fine line between purposely doing outdated graphics and being lazy. Especially with the utterly ridiculous budget this game was given. At least we can agree on that  I do hope they eventually patch in some features. Even WoW added in modern graphical features at one point. | ||
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