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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
July 23 2008 09:04 GMT
#121
On July 23 2008 10:10 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2008 08:23 Fangster wrote:
My current (stall) team:
Skarmory - Toxic, Spikes, Roar, Drill Peck
Gengar - Will-O-Wisp, Shadow Ball, Perish Song, Mean Look
Dusclops - Focus Punch, Will-O-Wisp, Pain Split, Seismic Toss
Blissey - Softboiled, Seismic Toss, Aromatherapy, Wish
Breloom - Spore, Focus Punch, Leech Seed, Substitute
Gardevior - Thunderbolt, Psychic, Hypnosis, Calm Mind

Currently working on a baton pass team. I am using vaporeon, jolteon, umbreon, ninjask, and scyther. No idea what is gonna be my 6th.


For your Baton Pass, do a Mawile with:
Baton Pass
Swords Dance
Iron Defense
Brick Break

Sick moveset I found online.


Subbing ninjask would carry SD. Vaporeon's acid armor is a far better def boost than iron defense. Mawile isn't as good on an OU BP team.
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Umbrella
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Taiwan936 Posts
July 23 2008 09:47 GMT
#122
Assuming this is advanced I would use Mr. Mime for calm minds as well because of soundproof (most popular phazers have roar). But you definitely need smeargle somewhere like what NeoIllusions says.

Why are you using scyther over scizor? Scizor can take hits better and has a better typing. Also, what are you passing with jolteon? 0_o Agility? Even though you have ninjask?
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
July 23 2008 09:50 GMT
#123
I found that more phazers carry whirlwind, ala Skarm
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
17006 Posts
July 23 2008 14:09 GMT
#124
Ugh. For my R/S baton pass team, I used

Ninjask (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Speed Boost
EVs: 128 Def / 252 Spd / 130 SDef
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Aerial Ace
- Baton Pass
- Hidden Power [Bug]
- Substitute

You're not getting any swords dances off with Ninjask. Just Sub until you can pass. If a phaser comes in, pass to Umbreon and have him Taunt. Roar/Whirlwind is -1 move priority anyway, and your +1 speed should enable Umbreon to go before all common Hazers except Crobat (which no one uses anyway). If they don't bring in a p/hazer on their first switch in, then Umbreon will Taunt before any +0/-1 priority move anyway.

Umbreon (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Synchronize
EVs: 252 HP / 128 Def / 130 SDef
Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Baton Pass
- Charm
- Mean Look
- Taunt

This is your anti-phazer. Read above commentary. Mean Look to trap them and then Charm just for shits and giggles. After this I usually pass to Vaporeon or Celebi. You'll want to pass to Umbreon for Taunts for ANY remote threat. This includes things Psych Up Regice/Gardevoir or even more remote threats like Snatch or Magic Coat (never happens. Just watch out for Psych Up Regice, really...haze and roar/whirlwind were explained in above section).

Celebi @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP / 224 Def / 34 SAtk
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Baton Pass
- Calm Mind
- Psychic
- Recover

Standard.

Vaporeon (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 HP / 128 Def / 130 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Acid Armor
- Baton Pass
- Substitute
- Surf

Standard.

Smeargle (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Own Tempo
EVs: 128 Def / 252 Spd / 130 SDef
Hardy Nature (Neutral)
- Baton Pass
- Belly Drum
- Ingrain
- Spore

Standard.

Porygon2 @ Lum Berry
Trait: Trace
EVs: 252 Atk / 6 Spd / 252 SAtk
Hasty Nature (+Spd, -Def)
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Ice Beam
- Return
- Thunderbolt

Some people like Zapdos instead with TBolt/HP Ice/Drill Peck/BP so you can BP to something else in case it's resisted. Honestly, Porygon2 isn't that great of a recipient. But whatever.



If you're feeling cutesy (like I did), you could add a Trickband Mr. Mime with Trick/CM/BP/Psychic. You'd obviously pass to him after Mean Looking and Charming so they're stucking doing the same move over and over again with -6 ATK. Just be sure to Trick first so you're not stuck with a Focus Band lozltovz.
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Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
17006 Posts
July 23 2008 14:10 GMT
#125
Oh, one quick note, you could replace Charm with Moonlight on Umbreon in case you get damaged too badly. But Umbreon is a massive wall anyway, so it shouldn't be that big of a problem. Just charm them to raise your physical defense (by lowering their attack) and then pass to Celebi (another massive wall) to raise your special defense.
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Haemonculus
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States6980 Posts
July 23 2008 16:11 GMT
#126
Red and Blue were bloody awesome. Except blue version was better, cause weedles piss the hell out of me. "Poison sting has a 10% chance to poison", but ends up poisoning you EVERY SHOT T_T;;;

I also played Silver back when it came out. That was actually a lot of fun. I never got any other other games, mainly because I didn't have a better gameboy or whatever the hell you play it on these days. I did however borrow a friends DS and play through the R/B remakes. Those were awesome.
I admire your commitment to being *very* oily
Durak
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada3684 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-07-23 17:13:26
July 23 2008 17:12 GMT
#127
I only ever played red, blue, and yellow. Are any of the others worth playing if I only play single player?

Since this is the ultimate pokemon thread I felt this couldn't be left out.

http://vgcats.com/super/
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 23 2008 18:20 GMT
#128
On July 21 2008 05:35 TarsTarkas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2008 05:00 Umbrella wrote:
Yes ice beam does counter dragons but would any decent player let their dragon get ice beamed? Most likely they will switch out to something that will take ice beam or they switch their dragon into something that can't do crap against them. When they do switch in, either you switch out to your dragon counter and let your switch in take loads of damage, or you still stay in and get killed. Most ice beam users are slower than dragons as well so this makes it incredibly hard.

Now that dragon moves can by physical, most garchomps pack dragon claw/earthquake/fire fang or fire blast (depending if you are more scared of bronzong or skarmory) and some other random move. Nothing resists the dragon/fire combo other than heatran and that gets killed by earthquake.


These are good points, but the switching tactic definitely has faults. For example, I sent a Cloyster out to counter your Dragonite. I know you will switch, so instead of using Ice Beam, I put down a layer of spikes. Switching just got a whole lot less fun, didn't it?

Or what if I send out something that doesn't obviously have an ice move? For example, I could use Alakazam or Gengar, both can learn Ice Punch and have awesome special attack and speed.

I've never played the newest games, but in my experience, Dragons are not difficult to counter - they just scew you over if you are unprepared. Fortunately, there are lots of ways to beat them other than using Ice.


Your Cloyster example is good, but spikes doesn't affect Dragonite. Last I checked (a long time ago, haven't played in a while which was emerald on an emu) spikes can't do damage to flying types. I usually loved stacking my roster with dragon heavy types, so I would probably have Dragonite + Kingdra as well. Kingdra is a great dragon to have since it has no weaknesses as it's a water + dragon type. This may have changed since I used to do this in Crystal once again ages ago.

Sorry this thread just made me feel really old. I did like to play when I got bored with SC for a while. The single player can be a bit exciting especially the first time around, especially GSC bc of the 2 regions detail.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
tracer
Profile Joined March 2008
Korea (South)693 Posts
July 23 2008 18:25 GMT
#129
On July 24 2008 03:20 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2008 05:35 TarsTarkas wrote:
On July 21 2008 05:00 Umbrella wrote:
Yes ice beam does counter dragons but would any decent player let their dragon get ice beamed? Most likely they will switch out to something that will take ice beam or they switch their dragon into something that can't do crap against them. When they do switch in, either you switch out to your dragon counter and let your switch in take loads of damage, or you still stay in and get killed. Most ice beam users are slower than dragons as well so this makes it incredibly hard.

Now that dragon moves can by physical, most garchomps pack dragon claw/earthquake/fire fang or fire blast (depending if you are more scared of bronzong or skarmory) and some other random move. Nothing resists the dragon/fire combo other than heatran and that gets killed by earthquake.


These are good points, but the switching tactic definitely has faults. For example, I sent a Cloyster out to counter your Dragonite. I know you will switch, so instead of using Ice Beam, I put down a layer of spikes. Switching just got a whole lot less fun, didn't it?

Or what if I send out something that doesn't obviously have an ice move? For example, I could use Alakazam or Gengar, both can learn Ice Punch and have awesome special attack and speed.

I've never played the newest games, but in my experience, Dragons are not difficult to counter - they just scew you over if you are unprepared. Fortunately, there are lots of ways to beat them other than using Ice.


Your Cloyster example is good, but spikes doesn't affect Dragonite. Last I checked (a long time ago, haven't played in a while which was emerald on an emu) spikes can't do damage to flying types. I usually loved stacking my roster with dragon heavy types, so I would probably have Dragonite + Kingdra as well. Kingdra is a great dragon to have since it has no weaknesses as it's a water + dragon type. This may have changed since I used to do this in Crystal once again ages ago.

Sorry this thread just made me feel really old. I did like to play when I got bored with SC for a while. The single player can be a bit exciting especially the first time around, especially GSC bc of the 2 regions detail.


Actually, Dragon attacks are effective against Dragon and neutral against Water, so Kingdra has a key Dragon weakness. The only poke without any weaknesses is Spiritomb, with his Ghost/Dark type.
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
July 23 2008 20:21 GMT
#130
On July 23 2008 17:31 Scaramanga wrote:
OMFG stupid emrald 386, i got to the end, all my pokemon were lvl 65 and then it says the save fucks up and i cant go exploring, fucking gay
anyone got links for other pokemon roms?


IF YOU ARE PLAYING EMERALD 386 AND YOUR SAVE FUCKS UP

1. Hopefully you made a save state just before the point where the game auto-saves after beating the Elite Four.
2. Delete your current save game file (NOT THE SAVE STATE)
(find and delete Pokemon Emerald 386.sav)
3. In VGBAdvance, go Options->Emulator->Real Time Clock, make sure it's checked
4. In VGBAdvance, go Options->Emulator->Save Type->Flash 128K, make sure it's checked
5. Restart the rom and load your save state.
6. Let the game save automatically.
7. This save file shouldn't be corrupted.
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
0cz3c
Profile Joined February 2008
United States564 Posts
July 23 2008 22:34 GMT
#131
Shallow, where do you find a larvitar in Emerald 386 o.o
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-07-23 22:39:17
July 23 2008 22:38 GMT
#132
On July 24 2008 07:34 0cz3c wrote:
Shallow, where do you find a larvitar in Emerald 386 o.o


After you beat the Elite Four go to the Fossil Maniac's house in FallArbor town (it's at the far West) and go into the Cave at the back; they're in there.

On July 23 2008 18:04 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2008 10:10 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
On July 23 2008 08:23 Fangster wrote:
My current (stall) team:
Skarmory - Toxic, Spikes, Roar, Drill Peck
Gengar - Will-O-Wisp, Shadow Ball, Perish Song, Mean Look
Dusclops - Focus Punch, Will-O-Wisp, Pain Split, Seismic Toss
Blissey - Softboiled, Seismic Toss, Aromatherapy, Wish
Breloom - Spore, Focus Punch, Leech Seed, Substitute
Gardevior - Thunderbolt, Psychic, Hypnosis, Calm Mind

Currently working on a baton pass team. I am using vaporeon, jolteon, umbreon, ninjask, and scyther. No idea what is gonna be my 6th.


For your Baton Pass, do a Mawile with:
Baton Pass
Swords Dance
Iron Defense
Brick Break

Sick moveset I found online.


Subbing ninjask would carry SD. Vaporeon's acid armor is a far better def boost than iron defense. Mawile isn't as good on an OU BP team.


Subbing Ninjask carries Speed doesn't it, unless SD is short for Speed and not Special Defense? Also, I'm confused as to why Acid Armor is better than Iron Defense when they both have the exact same effect.

In fact, from what I know Acid Armor's Defense boost doesn't apply if the enemy gets a Critical Hit. Is this the same for Iron Defense?
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
July 23 2008 22:43 GMT
#133
On July 24 2008 07:38 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2008 07:34 0cz3c wrote:
Shallow, where do you find a larvitar in Emerald 386 o.o


After you beat the Elite Four go to the Fossil Maniac's house in FallArbor town (it's at the far West) and go into the Cave at the back; they're in there.

Show nested quote +
On July 23 2008 18:04 NeoIllusions wrote:
On July 23 2008 10:10 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
On July 23 2008 08:23 Fangster wrote:
My current (stall) team:
Skarmory - Toxic, Spikes, Roar, Drill Peck
Gengar - Will-O-Wisp, Shadow Ball, Perish Song, Mean Look
Dusclops - Focus Punch, Will-O-Wisp, Pain Split, Seismic Toss
Blissey - Softboiled, Seismic Toss, Aromatherapy, Wish
Breloom - Spore, Focus Punch, Leech Seed, Substitute
Gardevior - Thunderbolt, Psychic, Hypnosis, Calm Mind

Currently working on a baton pass team. I am using vaporeon, jolteon, umbreon, ninjask, and scyther. No idea what is gonna be my 6th.


For your Baton Pass, do a Mawile with:
Baton Pass
Swords Dance
Iron Defense
Brick Break

Sick moveset I found online.


Subbing ninjask would carry SD. Vaporeon's acid armor is a far better def boost than iron defense. Mawile isn't as good on an OU BP team.


Subbing Ninjask carries Speed doesn't it, unless SD is short for Speed and not Special Defense? Also, I'm confused as to why Acid Armor is better than Iron Defense when they both have the exact same effect.

In fact, from what I know Acid Armor's Defense boost doesn't apply if the enemy gets a Critical Hit. Is this the same for Iron Defense?


Ninjask has speed boost, so by default, jask nulls jolteon's role in a BP team. TL is obviously not Smogon, so I'll cut back on the abbreviations, my bad. SD = Sword Dance.

Iron defense does boost by 2 levels. I thought it was 1 level for some reason. If it was one, then obviously acid armor is better.
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
July 23 2008 22:46 GMT
#134
On July 24 2008 07:43 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2008 07:38 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
On July 24 2008 07:34 0cz3c wrote:
Shallow, where do you find a larvitar in Emerald 386 o.o


After you beat the Elite Four go to the Fossil Maniac's house in FallArbor town (it's at the far West) and go into the Cave at the back; they're in there.

On July 23 2008 18:04 NeoIllusions wrote:
On July 23 2008 10:10 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
On July 23 2008 08:23 Fangster wrote:
My current (stall) team:
Skarmory - Toxic, Spikes, Roar, Drill Peck
Gengar - Will-O-Wisp, Shadow Ball, Perish Song, Mean Look
Dusclops - Focus Punch, Will-O-Wisp, Pain Split, Seismic Toss
Blissey - Softboiled, Seismic Toss, Aromatherapy, Wish
Breloom - Spore, Focus Punch, Leech Seed, Substitute
Gardevior - Thunderbolt, Psychic, Hypnosis, Calm Mind

Currently working on a baton pass team. I am using vaporeon, jolteon, umbreon, ninjask, and scyther. No idea what is gonna be my 6th.


For your Baton Pass, do a Mawile with:
Baton Pass
Swords Dance
Iron Defense
Brick Break

Sick moveset I found online.


Subbing ninjask would carry SD. Vaporeon's acid armor is a far better def boost than iron defense. Mawile isn't as good on an OU BP team.


Subbing Ninjask carries Speed doesn't it, unless SD is short for Speed and not Special Defense? Also, I'm confused as to why Acid Armor is better than Iron Defense when they both have the exact same effect.

In fact, from what I know Acid Armor's Defense boost doesn't apply if the enemy gets a Critical Hit. Is this the same for Iron Defense?


Ninjask has speed boost, so by default, jask nulls jolteon's role in a BP team. TL is obviously not Smogon, so I'll cut back on the abbreviations, my bad. SD = Sword Dance.

Iron defense does boost by 2 levels. I thought it was 1 level for some reason. If it was one, then obviously acid armor is better.


Oh ok, SD = Swords Dance makes a bit more sense :p
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
July 24 2008 10:26 GMT
#135
Critical hits punch through all of your opponent's defensive boosts.
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Scaramanga
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia8090 Posts
July 25 2008 10:39 GMT
#136
People, who should i choose at the start of gold, i chose leaf but idk
Loda talked about the fun counter, it's AdmiralBulldog on his natures prophet
Cham
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
797 Posts
July 27 2008 16:06 GMT
#137
Anyone want to play some Diamond/Pearl with me? I've been training a competitive team waiting for Platinum to come out~
wswordsmen
Profile Joined October 2007
United States987 Posts
July 27 2008 16:17 GMT
#138
Start of gold, I find the most useful one is Cyndiquil, but just go over the gym types+ elite 4 and you will find your answer

Flying
Bug
Normal
Nor this one
Steel
Fighting
Ice
Dragon


Poison
Ghost
Dragon
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
July 27 2008 16:24 GMT
#139
On July 25 2008 19:39 Scaramanga wrote:
People, who should i choose at the start of gold, i chose leaf but idk


fire
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-07-27 16:45:16
July 27 2008 16:26 GMT
#140
Weedles are fucking imba fts. If any of you have Diamond a Pearl or want a game on Shoddy Battle ill be happy to play you.

Edit : If i can make my shitty wifi work..or find my ds whichever comes first.
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