EPTHeard it here first, she's gonna get phased out or become similar to sand king.
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Ack1027
United States7873 Posts
Heard it here first, she's gonna get phased out or become similar to sand king. | ||
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
On April 17 2008 10:05 Ack1027 wrote: QoP is useless period. Heard it here first, she's gonna get phased out or become similar to sand king. puck will be the new qop!1 | ||
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[TYG]Transcend
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zulu_nation8
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Naib
Hungary4843 Posts
On another, but related note: Watching TeG vs SK now made me realize how hard lil' Puck was hit by the nerfbat. Darn, I miss his old little cutie self, raping everyone left and right from lvl 3 on with Orb  | ||
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Naib
Hungary4843 Posts
On April 17 2008 10:05 Ack1027 wrote: QoP is useless period. Heard it here first, she's gonna get phased out or become similar to sand king. I'm still new to DotA, especially to watching competitive stuff. Could you elaborate on what do you mean by "becoming similar to sand king" ? | ||
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Fzero
United States1503 Posts
I tend to disagree with the reasoning though. First off, sand king has many more escape mechanisms than most heroes of his nature. All three of his skills are very good, and his ultimate is still usable in some situations. Good players can utilize burrow and sand storm to prevent almost any sort of death.. besides being horribly outnumbered. QoP, while being raped in the anus by Orchid, still has one of the only unhindered blinks in the game. As long as you can traverse cliffs/treelines where people can't follow you, QoP will be one of the first picks in the game for a long time to come. She may be reduced to a more supportive role, but she'll still be picked. | ||
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paper
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On April 18 2008 01:02 FzeroXx wrote: Sand king used to be a first pick, and now he's usually in the 4-5 range IF people even pick him. I tend to disagree with the reasoning though. First off, sand king has many more escape mechanisms than most heroes of his nature. All three of his skills are very good, and his ultimate is still usable in some situations. Good players can utilize burrow and sand storm to prevent almost any sort of death.. besides being horribly outnumbered. QoP, while being raped in the anus by Orchid, still has one of the only unhindered blinks in the game. As long as you can traverse cliffs/treelines where people can't follow you, QoP will be one of the first picks in the game for a long time to come. She may be reduced to a more supportive role, but she'll still be picked. shes going to be the utility hero like NA except she won't be raped in the ass by a 200 gold ward, int hero with alot of skill and item build possibilities and an aoe nuke won't be phased out SK...well SK is going to be phased out with Dagger/Bottle being nerfed (which affects his popular lane part Lesh as well). | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
for 51 its mostly puck added in, less sven more skel, more snares not as many stuns, more morph play as well (even in 48b). | ||
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Fzero
United States1503 Posts
I'd say shadow priest also, except that it isn't really for HIM.. its for grave.. in which case Luna, BB, TB, Potm, Cent, Void, Skelly, Spectre, and to a lesser extent Sven, SF, Silencer become extremely scary. In .48b it is almost impossible to stop Luna, BB, or Potm from beating you with shallow grave. | ||
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Ack1027
United States7873 Posts
2x bracer dagger bottle was all you needed, but even at that point in the game when you're playing a team of equal skill it's hard for your sand king to break a neutral score. Sand storm is usually taken later since people get burrow+stats so the argument that he can still hide and get away is kinda null, not to mention ' good ' players as you say will have heroes like lina or beastmaster who can still hit sand king in the storm. The reason I said QoP is gonna suck is because PotM and Puck are so nasty compared to her it's disgusting. Unless your team is doing well, QoP will not do well. It doesn't matter how many times you get away using blink [ which is nerfed in the newest version now ] if your team gets fucked. Doesn't matter if you're level 25. Other team gets a hood and you're pretty much useless. The only viable build I see on her now is some kind of deso build. Like sand king, after her core items there's a period [ aka midgame ] where she's pretty useless for 10-15 minutes unless it's a 4 man gank or some stupid shit, where even pit lord would be a good hero. | ||
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paper
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Epicenter is still ridiculously strong in most situations compared to any other ult Blink is still useful as an escape mechanism coupled with sandstorm The bottle nerf weakens line-ups across the entire board Laughable str gain? He's neither tanking shit nor dealing physical damage. Bracers give you enough HP. IMO, early sand storm is king over 2 of each stat rofl. Free stun dodge? If lina is using her stun on SK who has to fucking hide, that gives your teammates impunity in raping her up the ass. Used properly, I don't see how SK can't break even easily. He's a team player and you shouldn't be in these situations where you can't escape with the nerfed blink or burrow. | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On April 18 2008 04:42 paper wrote: Just because he can't shove people around as badly as before doesn't mean SK is necessarily useless :| Epicenter is still ridiculously strong in most situations compared to any other ult Blink is still useful as an escape mechanism coupled with sandstorm The bottle nerf weakens line-ups across the entire board Laughable str gain? He's neither tanking shit nor dealing physical damage. Bracers give you enough HP. IMO, early sand storm is king over 2 of each stat rofl. Free stun dodge? If lina is using her stun on SK who has to fucking hide, that gives your teammates impunity in raping her up the ass. Used properly, I don't see how SK can't break even easily. He's a team player and you shouldn't be in these situations where you can't escape with the nerfed blink or burrow. Play something higher than pubs prz, and yes TL is pub. Better yet watch the recent replays from leagues with SK picks, hes not that great. Blink nerf affects specific heroes more so than others, the same applies to bottle. Please don't argue a point where it has already been proven at this point in competitive dota, SK is past the overrated part, past the being phased out part. Not a bad hero, but most of the time you have better options like a Centaur. | ||
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{ToT}Strafe
Thailand7026 Posts
On April 18 2008 06:44 Judicator wrote: Play something higher than pubs prz, and yes TL is pub. Better yet watch the recent replays from leagues with SK picks, hes not that great. Blink nerf affects specific heroes more so than others, the same applies to bottle. Please don't argue a point where it has already been proven at this point in competitive dota, SK is past the overrated part, past the being phased out part. Not a bad hero, but most of the time you have better options like a Centaur. or leviathan! | ||
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{ToT}Strafe
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paper
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On April 18 2008 06:44 Judicator wrote: Play something higher than pubs prz, and yes TL is pub. Better yet watch the recent replays from leagues with SK picks, hes not that great. Blink nerf affects specific heroes more so than others, the same applies to bottle. Please don't argue a point where it has already been proven at this point in competitive dota, SK is past the overrated part, past the being phased out part. Not a bad hero, but most of the time you have better options like a Centaur. oh shi-!! i thought TL dota was the creamz of the corpzZ in terms of skills!Z?Z?!/11/1 no fucking shit it's horrible. you would know if you actually played with us on a regular basis that i constantly say TL dota < pubs. p.s. competitive dota != the end all of dota. do note the main point of this thread. | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On April 18 2008 09:41 paper wrote: oh shi-!! i thought TL dota was the creamz of the corpzZ in terms of skills!Z?Z?!/11/1 no fucking shit it's horrible. you would know if you actually played with us on a regular basis that i constantly say TL dota < pubs. p.s. competitive dota != the end all of dota. do note the main point of this thread. then you should know that anything works in pubs and that hero discussion is entirely pointless if you are going to fall back on the pub defense, yo deso-warlock support imo. I played one game with you guys and knew how bad it is, so instead of joining a tumor of a game, | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On April 18 2008 07:59 [TYG]Transcend wrote: I agree that Puck will be picked much more than QoP when the next stable map comes in, and basically everyone in TL I've played knows that I <3 puck, or that I just say Puck is imba. I just luuuuuuuuuuv the crazy dodges you can do with phase. Puck gets raped by any of the power nukers, invoker if he stays will be interesting part in team fights. | ||
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