The Official Fighting Games Topic - Page 174

On May 06 2009 18:14 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Hey that reminds me, How is Dan in sf4 compared to other chars? How is he compared to other Dans in previous games?

On May 06 2009 18:06 Naib wrote:
I've visited the cinema with my friend Sunday (to watch Wolverine: Origins), and much to our pleasure there were X-boxes stationed in the cinema lobby. So after the film, we camped the SFIV one a bit...well, almost 2 hours in fact xD

We both really, really longed for trying this game out (even if the X-box controls are far from optimal to play on), and we had a ton of fun. The best thing about us VSing in fighting games (we're total scrubs in everything btw ) is that we always pick totally different characters. Like this time, I was playing with Ryu, Sagat, Abel, Rufus and C. Viper, whilst he was using Blanka, E. Honda, Zangief, Chun Li and Ken.

Oh well, just wanted to share my tales. This made me wanna own a copy of SFIV ;]

On May 07 2009 02:45 freelander wrote:
touching story.. in the wrong right thread

On May 05 2009 19:14 freelander wrote:
Today wireless technology is good enough to make even mouses with it.

On May 07 2009 04:32 anotak wrote:

hell no
stuff lags so much even on "gaming" wireless

On May 07 2009 02:14 myrmidon2537 wrote:
A2 Dan: Sweep > TAH TAH TEHHHYA! CC is fun to watch

Actually.. I have fun watching A2 in general

On May 07 2009 06:39 Myrmidon wrote:


Mmm yes, the technology has improved since like 10 years ago. Today's wireless technologies can provide data rates that are sufficient for gaming in optimal situations, definitely. Do you really care if your 60-byte packet gets transmitted at 24 Mbps (nominally 20 microseconds, but definitely < 200 microseconds including framing details) as opposed to 100 Mbps (nominally 4.8 microseconds)? The extra latency is negligible. But performance in real situations is still going to be heavily dependent on what your local wireless transmission environment (channel) is like.

Wireless mouses use Bluetooth, and the distance between a wireless mouse and receiver is correspondingly short. Even though Bluetooth uses the generally over-saturated 2.4 GHz spectrum in the ISM band, it can get by fine for these applications for the most part given the short transmission distance and the frequency hop spread spectrum (FHSS) modulation technique it uses. (The 2.4 GHz spectrum also is used by most Wi-Fi, many cordless phones, some TV services, and a whole bunch of general consumer wireless products--plus it gets interference from microwave ovens too.) Pretty much, even if other sources are interfering in the spectrum, enough of the Bluetooth signal can be picked up by the receiver to get 100% of the transmitted data. Other wireless controllers, such as the wireless Xbox 360 controller, use similar FHSS signals with somewhat similar range.

That's a separate issue from Wi-Fi for your network connection though. If you're far away from an access point and get poor signal-to-noise ratio etc., your performance is going to suffer some. But by far the biggest issue is multiple-access interference with competing Wi-Fi signals. Pretty much, if you've got a bunch of devices around using Wi-Fi in the same frequency as you and somebody else is already transmitting, you have to wait until it's your turn to transmit. Then, your transmission may collide with another, forcing a retransmission and even more wasted time (and the retransmission could fail, and its retransmission...). This can greatly increase the effective latency whenever everybody is trying to get on the air at the same time--thus degrading performance very noticeably. But if the air is mostly free, you can expect good performance indistinguishable from that of a wired connection. Just for one example, Ponder said he developed GGPO over his Wi-Fi connection to his router.

"Gaming" wireless is pretty much just a marketing ploy. The underlying technology is the same. The only difference may be a few small performance tweaks within the limits of the standards, but if there were tweaks that existed that improved performance so much, people would already use them for "normal" wireless.

edit: well okay, I may be exaggerating the abilities of FHSS, but it's certainly a huge improvement over what's in Wi-Fi. Wi-Fi modulations use a poverty direct sequence spread spectrum (DSSS) or no spread spectrum at all, IIRC (having spread spectrum helps in a lot of ways against multiple access interference, multipath, etc.).

On May 07 2009 10:50 sung_moon wrote:


nah pocket fighter and mvc2 dan all the way

i mean one of his special moves was him throwing his autograph

thats some top tier shit

On May 07 2009 10:52 anotak wrote:

I honestly don't have much scientific knowledge about the subject but in my experience when I've used wireless mice on starcraft, they've been laggy as fuck and unusable.

With regards to FG stuff, I don't know about controllers (haven't ever played FGs with a pad and I don't know any console game well enough to know about in lag with relation to other games). I do know that wireless stuff at a large console tournament is a problem because of there being a lot of consoles in one place so it's a bad setup to use.

On May 07 2009 10:54 ZoW wrote:


Don't forget his 3 super bar 80% suicide super =P