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SayaSP
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Laos5494 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-29 20:09:15
January 29 2009 19:01 GMT
#2121
http://www.iplaywinner.com/street-fighter-4-character-log/2008/9/13/chun-li.html

Yo guys go to the end of that article and listen to the Lil Shoto Strategy song omg

edit: http://www.mediafire.com/?immt2ujm2my mp3
[iHs]SSP | I-NO-KI BOM-BA-YE | のヮの http://tinyurl.com/MLIStheCV , MLIS.
H
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
New Zealand6138 Posts
January 29 2009 19:06 GMT
#2122
♪ One low short into-o-o EX Le-e-egs ♪
♪ Two low shorts into-o-o EX Le-e-egs ♪
♪ Three low shorts into-o-o EX Le-e-egs ♪
♪ And combo that innnnnnnntooooooo Ultraaaaa-a-a (only in the corner) ♪
[iHs]HCO | のヮの | pachi & plexa ownz | RIP _
freelander
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Hungary4707 Posts
January 29 2009 19:10 GMT
#2123
Diego Perry is the Pelé of Killer Instinct.
And all is illuminated.
Trumpet
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1936 Posts
January 29 2009 19:22 GMT
#2124
On January 30 2009 04:01 SayaSP wrote:
http://www.iplaywinner.com/street-fighter-4-character-log/2008/9/13/chun-li.html

Yo guys go to the end of that article and listen to the Lil Shoto Strategy song omg


hahaha my god that song is amazing, gonna be spamming that one everywhere

Yea I'm Trumpet on GGPO / SRK as well
anotak
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1537 Posts
January 29 2009 19:44 GMT
#2125
On January 29 2009 15:29 MCMcEmcee wrote:
- Ky - 6P (upper-body, above knees), ground VT (full), air VT (strike), Greed Sever (foot and goes airborne)

aren't these attacks the exact same in the other games??
and is 6P even a launcher???

I play Ky... hmmm.
freelander
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Hungary4707 Posts
January 29 2009 19:44 GMT
#2126
[image loading]

And all is illuminated.
freelander
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Hungary4707 Posts
January 29 2009 19:45 GMT
#2127
On January 30 2009 04:44 anotak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2009 15:29 MCMcEmcee wrote:
- Ky - 6P (upper-body, above knees), ground VT (full), air VT (strike), Greed Sever (foot and goes airborne)

aren't these attacks the exact same in the other games??
and is 6P even a launcher???

I play Ky... hmmm.


he didn't list launchers but all the invincible moves he could think about
And all is illuminated.
anotak
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1537 Posts
January 29 2009 20:34 GMT
#2128
On January 30 2009 04:45 freelander wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2009 04:44 anotak wrote:
On January 29 2009 15:29 MCMcEmcee wrote:
- Ky - 6P (upper-body, above knees), ground VT (full), air VT (strike), Greed Sever (foot and goes airborne)

aren't these attacks the exact same in the other games??
and is 6P even a launcher???

I play Ky... hmmm.


he didn't list launchers but all the invincible moves he could think about

wait why
wasn't he complaining about invincible launchers?????
i don't understand how that's any different than the guilty gears that came before because i'm pretty sure ky had those exact same moves before?
Trumpet
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1936 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-29 20:50:19
January 29 2009 20:38 GMT
#2129
On January 30 2009 04:44 freelander wrote:
[image loading]



LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL this + shoto strategy is just too much for one day xDD

Ironically, the reason my friends all decided to play 3s over gg when we started learning fighting games was some of the bull shit listed there. Specifically, my order sol abusing the charge burst and his 3 hit stupid about of damage (for newbs) super that is fully invincible through its startup.
freelander
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Hungary4707 Posts
January 29 2009 20:42 GMT
#2130
On January 30 2009 05:34 anotak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2009 04:45 freelander wrote:
On January 30 2009 04:44 anotak wrote:
On January 29 2009 15:29 MCMcEmcee wrote:
- Ky - 6P (upper-body, above knees), ground VT (full), air VT (strike), Greed Sever (foot and goes airborne)

aren't these attacks the exact same in the other games??
and is 6P even a launcher???

I play Ky... hmmm.


he didn't list launchers but all the invincible moves he could think about

wait why
wasn't he complaining about invincible launchers?????
i don't understand how that's any different than the guilty gears that came before because i'm pretty sure ky had those exact same moves before?


well yeah, it's a bit confusing
ky had these moves before, mcmcmc just wanted to list all of the invincible moves
And all is illuminated.
anotak
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1537 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-29 21:40:03
January 29 2009 21:30 GMT
#2131
On January 30 2009 00:34 H wrote:
20 bucks says he played Sagat.

I didn't stick around to watch

at NEC he played chunli and balrog though

On January 30 2009 05:42 freelander wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2009 05:34 anotak wrote:
On January 30 2009 04:45 freelander wrote:
On January 30 2009 04:44 anotak wrote:
On January 29 2009 15:29 MCMcEmcee wrote:
- Ky - 6P (upper-body, above knees), ground VT (full), air VT (strike), Greed Sever (foot and goes airborne)

aren't these attacks the exact same in the other games??
and is 6P even a launcher???

I play Ky... hmmm.


he didn't list launchers but all the invincible moves he could think about

wait why
wasn't he complaining about invincible launchers?????
i don't understand how that's any different than the guilty gears that came before because i'm pretty sure ky had those exact same moves before?


well yeah, it's a bit confusing
ky had these moves before, mcmcmc just wanted to list all of the invincible moves

why?
I don't understand what's wrong with 6P being upper body invulnerable? you need antiair or the game will be like hnk or something
MCMcEmcee
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1609 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-30 00:09:19
January 30 2009 00:07 GMT
#2132
On January 30 2009 06:30 anotak wrote:well yeah, it's a bit confusing
ky had these moves before, mcmcmc just wanted to list all of the invincible moves


I didn't list every invincible move, I just listed which ones start a combo (incidentally I forgot ABA c.S which KILLS YOU on hit).
Oh wait that's all of them. Oops.

Ky upper-body invul 6P isn't new and it isn't the problem (though tbh he has 2H, jK, jP, jS, VT, 1F jump airthrow, etc. for anti-airs anyways), the problem is a game that favors "oh just throw this out there" low-risk/amazing reward moves. The game certainly doesn't hurt for lack of anti-airs (neither does HnK, which mostly suffers from triangle jumps being nigh-unseeable and combos that instant kill and instant kills that combo).
Rushing down with Jam and don't know how to open up your opponent's guard? No problem, just do 6H to jack up their guardbar, get huge frame advantage, and if it happened to hit you probably win that round. Or you need to get in somehow but your movement sucks and you don't know how to approach people? Who cares, FB puffball your way in.
Slayer has an entire movelist's worth of low-risk/THEY DIE reward moves. K, 2K, 6K, anti-air P, 6P, c.S, f.S, anti-air 2S, 2H, 6H, 2D, jH, P Mappa... then of course high risk/THEY DIE HARDER reward moves like BBU, DoT.
Or look at Eddie, his stupid pet shadow has invincibility frames no for no good reason, which it most certainly doesn't need but hey Eddie players make good use of it.
May K and H go over lows which screws up a lot of people, since that's free pressure/combo for her. She also can just mash K to get out of throws, or do meaty K to CH people who for some reason try to wakeup throw May. May's H just kinda kills people in general, CH = you lose ahahaha and it's incredibly hard to punish on whiff (hitbox stays out for a long time, recovers pretty quickly). Of course May is just infamous for her H button- jH is a wall that will kill you if you try to fight it head on, 2H and 5H frame traps and counter-pokes are stupid good... only 2H could be said to be risky in the slightest, but all of those give huge rewards for moves you really don't have to think much about. Oh and her command grab is throw invincible, go figure.
Why Potemkin has an invincible, unblockable combo starter that sets itself up again is beyond me.

Then you look slightly lower on the tier list, and you see...
Ky has a bunch of low risk, medium reward moves. He has the 6P of the gods but doesn't really have a massive combo to back it up (though the combo off it ain't bad). CH 2H is really good, and a smart Ky player can get plenty of those. Fireballs are still good, all of his normals are still good, Ky doesn't really have to take a ton of risks... he just doesn't rape you for free on hit (though he jacks up guardbar decently so it still hurts).
Axl is like the fighting game version of a jump rope simulator. Don't jump at the wrong time or you lose. Still, he doesn't have to take a ton of risks, and forces his opponent to take big risks- though Axl tends to be more of a medium-risk/high-reward character. Having a really good 6P and a fast uppercut that trades in his favor (big combo off a lot of trades) helps by giving him panic buttons that are actually not huge risks, either.

Look a bit lower, it's characters like Sol who have high-risk/high-reward stuff (VV, GV, Wild Throw) or Robo-Ky.

If you look at the bottom characters, you have a character with high-risk/medium-to-high reward (depending on coins, meter, alignment of the stars) in Johnny, whose old saving grace of doing more damage than everybody just... doesn't happen 'cuz he does about as much damage (if not less in a lot of situations) as he always has, and everybody else does more.
You have Anji, whose invincible fairly low-risk "throw it out there move" doesn't really give him a lot, but short of his opponent giving him a perfect opportunity, it's that or he fishes for high-risk/low-reward stuff.
You have I-No, who doesn't actually have a good invincible move to just toss out... or really many good moves to just toss out and get results with. She spends most of her time throwing Chemical Love and notes from fullscreen till something sticks, then she maybe gets pressure that might connect. Yeah her mixups are still crazy (though still kinda risky) and her damage is pretty good (though same problem as Johnny, everybody else caught up and she got worse)... but the game just wasn't built for her to succeed (same with Dizzy, really).

This is the case at like, every skill level. Intermediate AC is dominated by randomly throwing out your invincible launcher better than your opponent does. High level AC has more movement and poking/zoning/spacing and stuff, but then it's like "oh here's a great place for me to just throw this out" oh it worked 70% combo, accentu core~
[iHs]MCMcEmcee@UFO | のヮの
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
January 30 2009 00:49 GMT
#2133
man mcmcemcee... some long but nice gg posts.....

also rog seems really good in sf4... might main him or sak....

plus when u do his headbutt-> ultra i love saying "time to get PAID!!!!"
Forever Young
MCMcEmcee
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1609 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-30 01:04:04
January 30 2009 01:03 GMT
#2134
On January 30 2009 09:49 sung_moon wrote:
also rog seems really good in sf4... might main him or sak....

plus when u do his headbutt-> ultra i love saying "time to get PAID!!!!"

Yeah Rog is good, great offensive stuff, good safe rushdown stuff, a billion armor break moves, damage is good. Fun character, though not one I would play in SF4.

tbh I'm playing Sagat just to speed up my rise to "can beat people worse than me and steal games off people who are better than me" in time for a tournament this weekend lulz
[iHs]MCMcEmcee@UFO | のヮの
SayaSP
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Laos5494 Posts
January 30 2009 01:09 GMT
#2135
lol ur a fag. what about fubarcade major?
[iHs]SSP | I-NO-KI BOM-BA-YE | のヮの http://tinyurl.com/MLIStheCV , MLIS.
H
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
New Zealand6138 Posts
January 30 2009 02:15 GMT
#2136
CrimsonDisaster coming to a tournament near you.

From what I hear, Rog is really good and also fairly easy to play in SF4. I don't hear it in those words though, it's usually "fucking brain dead Rogs" and other such complaints ~
I need to level up my Dictator.. and my Devil Jin. And my Casshern. The plight of a fighting game player ~
[iHs]HCO | のヮの | pachi & plexa ownz | RIP _
Scooter
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States747 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-30 05:48:09
January 30 2009 05:46 GMT
#2137
Rog is like Q on crack, minus the flashy combos, unless you count his ex overhead loop (don't even know if it's a combo :x). Edit: well, at least in my opinion command grab->ex dash->cancer kick is cooler than Headbutt->Ultra. Coming from 3S you can't go wrong with sagat or Ryu if you don't have interest in learning anything too new. I wish there was a character that played like Urien (gimmicky but playable), but so far Fuerte's the best match for me. Learning him was a real bitch, but seeing people's faces after getting HP loop off is priceless. Once console's coming out I'm getting that thing to 7 reps I tell ya.

Interesting Roboky discussion too. Venom's still my main, but I wanted to learn a rush down character so I'm still hovering around robo and I-no. I've already put a lot of time into I-no and I can get some games on decent players now, but Roboky's abare is hilarious. Lvl 3 pony into combo or random poke into 2HS frc combo is the shit.
My unblocks gets yo curleh mustache wet のωの
H
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
New Zealand6138 Posts
January 30 2009 07:52 GMT
#2138
Only BBC...

+ Show Spoiler [JJBA Jotaro vs Pet Shop] +
[iHs]HCO | のヮの | pachi & plexa ownz | RIP _
MCMcEmcee
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1609 Posts
January 30 2009 09:22 GMT
#2139
I used to play Viper but it got too pricey to try to learn that kind of a character in a game I didn't want to invest a ton of time into when I was practicing GGAC and AH2, so yeah. I like how Chun plays and I was playing her for like a month, but general lack of time + general desire for big damage combos + tournament this weekend = stick with Sagat till SF4 console lolol
[iHs]MCMcEmcee@UFO | のヮの
freelander
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Hungary4707 Posts
January 30 2009 13:50 GMT
#2140
fuck yeah
I could do twice the following Dizzy combo in ggxx#reload:
whatever whatever 2D 236HS FRC IAD j.P j.H land j.P j.P j.S jc j.P j.HS

the timing after the IAD is super hard ~~
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