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KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
April 27 2010 18:23 GMT
#17201
I'm going to have to agree with Poke. Raging like that isn't snapping people back to reality. It's being immature. I find most people are actually pretty open to orders especially if you're the team captain or a leader role anyway. Do you really want to be "that guy" from the Onyxia wipe video? Because in the end, that's what raging sounds like.
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-27 18:27:21
April 27 2010 18:26 GMT
#17202
On April 28 2010 03:11 MYM.Testie wrote:
You can't afford to tell them after the game because it will be lost.
You snap those mother fuckers back to reality while you're playing and get them to do their job.
If you're doing your job, they better fucking be doing theirs.


So what? Losing one game isn't a big deal, especially if it's a pubbie that no one gives a shit about. You can help people in a productive manner during the game if it's an urgent issue.
Semipro Terran player | Pokebunny#1710 | twitter.com/Pokebunny | twitch.tv/Pokebunny | facebook.com/PokebunnySC
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
April 27 2010 18:30 GMT
#17203
On April 28 2010 03:23 KissBlade wrote:
I'm going to have to agree with Poke. Raging like that isn't snapping people back to reality. It's being immature. I find most people are actually pretty open to orders especially if you're the team captain or a leader role anyway. Do you really want to be "that guy" from the Onyxia wipe video? Because in the end, that's what raging sounds like.


My rage is constructive.
It snaps you back to do your job.
I don't rage to destroy the team and just to keep calling someone bad, I call them out to do their job.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
April 27 2010 18:47 GMT
#17204
On April 28 2010 03:30 MYM.Testie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2010 03:23 KissBlade wrote:
I'm going to have to agree with Poke. Raging like that isn't snapping people back to reality. It's being immature. I find most people are actually pretty open to orders especially if you're the team captain or a leader role anyway. Do you really want to be "that guy" from the Onyxia wipe video? Because in the end, that's what raging sounds like.


My rage is constructive.
It snaps you back to do your job.
I don't rage to destroy the team and just to keep calling someone bad, I call them out to do their job.


Is there really no way to tell them peacefully?

Everyone go check http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=121894
Semipro Terran player | Pokebunny#1710 | twitter.com/Pokebunny | twitch.tv/Pokebunny | facebook.com/PokebunnySC
Wala.Revolution
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
7582 Posts
April 27 2010 18:56 GMT
#17205
Constructive rages are fine. From the viewpoint of the ragee (lol) the mistakes are so flagrantly bad. Guy I scrim with yells because I'm making simple (to him) mistakes. Now, he could say 'next time _______' and he usually does. However it's like retreating from two lurkers with mnm for example.

Other rage is where you just blame or just vent out anger because you made a mistake. Most likely, however, is that everyone made a mistake and everyone is blaming others.
Stuck.
ltiy
Profile Joined April 2010
107 Posts
April 27 2010 18:59 GMT
#17206
East/West DotA pubbing, without at least one friend you can count on, is unbearable. You've gotta have someone who's got ya back, even if you play casually like I do.
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-27 19:29:29
April 27 2010 19:21 GMT
#17207
On April 28 2010 02:03 floppity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2010 01:18 Pokebunny wrote:
On April 28 2010 01:07 Judicator wrote:
On April 28 2010 01:01 Pokebunny wrote:
Actually, does anyone wanna start a practice/pubstomp team? I'm tired of playing with retarded setups in pubs, maybe we could get a few guys playing together consistently with similar heroes/roles and try to improve and actually have proper teamplay. If we actually are dedicated we can do scrims and all the other good stuff that teams do. I dunno, I just wanna get a feel for how "real" teamplay would feel, where you are comfortable with all your allies etc.


That's all fine and dandy until you start losing and then all shit breaks lose, testie's rage isn't all that exaggerated or unwarranted.

Like I said, get 5, start scrims or higher level pugs, that's the best way to go. Otherwise you'll just do the same dumbshit that regular pubbies do just at a higher level.


Contrary to popular belief, not 100% of DotA/HoN players rage or blame their teammates when they lose. I myself rarely do it.. I honestly don't have a problem with losing games. Ideally we would be able to take our losses constructively and improve upon our mistakes.


in high level competitive games this usually doesn't happen. i think it happens at least 10x more often in tda's/pubs/hlr's etc


you obviously never been in vents of competitive players, maelk one of the chillest person you'll meet will rage, babyknight one of the coolest dudes you'll talk to will rage, ducky one of the most tolerant and patient individuals you'll see will rage. And those are the nice people, then you have the Russians (when they're not drunk out of their minds) and the Americans (most but not all).

and no, you don't do that after the games, losing because said players repeat the same mistakes over and over and over again is dumb, it doesn't improve team play it doesn't help them personally, if you don't shape up and change right there there's no reason to play the next 20 minutes expecting you to do the same dumb shit over and over and over again.

raging after games is counterproductive, as long as you have something constructive to say, then it really doesn't matter how you say it.

unless you really enjoy losing to something you saw coming from 2 minutes from the game starts in which case why do you even care who you play with?

On April 28 2010 03:23 KissBlade wrote:
I'm going to have to agree with Poke. Raging like that isn't snapping people back to reality. It's being immature. I find most people are actually pretty open to orders especially if you're the team captain or a leader role anyway. Do you really want to be "that guy" from the Onyxia wipe video? Because in the end, that's what raging sounds like.


If that's all you can hear when someone has a valid point when they rage at you, then you'll never improve.
Get it by your hands...
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
April 27 2010 19:30 GMT
#17208
On April 28 2010 02:03 floppity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2010 01:18 Pokebunny wrote:
On April 28 2010 01:07 Judicator wrote:
On April 28 2010 01:01 Pokebunny wrote:
Actually, does anyone wanna start a practice/pubstomp team? I'm tired of playing with retarded setups in pubs, maybe we could get a few guys playing together consistently with similar heroes/roles and try to improve and actually have proper teamplay. If we actually are dedicated we can do scrims and all the other good stuff that teams do. I dunno, I just wanna get a feel for how "real" teamplay would feel, where you are comfortable with all your allies etc.


That's all fine and dandy until you start losing and then all shit breaks lose, testie's rage isn't all that exaggerated or unwarranted.

Like I said, get 5, start scrims or higher level pugs, that's the best way to go. Otherwise you'll just do the same dumbshit that regular pubbies do just at a higher level.


Contrary to popular belief, not 100% of DotA/HoN players rage or blame their teammates when they lose. I myself rarely do it.. I honestly don't have a problem with losing games. Ideally we would be able to take our losses constructively and improve upon our mistakes.


in high level competitive games this usually doesn't happen. i think it happens at least 10x more often in tda's/pubs/hlr's etc

it happens more often than you think. judicator hasn't mentioned misery rage... you don't need to play with misery to know it. i haven't seen a lot of asian rage though, maybe its their mentality. then again i wish more people had asian mentalities to dota etc.
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-27 19:37:02
April 27 2010 19:35 GMT
#17209
On April 28 2010 04:30 rabidch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2010 02:03 floppity wrote:
On April 28 2010 01:18 Pokebunny wrote:
On April 28 2010 01:07 Judicator wrote:
On April 28 2010 01:01 Pokebunny wrote:
Actually, does anyone wanna start a practice/pubstomp team? I'm tired of playing with retarded setups in pubs, maybe we could get a few guys playing together consistently with similar heroes/roles and try to improve and actually have proper teamplay. If we actually are dedicated we can do scrims and all the other good stuff that teams do. I dunno, I just wanna get a feel for how "real" teamplay would feel, where you are comfortable with all your allies etc.


That's all fine and dandy until you start losing and then all shit breaks lose, testie's rage isn't all that exaggerated or unwarranted.

Like I said, get 5, start scrims or higher level pugs, that's the best way to go. Otherwise you'll just do the same dumbshit that regular pubbies do just at a higher level.


Contrary to popular belief, not 100% of DotA/HoN players rage or blame their teammates when they lose. I myself rarely do it.. I honestly don't have a problem with losing games. Ideally we would be able to take our losses constructively and improve upon our mistakes.


in high level competitive games this usually doesn't happen. i think it happens at least 10x more often in tda's/pubs/hlr's etc

it happens more often than you think. judicator hasn't mentioned misery rage... you don't need to play with misery to know it. i haven't seen a lot of asian rage though, maybe its their mentality. then again i wish more people had asian mentalities to dota etc.


Misery rage is hilarious, I heard him on IDEC vent once, him and Dendi were going at it and it was just pure gold listening to Euros with broken English flame each other. Kebap is only one I know that takes it too far. Ducky's rage is just pure comedy, he's so passive with it but you can tell he's pissed off, "zzz why do I have to gank with no stuns?".

Basically it's this, whenever a top player says (with about 1-2 exceptions) that DotA needs clean up the raging and flaming, they can start with themselves before even thinking of others.
Get it by your hands...
Elegance
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada917 Posts
April 27 2010 19:36 GMT
#17210
On April 28 2010 01:01 Pokebunny wrote:
Actually, does anyone wanna start a practice/pubstomp team? I'm tired of playing with retarded setups in pubs, maybe we could get a few guys playing together consistently with similar heroes/roles and try to improve and actually have proper teamplay. If we actually are dedicated we can do scrims and all the other good stuff that teams do. I dunno, I just wanna get a feel for how "real" teamplay would feel, where you are comfortable with all your allies etc.

Sure, I dont think anyone has actually seen me rage, since im the one that gets raged at, but w/e, i'll be the first to admit that i am bad, nothing to deny there, I am constantly trying to improve, but there hasnt been much opportunities for me to do that, this seems like a fine opportunity. I would llove to play with the other guys, but i just think im not good enough most of the times, dont wanna let people down, so i guess i gotta take a different approach.
Power of Ze
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
April 27 2010 19:46 GMT
#17211
Actually, on our team there is very little to no rage for the most part. And the ones we play with from Dota, H4nn1 and Levent are quite calm. We're all mature enough to know who fucked up and what happened and why. H4nn1` especially is really just an amazing guy who everyone should look up to in the case of how to conduct oneself.

I however, will say, "ok, here I was raping face, and it's 9 minutes in and 2 people were at bottom rune when I went for it. Why could I not see them?"
Translation: Do your fucking job, why the fuck am I dying because you can't do your job.
Get the wards down there. When I play support the map is bathed in sunlight.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
April 27 2010 19:54 GMT
#17212
On April 28 2010 04:46 MYM.Testie wrote:
Actually, on our team there is very little to no rage for the most part. And the ones we play with from Dota, H4nn1 and Levent are quite calm. We're all mature enough to know who fucked up and what happened and why. H4nn1` especially is really just an amazing guy who everyone should look up to in the case of how to conduct oneself.

I however, will say, "ok, here I was raping face, and it's 9 minutes in and 2 people were at bottom rune when I went for it. Why could I not see them?"
Translation: Do your fucking job, why the fuck am I dying because you can't do your job.
Get the wards down there. When I play support the map is bathed in sunlight.


That's because you know that shit will get done before the next time around. Some supporters on the other hand...
Get it by your hands...
Etherone
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1898 Posts
April 27 2010 19:58 GMT
#17213
On April 28 2010 03:11 MYM.Testie wrote:
You can't afford to tell them after the game because it will be lost.
You snap those mother fuckers back to reality while you're playing and get them to do their job.
If you're doing your job, they better fucking be doing theirs.

you forgot the caps
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
April 27 2010 20:18 GMT
#17214
On April 28 2010 04:46 MYM.Testie wrote:
Actually, on our team there is very little to no rage for the most part. And the ones we play with from Dota, H4nn1 and Levent are quite calm. We're all mature enough to know who fucked up and what happened and why. H4nn1` especially is really just an amazing guy who everyone should look up to in the case of how to conduct oneself.

I however, will say, "ok, here I was raping face, and it's 9 minutes in and 2 people were at bottom rune when I went for it. Why could I not see them?"
Translation: Do your fucking job, why the fuck am I dying because you can't do your job.
Get the wards down there. When I play support the map is bathed in sunlight.


That's totally understandable, and I'm actually relieved to know that people are mature at the top of the pyramid.
Semipro Terran player | Pokebunny#1710 | twitter.com/Pokebunny | twitch.tv/Pokebunny | facebook.com/PokebunnySC
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
April 27 2010 20:21 GMT
#17215
Hmmm... our team is kind of an exception in that regard. A lot of teams disband and reform. Especially European teams it seems.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
April 27 2010 20:21 GMT
#17216
On April 28 2010 05:18 Pokebunny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2010 04:46 MYM.Testie wrote:
Actually, on our team there is very little to no rage for the most part. And the ones we play with from Dota, H4nn1 and Levent are quite calm. We're all mature enough to know who fucked up and what happened and why. H4nn1` especially is really just an amazing guy who everyone should look up to in the case of how to conduct oneself.

I however, will say, "ok, here I was raping face, and it's 9 minutes in and 2 people were at bottom rune when I went for it. Why could I not see them?"
Translation: Do your fucking job, why the fuck am I dying because you can't do your job.
Get the wards down there. When I play support the map is bathed in sunlight.


That's totally understandable, and I'm actually relieved to know that people are mature at the top of the pyramid.


Playing with teammates != playing with pugs, regardless of level.
Get it by your hands...
Wala.Revolution
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
7582 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-27 20:43:03
April 27 2010 20:24 GMT
#17217
Actually my point is moot.
Stuck.
DCLXVI
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States729 Posts
April 27 2010 20:49 GMT
#17218
So if I get on the teamliquid channel will I find people who are willing to play with bad players like me?
I can already see the ending
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
April 27 2010 21:03 GMT
#17219
On April 28 2010 04:58 Etherone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2010 03:11 MYM.Testie wrote:
YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO TELL THEM AFTER THE GAME BECAUSE IT WILL BE LOST.
YOU SNAP THOSE MOTHER FUCKERS BACK TO REALITY WHILE YOU'RE PLAYING AND GET THEM TO DO THEIR JOB.
IF YOU'RE DOING YOUR JOB, THEY BETTER FUCKING BE DOING THEIRS.

you forgot the caps

fixed, doesn't it seem so much better?
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
paper
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13196 Posts
April 27 2010 21:07 GMT
#17220
On April 28 2010 06:03 rabidch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2010 04:58 Etherone wrote:
On April 28 2010 03:11 MYM.Testie wrote:
YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO TELL THEM AFTER THE GAME BECAUSE IT WILL BE LOST.
YOU SNAP THOSE MOTHER FUCKERS BACK TO REALITY WHILE YOU'RE PLAYING AND GET THEM TO DO THEIR JOB.
IF YOU'RE DOING YOUR JOB, THEY BETTER FUCKING BE DOING THEIRS.

you forgot the caps

fixed, doesn't it seem so much better?


excellent work rabidch
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