A few other questions:

1. Are there any rules for TL IHs? Are there banned heroes? What about pooling and back-dooring?

Uh, actually that was basically it.

Oh, and is bottle still worth buying for heroes that needed it before, like NS or PotM?

paper

13196 Posts

February 27 2008 05:42 GMT

#1503

no one from TL can play top tier heroes well enough to warrant a ban :s

bottle is shit on potm

rpf

United States2705 Posts

February 27 2008 05:58 GMT

#1504

Well, I think she's about as close as you can get to an agi caster. All of her abilities are actives; not a single passive. Between arrow, leap, starfall, and the occasional ult, you have no mana.

Live2Win

United States6657 Posts

February 27 2008 05:58 GMT

#1505

ok someone let me join again.

I've been playing a bit of Dota and I think I got the hang of the game now.

Clan's full though

I'm TL.Live2Win

paper

13196 Posts

February 27 2008 06:23 GMT

#1506

On February 27 2008 14:58 rpf wrote:
Well, I think she's about as close as you can get to an agi caster. All of her abilities are actives; not a single passive. Between arrow, leap, starfall, and the occasional ult, you have no mana.

that's why you get arcane

live2win: ggc site is down atm

{ToT}Strafe

Thailand7026 Posts

February 27 2008 08:37 GMT

#1507

rofl arcane on potm you must be mad

BlueRoyaL

United States2493 Posts

February 27 2008 08:38 GMT

#1508

imo bottle > arcane on potm.
no clue what others have to say but it's mostly for rune control, rune's are just too fucking good on her to pass by so usually after bottle i rush BoT then to my cores. Although bottle has been nerfed, it hasn't been nerfed to the point of absolute uselessness. i still think it's good enough to buy, atleast for the hero's that are gonna be hogging/controlling the runes.

dunno what your potm build is but usually i max out arrow/starfall with one leap, then stats stats stats which should eliminate the mana need of arcane. imo i've never really seen the need for arcane on potm

BlueRoyaL

United States2493 Posts

February 27 2008 08:40 GMT

#1509

MEH but after seeing this:

no one from TL can play top tier heroes well enough to warrant a ban :s

bottle is shit on potm

i've decided for lower level ihs and pubs arcane can be okay = _=;;
didn't even see that last part about bottle being shit on potm but that's ABSOLUTELY wrong.

paper

13196 Posts

February 27 2008 09:08 GMT

#1510

you guys act like you need a bottle to effectively use runes, and that you're the only hero that will ever obtain runes -_-

why bottle is shit now and arcane is king on potm:
potm is a gank hero that easily transitions into a carry.
why? she farms fast as shit.
how? by spamming starfall whenever she wants and constantly ganking and getting kills
how? arcane ring.

bottle --
70*3 = 210 regen every 2 minutes, if someone hasn't got the rune already / it's on your side of the map
that's two arrows, or one starfall and some mana, and you already have shit mana pool
potm does NOT want to go back to fountain every time she can't get a rune and needs regen.

arcane --
+300 max mana, 110 regen every 30 seconds, guaranteed
accelerates farming anytime, lets you spam arrow liberally

the only downfall of arcane is that it'll take time to get it, whereas bottle is cheaper, but, honestly, you get what you pay for, and arcane takes complete advantage of her imba abilities, whereas bottle is a shitty alternative

paper

13196 Posts

February 27 2008 09:13 GMT

#1511

plus, arcane helps your entire team, cannot be dispelled, and you can sell it later if need be for more than 50 gold rofl -_-

bottle is shit in .51 i don't know how you guys can even attempt to argue

edit: even perseverance rapes bottle so hard

Butigroove

Seychelles2061 Posts

February 27 2008 09:36 GMT

#1512

On February 27 2008 18:08 paper wrote:
you guys act like you need a bottle to effectively use runes, and that you're the only hero that will ever obtain runes -_-

why bottle is shit now and arcane is king on potm:
potm is a gank hero that easily transitions into a carry.
why? she farms fast as shit.
how? by spamming starfall whenever she wants and constantly ganking and getting kills
how? arcane ring.

bottle --
70*3 = 210 regen every 2 minutes, if someone hasn't got the rune already / it's on your side of the map +405 hp
that's two arrows, or one starfall and some mana, and you already have shit mana pool
potm does NOT want to go back to fountain every time she can't get a rune and needs regen.

arcane --
+300 max mana, 110 regen every 30 seconds, guaranteed
accelerates farming anytime, lets you spam arrow liberally

the only downfall of arcane is that it'll take time to get it, whereas bottle is cheaper, but, honestly, you get what you pay for, and arcane takes complete advantage of her imba abilities, whereas bottle is a shitty alternative

Bottle 600 gold
Arcane 1700 gold
If you factor in the extra regen (hp) items you will need, because you don't have an early bottle, it's even worse.

Bottle is made for gank heroes, and ESPECIALLY non int, low-mana gank heros. (i.e. Mirana)

Even though bottle is nerfed, you get the same ammount(tiny bit more actually) of regen per rune 400/190 vs 405/210
Bottle gives you lane stayability.
Bottle gives you rune control.
Without bottle, you won't be able to gank till 10+ minutes when you get an arcane.

Also, chicken can refill bottle now, so ideally you don't really ever have to return to base if you didn't rune.
With arcane you will be returning to base MORE often, seeing as you have no HP regen.

Let a support/chain nuker get arcane, there is also the limit to 1 per team to be wary of.

evanthebouncy!

United States12796 Posts

February 27 2008 10:00 GMT

#1513

Tiger needs everything

Low life Low hp jfdklsa;

evanthebouncy!

United States12796 Posts

February 27 2008 10:01 GMT

#1514

But if you can get arcane early you should shoot for it. Bottle nerf is pretty harsh, I can't heal enough running away from some caster now

evanthebouncy!

United States12796 Posts

February 27 2008 10:26 GMT

#1515

TINY OWNED today, this game I played in pub was almost league like, ended in 30 minutes with constant ganking. Their troll, antimage are so pissed hahaha

zulu_nation8

China26351 Posts

February 27 2008 11:48 GMT

#1516

On February 27 2008 14:42 paper wrote:
no one from TL can play top tier heroes well enough to warrant a ban :s

bottle is shit on potm

my qop lol?

{ToT}Strafe

Thailand7026 Posts

February 27 2008 12:00 GMT

#1517

I've never seen a good player make arcanes on potm. I don't play he rmuch so it's hard to really get into this debate, but the fact that no good player uses arcane and always goes bottle is enough for me ^_^

Dagon on potm is hilarious as fuck:D

Avius

Iraq1796 Posts

February 27 2008 12:22 GMT

#1518

On February 27 2008 20:48 zulu_nation8 wrote:

Show nested quote +

my qop lol?

Avius

Iraq1796 Posts

February 27 2008 12:22 GMT

#1519

On February 27 2008 21:00 {ToT}Strafe wrote:
I've never seen a good player make arcanes on potm. I don't play he rmuch so it's hard to really get into this debate, but the fact that no good player uses arcane and always goes bottle is enough for me ^_^

Dagon on every hero I play is hilarious as fuck:D

Fixed, yet again!