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On August 14 2009 02:04 Ace wrote:so like why can't I find replays of Nerubian Assasin? because he's fucking banned in EVERY clan war on gosugamers. 
all the recent games with nerubian on gg, that team loses because the team deliberately sets him up for counter picks. Like loda did with zeus/dirge
That or like spectre zeus. Because nerubian can only essential stop one person from doing something useful, which in itself is fairly useful. But not if he's getting nuked down in .01 seconds. And globals rox him.
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On August 14 2009 06:24 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2009 02:04 Ace wrote:so like why can't I find replays of Nerubian Assasin? because he's fucking banned in EVERY clan war on gosugamers. all the recent games with nerubian on gg, that team loses because the team deliberately sets him up for counter picks. Like loda did with zeus/dirge That or like spectre zeus. Because nerubian can only essential stop one person from doing something useful, which in itself is fairly useful. But not if he's getting nuked down in .01 seconds. And globals rox him.
...People with no understanding should not post. He's banned because he's annoying to play against, just like Zeus is, that is it. Those heroes aren't hard to stop, but annoying to play against. It's really as simple as that.
And nobody counter-picks NA.
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heroes that have to be reworked/modeled because theyre:
- shitty
- boring
- no skill synergy
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treant
sniper
troll
medusa
witch doctor
templar assassin
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as for NA, it's a pretty dangerous pick the more inexperienced your team is because less experienced teams tend to be teamfight oriented instead of map control. It's one of the most banned heroes if not THE most banned hero and yet it has a pretty low win ratio from what I see.
I'm not sure how serious you are OBA but I'd suggest other ways to 'counter' NA. For example when the other team picks NA, I usually like to take heroes like puck potm (high survivability: lets your team spread out through the map and push multiple lanes without getting buttraped by NA). Another option is hero that can get necrobook3 up early. Summon necrobook -> push -> useless NA and fast necrobook on the right heroes is strong anyway, with or without NA. I used to pick necro every time I saw NA because necro farms insanely fast + heal <3 but then it turned out necro was imba (banned) WL is also good vs NA, support hero with nice stats, heal, and doesnt get owned hard by manaburn
Don't screw up your lineup at the cost of countering specific heroes T_T team synergy comes first
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tree and dusa rock, gtfo! how can you not enjoy PLANTING FORESTS OF LOVE and GAZING AT PEOPLE while you ROOT BITCHES TO THE GROUND and throw MYSTIC SNAKEZ
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not only is tree one of the most boring heroes in the game, he always makes the game boring as shit for everyone. All his skills are completely out of sync with each other. +armor + invi + scouting + entangle = ? Maybe because he's one of the older heroes. Look at kunkka for example, synergy -> good hero + fun.
medusa, more useless than ursa. has no clear role. farms, gets items, and tries to be less useless. not to mention no skill synergy.
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but...planting forests.. and.. gazing at people. what more do you need?
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On August 14 2009 08:51 Heen wrote:not only is tree one of the most boring heroes in the game, he always makes the game boring as shit for everyone. All his skills are completely out of sync with each other. +armor + invi + scouting + entangle = ? Maybe because he's one of the older heroes. Look at kunkka for example, synergy -> good hero + fun. medusa, more useless than ursa. has no clear role. farms, gets items, and tries to be less useless. not to mention no skill synergy.
All Tree has going for it at this point is his high stat gain.
Medusa is useful.....if the other team is staring at you. I've found Force Staff useful on her, namely to initiate a team fight, push one towards you, drop your ulti, start a team fight 
They need to rework Mana Shield and speed up Mystic Snake cause you can almost outrun that shit.
Don't screw up your lineup at the cost of countering specific heroes T_T team synergy comes first
Unless they get TC and/or Batrider then you pay attention to their and/or your lanes.
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On August 14 2009 09:39 Judicator wrote:Medusa is useful.....if the other team is staring at you. I've found Force Staff useful on her, namely to initiate a team fight, push one towards you, drop your ulti, start a team fight
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
YEAH, BECAUSE YOU REALLY USE FORCE STAFF SO MUCH THAT IT'S USEFUL.
What the fuck if you want to start misplacing their heros get a pudge or a VS ffs.
And furthermore
Like lets look at what it does, blocks some damage (which will mostly work against creeps), gets you some health, gives some regen. Then look at its cost, 1100+875+350, not a really cheap or effective first item. Like Axe doesn't get it unless they really plan on winning quick. Like on Str. Heroes, bracers are enough, the Vanguard isn't going to save you, if you want to regen, Hood is better and it doesn't lose effectiveness (the block damage isn't much when people are throwing spells and hard hits at you), if you need the health, bracers are cheaper and just as effective if not more since you get some stats out of it. There really isn't a hero that can say, this will be really beneficial for a period of time. This is why I say this item is worthless, it has a narrow timing window where it really shines and then it just becomes pretty crappy for the money invested; if it gave a slight damage increase like +10 or +15 then yes it is pretty solid. But for what it is, increasing block chance/damage and +1 HP regen isn't much (remember Bracers are more useful).
WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS GARBAGE. HOOD SUCKS DONKEY DICK IN THE JUNGLE.
IT SHOULD LOOK A LOT MORE LIKE THIS.
Like lets look at what it does, blocks some damage (which will mostly work against creeps), gets you some health, gives some regen. Then look at its cost, 1100+875+350, not a really cheap or effective first item. Like Axe doesn't get it unless they really plan on winning quick. Like on Str. Heroes, bracers are enough, the Vanguard isn't going to save you, if you want to regen, Hood is better and it doesn't lose effectiveness (the block damage isn't much when people are throwing spells and hard hits at you), if you need the health, bracers are cheaper and just as effective if not more since you get some stats out of it. There really isn't a hero that can say, this will be really beneficial for a period of time. This is why I say this item is worthless, it has a narrow timing window where it really shines and then it just becomes pretty crappy for the money invested; if it gave a slight damage increase like +10 or +15 then yes it is pretty solid. But for what it is, increasing block chance/damage and +1 HP regen isn't much (remember Bracers are more useful).
Vanguard is a good item on axe. The fucking end. You know what int heros do between their fucking nukes? Attack the shit out of you. You know what you do with +250 hp and dmg block? Probably block a lot o those hits.
god fucking balls go attack a lvl 6 camp with hood and lose 600 hp enjoy ur fucking jungling and try to use your shit to 'gank'
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Yeah heroes fire off spells when you call =|
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On August 14 2009 08:15 Judicator wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2009 06:24 Divinek wrote:On August 14 2009 02:04 Ace wrote:so like why can't I find replays of Nerubian Assasin? because he's fucking banned in EVERY clan war on gosugamers. all the recent games with nerubian on gg, that team loses because the team deliberately sets him up for counter picks. Like loda did with zeus/dirge That or like spectre zeus. Because nerubian can only essential stop one person from doing something useful, which in itself is fairly useful. But not if he's getting nuked down in .01 seconds. And globals rox him. ...People with no understanding should not post. He's banned because he's annoying to play against, just like Zeus is, that is it. Those heroes aren't hard to stop, but annoying to play against. It's really as simple as that. And nobody counter-picks NA.
I should say the same about your lack of understanding.
Nerubian is absolutely lethal with the right back up, he's undeniably the best ganker in the game and can usually take down any carry early game himself there by strengthening his own carry. His usefulness dwindless as the game goes beyond being able to burst people down with dagon and stuff. But the advantage even a semi competent person playing that hero can bring your team is ridiculous.
Being able to go invisible and initiate a team fight by taking out the other teams most powerful component by just using his ult>stun>manaburn and not having to farm a blink dagger to do it is a little bit better than 'annoying' it's game breaking and can lead to massive pushes and game enders.
No one directly counters him no, but getting any globals ensures he cant escape invis either which is nice, and he's really squishy etc.
And if you think zeus is a hero that's 'easy to stop' you're retarded. He's the best glass cannon out there and obv has the -FUCKHIMUP ability. So yeah, he's more than just annoying.
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O LOOK MEDUSA WITH A FORCE STAFF IS COMING WE GOT KILLER INITIATE.
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and while I pretty much ban NA every game, I honestly don't think he's THAT difficult to deal with. Mana burn is just a super bitch.
My favourite carry to run (that I don't run too often) is probably Slardar.
I think he's just the fucking balls.
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oh yeah he's not insta win or anything, id just group him a bit higher up the list than 'annoying'. Depends on the team he's againts too etc. And yeah slards cool
I should add when i think of annoying I'm like 'oh drows ice arrows are annoying' or 'huskars spears are annoying'. Then again huskars ult scales but yeah
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On August 14 2009 09:49 MYM.Testie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2009 09:39 Judicator wrote:Medusa is useful.....if the other team is staring at you. I've found Force Staff useful on her, namely to initiate a team fight, push one towards you, drop your ulti, start a team fight WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? YEAH, BECAUSE YOU REALLY USE FORCE STAFF SO MUCH THAT IT'S USEFUL. What the fuck if you want to start misplacing their heros get a pudge or a VS ffs. And furthermore Show nested quote +Like lets look at what it does, blocks some damage (which will mostly work against creeps), gets you some health, gives some regen. Then look at its cost, 1100+875+350, not a really cheap or effective first item. Like Axe doesn't get it unless they really plan on winning quick. Like on Str. Heroes, bracers are enough, the Vanguard isn't going to save you, if you want to regen, Hood is better and it doesn't lose effectiveness (the block damage isn't much when people are throwing spells and hard hits at you), if you need the health, bracers are cheaper and just as effective if not more since you get some stats out of it. There really isn't a hero that can say, this will be really beneficial for a period of time. This is why I say this item is worthless, it has a narrow timing window where it really shines and then it just becomes pretty crappy for the money invested; if it gave a slight damage increase like +10 or +15 then yes it is pretty solid. But for what it is, increasing block chance/damage and +1 HP regen isn't much (remember Bracers are more useful). WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS GARBAGE. HOOD SUCKS DONKEY DICK IN THE JUNGLE. IT SHOULD LOOK A LOT MORE LIKE THIS. Show nested quote +Like lets look at what it does, blocks some damage (which will mostly work against creeps), gets you some health, gives some regen. Then look at its cost, 1100+875+350, not a really cheap or effective first item. Like Axe doesn't get it unless they really plan on winning quick. Like on Str. Heroes, bracers are enough, the Vanguard isn't going to save you, if you want to regen, Hood is better and it doesn't lose effectiveness (the block damage isn't much when people are throwing spells and hard hits at you), if you need the health, bracers are cheaper and just as effective if not more since you get some stats out of it. There really isn't a hero that can say, this will be really beneficial for a period of time. This is why I say this item is worthless, it has a narrow timing window where it really shines and then it just becomes pretty crappy for the money invested; if it gave a slight damage increase like +10 or +15 then yes it is pretty solid. But for what it is, increasing block chance/damage and +1 HP regen isn't much (remember Bracers are more useful).
Vanguard is a good item on axe. The fucking end. You know what int heros do between their fucking nukes? Attack the shit out of you. You know what you do with +250 hp and dmg block? Probably block a lot o those hits. god fucking balls go attack a lvl 6 camp with hood and lose 600 hp enjoy ur fucking jungling and try to use your shit to 'gank'
Lol? So let's see here, every decent Axe picks up Hood because they don't know what they are doing while every time an Axe picks up VG in a game his shit gets pushed in, but that's ok. Glad your definition of jungling means you are taking massive damage every time when realistically an Axe with a stout and a helm jungles just as efficiently.
Yep great investment for 2k+ gold, because you know the regen isn't enough and you are taking lots of damage from the casters in the first place right? Yep. They don't keep buffing VG every version because it was such a great item in the first right? Go look at the other items for that price range and tell me how great of an item it is on any hero. VG's for dumbfucks who don't know how to play.
Oh Force Staff is useful in the situation I described, simply cause people face towards the opposing team in a team fight. Guess what VS and Pudge do? Pick off people who are out of position, just like Force Staff.
But you are the kind that *tries* to rush bfury on a post-nerf BB so I guess I am done here.
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On August 14 2009 10:38 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2009 08:15 Judicator wrote:On August 14 2009 06:24 Divinek wrote:On August 14 2009 02:04 Ace wrote:so like why can't I find replays of Nerubian Assasin? because he's fucking banned in EVERY clan war on gosugamers. all the recent games with nerubian on gg, that team loses because the team deliberately sets him up for counter picks. Like loda did with zeus/dirge That or like spectre zeus. Because nerubian can only essential stop one person from doing something useful, which in itself is fairly useful. But not if he's getting nuked down in .01 seconds. And globals rox him. ...People with no understanding should not post. He's banned because he's annoying to play against, just like Zeus is, that is it. Those heroes aren't hard to stop, but annoying to play against. It's really as simple as that. And nobody counter-picks NA. I should say the same about your lack of understanding. Nerubian is absolutely lethal with the right back up, he's undeniably the best ganker in the game and can usually take down any carry early game himself there by strengthening his own carry. His usefulness dwindless as the game goes beyond being able to burst people down with dagon and stuff. But the advantage even a semi competent person playing that hero can bring your team is ridiculous. Being able to go invisible and initiate a team fight by taking out the other teams most powerful component by just using his ult>stun>manaburn and not having to farm a blink dagger to do it is a little bit better than 'annoying' it's game breaking and can lead to massive pushes and game enders. No one directly counters him no, but getting any globals ensures he cant escape invis either which is nice, and he's really squishy etc. And if you think zeus is a hero that's 'easy to stop' you're retarded. He's the best glass cannon out there and obv has the -FUCKHIMUP ability. So yeah, he's more than just annoying.
So I guess reading is fun, you make fun of me but agree with me?
What did I say about NA? Annoying to play against, what did you say? Annoying to play against. How about you find me the replays from any version where the NA is totally dominating with good teams and I'll look for the replays where the NA is getting dicked on constantly because of wards.
You're right, Zeus is so fucking hard to gank that you are better off not ganking him at all, yep, it has nothing to do with the fact that Chain Lightning spam is hard to deny against and Bolt/Wrath stomps juke attempts, yep absolutely not, it can't be the fact that his 800 casting range is one of the highest in the game making it hard to go on him. Christ how the fuck do you guys play against good players, just sit there and get raped?
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i was just saying i find them more solid heros than 'annoying', they bring alot to a team. Maybe you have a different definition of annoying. Even games where nerubians do bad they almost always get alot of kills.
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lol judicator that's a joke build.
if you think I'd actually do that shit vs any team I respected you're out of your fucking mind.
and for fuck sakes
fuck you're bad, shut up
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On August 14 2009 11:04 Divinek wrote:
i was just saying i find them more solid heros than 'annoying', they bring alot to a team. Maybe you have a different definition of annoying. Even games where nerubians do bad they almost always get alot of kills.
The problem with NA is that with bad players they'll sit there and let themselves get mana burned. It's not hard killing him and containing him, of course once you lose map control, he turns into a monster ganker, but the same can be said of a lot of heroes. Mana Burn loses effectiveness later on, Armor is fucking worthless (hurray melee damage return and shit Armor for a low HP agi that can't tank?), Vendetta is going to get sentried/dusted.
He's so high risk that most teams wouldn't even touch him if it wasn't for his mana burn lane control which surprise surprise you can bottle out of. Like having no mana doesn't prevent them from farming, it does make it hard for them to go offensive on you.
You see it a lot, when a team is going for a tower, if their support/wardbitch is worth anything then you will see a sentry being dropped for that team fight.
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On August 14 2009 11:13 MYM.Testie wrote:
lol judicator that's a joke build.
if you think I'd actually do that shit vs any team I respected you're out of your fucking mind.
Yep, sure. So you pick competitive heroes and then do something stupid?
Lol at the bad comment? Rage more please.
Oh one more thing, so your Bfury BB is a joke build, but my Force Staff Medusa isn't. Yep, use your brain please.
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