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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
A fucking stout shield. A super common item. There's people here who dispense great advice. Heen, Alven, etc.. you are not one of them. FORCE STAFF MEDUSA YEAH, LET'S GET THAT BECAUSE WE'D MUCH RATHER HAVE THAT THEN BOT OR AN ACTUAL ITEM. Fucking FORCE STAFF MEDUSA el o el. | ||
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
On August 14 2009 11:13 Judicator wrote: The problem with NA is that with bad players they'll sit there and let themselves get mana burned. It's not hard killing him and containing him, of course once you lose map control, he turns into a monster ganker, but the same can be said of a lot of heroes. Mana Burn loses effectiveness later on, Armor is fucking worthless (hurray melee damage return and shit Armor for a low HP agi that can't tank?), Vendetta is going to get sentried/dusted. He's so high risk that most teams wouldn't even touch him if it wasn't for his mana burn lane control which surprise surprise you can bottle out of. Like having no mana doesn't prevent them from farming, it does make it hard for them to go offensive on you. You see it a lot, when a team is going for a tower, if their support/wardbitch is worth anything then you will see a sentry being dropped for that team fight. Yeah I mostly agree with you that map control is a large part of his strength. I just see his effectiveness in after the initial laning phase when the carry will be alone farming and what not. But assuming the team is smart enough to buy sentry's for pushes and stuff, which suprisingly even pro teams arent sometimes, I see your point. | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On August 14 2009 11:19 MYM.Testie wrote: It's not rage at all. It's talking down to you because you are terribad and you keep talking like you're good in this thread dispensing advice when you got the price to a fucking stout shield wrong. A fucking stout shield. A super common item. There's people here who dispense great advice. Heen, Alven, etc.. you are not one of them. FORCE STAFF MEDUSA YEAH, LET'S GET THAT BECAUSE WE'D MUCH RATHER HAVE THAT THEN BOT OR AN ACTUAL ITEM. Fucking FORCE STAFF MEDUSA el o el. Glad you can read dates Testie, cause when that was posted Stout was 350 gold, but that's ok. BATTLEFURY RUSH BRISTLEBACK POST-NERF YEAH, LET'S GET THAT BECAUSE SOMETHING TO HELP ME TANK IS OVERRATED BECAUSE MY NAME IS TESTIE AND I CAN ONLY RICE. AND THEN I PLAY IT OFF AS A JOKE TO MAKE MYSELF NOT LOOK DUMB. El o El? | ||
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
But they're certainly going to believe hood is ass in a jungle build. | ||
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Nitrogen
United States5345 Posts
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Elemenope
Burkina Faso1704 Posts
Testie owes me a ball tickling night. | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On August 14 2009 11:34 MYM.Testie wrote: I don't think anyone in this thread's gonna believe you. But they're certainly going to believe hood is ass in a jungle build. Lol, good for them, they can stay bad then. I have ran into more than enough TL members the past few days, and all of them talk massive amounts of shit in games, then fucking fail. But its ok, because the great Testie is going to bail them out or rage quit lulz? | ||
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Dark.Carnival
United States5095 Posts
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buckbo1604
Canada186 Posts
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DoYouHas
United States1140 Posts
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nitram
Canada5412 Posts
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Nitrogen
United States5345 Posts
On August 14 2009 11:42 Judicator wrote: Lol, good for them, they can stay bad then. I have ran into more than enough TL members the past few days, and all of them talk massive amounts of shit in games, then fucking fail. But its ok, because the great Testie is going to bail them out or rage quit lulz? huh, the only thing all the tl dota players have in common is that we are from tl, we dont have any sort of screening process to who we let in, and i dont really feel that any of the players we have are particularly bm or anything... but a lot of them aren't so great at dota. anyways, as for axe. if you are going to go hood... just don't jungle as axe. he goes well with any sort of heal/ranged stun in a lane. vanguard isn't a great item you're right, but if you try to just jungle with hood... it doesn't work so well. you can never gank the lane because your health is so low all the time... ursa camps wreck you. | ||
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nitram
Canada5412 Posts
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paper
13196 Posts
Hood: basically +30% HP hood is better for survivability o__o; you don't even need vanguard; just a stout if youre jungling | ||
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Alventenie
United States2147 Posts
On August 14 2009 15:17 paper wrote: VG: +250 HP Hood: basically +30% HP hood is better for survivability o__o; you don't even need vanguard; just a stout if youre jungling its 300 hp now o.O vanguard is still an underrated item by alot of people. It is a solid item on some agi carries/gankers that dont have alot of hp. On axe there are games its worth it to get and others its not, but to me its very good for pushing. A vanguard lets you run past tower and tank entire creep waves and stay at full life early game (vs outer towers) so that enemies wont run in to attack you. Hood doesn't give you that option as you take alot more damage from creeps with just single stout shield. In team fights yea hood is better, but its comparing apples and oranges. a vanguard will always jungle better than a hood/stout and vice versa a hood/stout is better for a laning axe (with the exception of going van to dive past towers to push them much faster going into mid game). In either case you should be farming well enough to have both a van and hood in most games early on, the only thing you are prolonging is your blink. | ||
Live2Win
United States6657 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
He's a ranged hero with insane damage potential that can easily outrun most heroes due to his orb. So you usually go for Lothar's to increase his survivability right? I just dont see Vanguard making sense on a ranged agility hero that is hard to run up to, dominates a lane and barely has to touch creeps. Might as well go for treads->lothars or some wraith bands earlier. | ||
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Alventenie
United States2147 Posts
On August 14 2009 16:06 Ace wrote: Speaking of agility carries why do people in pubs (I know) go for Vanguard as an early item on Viper? He's a ranged hero with insane damage potential that can easily outrun most heroes due to his orb. So you usually go for Lothar's to increase his survivability right? I just dont see Vanguard making sense on a ranged agility hero that is hard to run up to, dominates a lane and barely has to touch creeps. Might as well go for treads->lothars or some wraith bands earlier. its good hp + mitigation vs creeps when he ganks lanes. It also lets him to tower dive more easily than a lothars. For most clan wars i play viper, if im farming badly (i had a really bad game once with viper, went like 2-4 in a lane and really struggled to get on my feet) i went for a simple phase/bracers/vanguard build by the end of the game (mostly due to me being ward bitch too). It really extends your hp alot in alot of ganking/small skirmishes with creeps/towers around. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
I'd think Vanguard was better mid-late game for as you said team skirmishes. But early game when you still need to sit in your lane it seems like a waste of gold. | ||
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Alventenie
United States2147 Posts
The biggest advice i can say is that you need to get your boots/hp early enough so you can gank people safely (without fear of dieing ganking 1v1) and know when to dive someone and when to back off. If you get too greedy you will almost always die on a gank. Ive let people get away at like 100 hp or so because i knew i was gonna die if i went for the kill, which sometimes isn't worth it. | ||
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