On September 09 2011 03:14 Manit0u wrote: To get things back on track quickly:
Why do you guys think isn't Succubus used in competetive scene? She seems like a pretty good support (and I'm in love with her) with decent nuke, debuff and 2 disables. Is she not viable at all or the abundance of better picks makes her unpickable at the top of the game?
Ult is channeling and is broken easily. Needs too much farm since she uses too much mana and needs good positioning to ult efficiently. A support can just take off her sleep on a carry or other hero with lots of dmg. She's very bad at stopping pushes but she can do decently in the midgame with strong ganks but not very good in 5v5 or even 4v4 skirmishes. Also she takes ages to cast a spell so you'll always get interrupted before you get to cast anything. Basically doesn't contribute anything except for awesome small ganks and teams will take advantage of succ's weaknesses. She hits like 60 dmg at level 1 for some reason
On September 09 2011 03:14 Manit0u wrote: To get things back on track quickly:
Why do you guys think isn't Succubus used in competetive scene? She seems like a pretty good support (and I'm in love with her) with decent nuke, debuff and 2 disables. Is she not viable at all or the abundance of better picks makes her unpickable at the top of the game?
Ult is channeling and is broken easily. Needs too much farm since she uses too much mana and needs good positioning to ult efficiently. A support can just take off her sleep on a carry or other hero with lots of dmg. She's very bad at stopping pushes but she can do decently in the midgame with strong ganks but not very good in 5v5 or even 4v4 skirmishes. Also she takes ages to cast a spell so you'll always get interrupted before you get to cast anything. Basically doesn't contribute anything except for awesome small ganks and teams will take advantage of succ's weaknesses. She hits like 60 dmg at level 1 for some reason
Have to give her something other than a strong true damage nuke.
In comp play you basically don't get a full Ultimate off except in small 1-2 man ganks. Unlike it pubs someone normally saves a stun for you and then you're down to sleep which supports can take for themselves and Heartache which is strong but not enough.
Some sexy combos with Valk though doing Sleep-Arrow. Also fun to do with a friend is Succubs/Devourer lane, Sleep-Hook is awesome.
On September 09 2011 08:50 Diizzy wrote: korok plays succubus mid all the time
In comp play?
Yes. He tried her vs MSI definitely, and at other times I've heard about his play of it. (A certain player missed an arrow on a slept pollywog priest... which was rather impressive, I thought).
With a hero like succubus I'm pretty sure the reason she's not played more is amount of coordination sleep takes - and player preference. Watching SK play, there were multiple times where korok slept himself to get his team to try and kill polly wards, while they just ran around him - and a single moment of miscommunication results in a useless hero. She dominates pretty much any hero mid but has a hard time farming compared to many and relies on being able to gank.
Korok definitely has used succubus in competitive play; i have only seen it twice and the first time he completely destroyed and dominated with it the other time it didn't work out.
I think she is very situational but definitely has her place. I mean sleep conduit combo is hilarious in pubs :p
On September 09 2011 08:50 Diizzy wrote: korok plays succubus mid all the time
In comp play?
Yes. He tried her vs MSI definitely, and at other times I've heard about his play of it. (A certain player missed an arrow on a slept pollywog priest... which was rather impressive, I thought).
With a hero like succubus I'm pretty sure the reason she's not played more is amount of coordination sleep takes - and player preference. Watching SK play, there were multiple times where korok slept himself to get his team to try and kill polly wards, while they just ran around him - and a single moment of miscommunication results in a useless hero. She dominates pretty much any hero mid but has a hard time farming compared to many and relies on being able to gank.
Heh if you think that's impressive you haven't seen me play
On September 09 2011 08:50 Diizzy wrote: korok plays succubus mid all the time
In comp play?
Yes. He tried her vs MSI definitely, and at other times I've heard about his play of it. (A certain player missed an arrow on a slept pollywog priest... which was rather impressive, I thought).
With a hero like succubus I'm pretty sure the reason she's not played more is amount of coordination sleep takes - and player preference. Watching SK play, there were multiple times where korok slept himself to get his team to try and kill polly wards, while they just ran around him - and a single moment of miscommunication results in a useless hero. She dominates pretty much any hero mid but has a hard time farming compared to many and relies on being able to gank.
Heh if you think that's impressive you haven't seen me play
I can't log on either. S2 be getting on my nerves. Shitty servers, silly game changes, and now the entire game not working when I want to play :@. HOPE DOTATWO WORKS BETTER
On September 09 2011 20:26 Kickstart wrote: I can't log on either. S2 be getting on my nerves. Shitty servers, silly game changes, and now the entire game not working when I want to play :@. HOPE DOTATWO WORKS BETTER
They said that there would be scheduled maintenance from 5-9am EST. There was a in-game message and a thread stickied on the forum. Shitty players, silly reading comprehension, and now the entire game is being patched when I sleep.
EPT
