EPT[HoN/DotA] Let's Play~!! - Page 1543
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BalancedBreakfast
United States468 Posts
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Alur
Denmark3900 Posts
Enjoy! Edit: Wikipedia too fast, I managed to copy the old content though + Show Spoiler + Heroes of Newerth (commonly known as HoN) is a free-to-play science fantasy, action real-time strategy game that does not work properly, it seems to be down every friday,maliken who is the owner doesnt give a rats *** about it. constantly ignoring the community's graving for answers. The hate on HON began when S2 started making promises they could not keep, granting early acces to heroes for money even though maliken and s2 made a statement earlier promising they only chargeable fee would be for cosmetics of hereos i.e. skins,taunts, announcers. Many speculate that HON will loose the entire community when DOTA 2 launches. Quotes like "omg s2 i love you" are a thing of the past and has sadly been replaced by: "****in s2, they just want our money", "wow... really... its down again???" "it was supposed to take 1 hour, THAT WAS 3 HOURS AGO!! i ****ing ate my candy allrdy" the game is developed and eventually destroyed by S2 Games for Microsoft Windows, Mac OS X and Linux. The game was heavily inspired by the Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne custom map, Defense of the Ancients and is S2 Games' first game title in the Dota genre.[2] The game was released on May 12, 2010 and re-released as a free-to-play game on July 29, 2011. | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
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GhostKorean
United States2330 Posts
Here's a topic to discuss while the servers are down: why do people pick Bombardier at all when you can take Chipper? Chipper does everything Bomb does except kill people from across the map and he has an imba magic shield and really strong slows in tar and ulti. Chipper is also really good at picking off heroes if he gets a blink. That's not to say that Bomb's ulti is bad but I just see Chipper's strengths outshining Bomb's in their role | ||
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semantics
10040 Posts
On September 10 2011 06:13 GhostKorean wrote: I honestly don't see any reason not to switch from HoN to DotA2 unless it fails spectacularly in some way like their matchmaking service is utter garbage or the game has really buggy mechanics or something. I think there will be some people that stick with HoN because "They like the heroes better" or "The metagame is better" which is garbage because if they are any decently good they won't be anyone to play against with the already small percentage of people in the HoN community that doesn't suck at the game and therefore the metagame doesn't affect them when they are picking heroes like rampage there is no THE CHIPPER! in dota 2, fuck ice frog where is my chipper. Personally i like the idea of where s2 is pushing the balance of the meta game, which is to somewhat shorter games but more team based BIG PLAYS, the games of 2 hour ricer feasts i saw although they were the minority of the dota2 games. It is just appalling to watch probably worse to play. | ||
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GhostKorean
United States2330 Posts
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Manit0u
Poland17638 Posts
On September 10 2011 06:13 GhostKorean wrote: I honestly don't see any reason not to switch from HoN to DotA2 unless it fails spectacularly in some way like their matchmaking service is utter garbage or the game has really buggy mechanics or something. I think there will be some people that stick with HoN because "They like the heroes better" or "The metagame is better" which is garbage because if they are any decently good they won't be anyone to play against with the already small percentage of people in the HoN community that doesn't suck at the game and therefore the metagame doesn't affect them when they are picking heroes like rampage Here's a topic to discuss while the servers are down: why do people pick Bombardier at all when you can take Chipper? Chipper does everything Bomb does except kill people from across the map and he has an imba magic shield and really strong slows in tar and ulti. Chipper is also really good at picking off heroes if he gets a blink. That's not to say that Bomb's ulti is bad but I just see Chipper's strengths outshining Bomb's in their role I see several reasons: 1. HoN is way more dynamic than DotA, 2. DotA2 is DotA while HoN is HoN (deviated too far from DotA). 3. I like HoN heroes and background better (is there any background for DotA?), especially that I've played Savage for quite some time. 4. Most of the competetive playerbase in DotA is in China, whereas in HoN the majority of the top teams are Euro/NA based, with one noticeable asian team (Duskbin) taking part in turnaments. | ||
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bLuR
Canada625 Posts
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wooozy
3813 Posts
idk both are great heroes also, chipper's rockets are completely hit or miss, whereas if you fail to land a sticky bomb you can still detonate it instantly to deal some damage | ||
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semantics
10040 Posts
On September 10 2011 07:06 bLuR wrote: S2 games is possibly the worst game company in the history of PC gaming, I actually feel embarrassed for them at how badly they handle this game, that could have been huge but instead is dwindling rapidly because of their arrogant and stubborn business decisions. lol k yeah the avg of peak hours with 60k users a day is dwindling vs the avg peak around 40k users a day before free to play, yup seems like s2 is making all the wrong decisions. Hon was never big even when it was pretty much a copy of dota, NA EU players in general gave up on dota a long time ago. On September 10 2011 07:09 wooozy wrote: bomb has more aoe (all four of his skills vs chipper's one... two if you want to count his tar) and in a sense is easier to play than chipper. by that i mean chipper can't hit a hero easily with rockets if they're constantly moving behind their creeps to match your own movement patterns whereas bomb can just toss a sticky bomb over (for simplicity sake, assume 1v1 mid, but not against each other because that's just silly. herp derp magic buffer). plus he's got more harass capability than chipper with boom dust idk both are great heroes also, chipper's rockets are completely hit or miss, whereas if you fail to land a sticky bomb you can still detonate it instantly to deal some damage i find killing ppl long range with chipper rockets quite rewarding, while bursting down ppl with bomb or using ult to get a kill is not so much. don't care too much ab out the meta game between the two both can be used for big plays bomb just doesn't have to be in the same lane to do a combo. | ||
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theonlyrio
United Kingdom200 Posts
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GhostKorean
United States2330 Posts
On September 10 2011 07:05 Manit0u wrote: I see several reasons: 1. HoN is way more dynamic than DotA, 2. DotA2 is DotA while HoN is HoN (deviated too far from DotA). 3. I like HoN heroes and background better (is there any background for DotA?), especially that I've played Savage for quite some time. 4. Most of the competetive playerbase in DotA is in China, whereas in HoN the majority of the top teams are Euro/NA based, with one noticeable asian team (Duskbin) taking part in turnaments. How is it more dynamic? I guess people could say that... but it's not really a good reason. That's just giving your reason without explaining why (It's a different game. Howso? I'm not telling you they're just different) Apparently there's lore for Dota and Valve is going to make "Meet the..." videos for every hero. US and EU teams might move to DotA2 when it comes out you don't know that. If HoN doesn't do well sponsors and teams will move. On September 10 2011 07:09 wooozy wrote: bomb has more aoe (all four of his skills vs chipper's one... two if you want to count his tar) and in a sense is easier to play than chipper. by that i mean chipper can't hit a hero easily with rockets if they're constantly moving behind their creeps to match your own movement patterns whereas bomb can just toss a sticky bomb over (for simplicity sake, assume 1v1 mid, but not against each other because that's just silly. herp derp magic buffer). plus he's got more harass capability than chipper with boom dust idk both are great heroes also, chipper's rockets are completely hit or miss, whereas if you fail to land a sticky bomb you can still detonate it instantly to deal some damage Saws does lots of AoE + the slow and bomb's aoe on his nonult are really small plus sticky bombs hardly hits more than 1 person same for boom dust because its really small and the third skill doesn't do much dmg. Bomb's ult is really good tho You're more thinking in a lane with hitting rockets and stickies which isn't really that big of a problem because chipper either a) rapes melee heroes or b) goes at least even with ranged heroes + 1 stun is all it takes to land a tar + rockets for instant kill. Outside of laning, it can be uncomfortable sometimes to position yourself for rockets but blink makes it super easy. Chipper does a little less damage than bomb but I think his magic shield makes up for it. You can't think of a hero as just "he's good in lane so hes a good hero" | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
Chipper is a little situational (excellent counterpick to tb for instance) while a firstpick of bomb gives nothing away about a teams' lineup. (Oh, and bomb can farm incredibly fast while chipper is forced to blow his ult if he wants to flash farm). | ||
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GhostKorean
United States2330 Posts
On September 10 2011 07:25 Nevuk wrote: Bomb is the more versatile hero. After the nerf he may be weaker at mid/solo but he's still a decent harass/babysitter - which chipper is not particularly good at (this goes out to all the teams that tried him as trilane support and failed miserably in tournaments). I may be biased though, many of the solo players I know love him and are just kind of meh aboust chipper. Also, if chipper goes focus buffer then his burst damage is severely lowered. Chipper is really randomly nerfed/buffed from godlike to unplayable levels to back, with seemingly no motivation behind the changes. Chipper is a little situational (excellent counterpick to tb for instance) while a firstpick of bomb gives nothing away about a teams' lineup. (Oh, and bomb can farm incredibly fast while chipper is forced to blow his ult if he wants to flash farm). People dual lane/trilane bomb? what the hell Focus buffer is still insanely good even at level 1. The only reason I could think of for chipper never being picked is that he was being banned all the time but I wasn't sure that was the case. Whenever a team wants to pick up a hero that chipper counters they will ban him 100% The fact that bomb farms better might be a decent point. I think that solo players love bomb because of his ulti and how much they can do with it Also apparently his rockets were buffed to do more damage a long time ago? and you don't really need more than three rockets and maybe an ult to kill someone I think you can get away with 1 less point in tar maybe even more | ||
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wonderwall
New Zealand695 Posts
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semantics
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GhostKorean
United States2330 Posts
However I think wonderwall brings up a very good point about running around farming ridic items while still having presence all over the map (again, ult and farming) And people forget about focus buffer and how good it is in teamfights. I don't think you can say bomb brings more to a teamfight than chipper when all bomb does is tons of dmg and chipper does quiet a bit of damage + magic shield Also I think boom dust sucks and his slow is better lol | ||
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bLuR
Canada625 Posts
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bLuR
Canada625 Posts
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bLuR
Canada625 Posts
On September 10 2011 07:06 bLuR wrote: S2 games is possibly the worst game company in the history of PC gaming, I actually feel embarrassed for them at how badly they handle this game, that could have been huge but instead is dwindling rapidly because of their arrogant and stubborn business decisions. On September 10 2011 07:15 semantics wrote:lol k yeah the avg of peak hours with 60k users a day is dwindling vs the avg peak around 40k users a day before free to play, yup seems like s2 is making all the wrong decisions. Hon was never big even when it was pretty much a copy of dota, NA EU players in general gave up on dota a long time ago. The only reason the numbers are higher is because they added the Garena online player statistics to the "online players" number since last week. Scroll your mouse over the number when your in the menu and you'll know what im talking about. Considering in beta it would hit 80,000 easily the fact that its at around 50,000 max not including Garena, the game has been handled embarrassingly bad. | ||
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