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On August 17 2011 22:35 Ethenielle wrote:
You don't play carries and then you mention three carries that you play.
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In any case just improve your map awareness, staying in lane to farm and then getting killed is.. bad? Buy a lane ward if you have to.
Whaaaaa? If Elec, polly, and pred are hard carries then..............I dunno.
I play Elec for his tankiness and long stun...I don't even know how to play elec as a carry, I just get a bunch of armor items and absorb over 9000 damage.
Polly you can obviously use to 1 v 1 gank like a boss, but he's as squishy as they get and I use him primarily to neutralize enemy threats.....how can you call him a hard carry......lol?
Pred is another 1 v 1 gank beast, but can also be neutralized really easily.
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How do you neutralize a dude who can leap/snare you, deals tons of damage and has built-in shrunken head?!
Polly and Elec aren't hardcarrys but they do have the possibility of carrying their team to victory 
Polly is great for pushing and Elec is awesome for ganks and early phases, especially seeing how he can hold his own against a trilane sometimes.
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Wow fun game coming up, awesome picks
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Just saw dota2 trailer, looked great.
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On August 17 2011 23:14 Manit0u wrote:How do you neutralize a dude who can leap/snare you, deals tons of damage and has built-in shrunken head?! Polly and Elec aren't hardcarrys but they do have the possibility of carrying their team to victory Polly is great for pushing and Elec is awesome for ganks and early phases, especially seeing how he can hold his own against a trilane sometimes.
My thoughts exactly. Also, it gets even harder when a pred builds shrunken head for extra HP+extra magic immune.
Lol perma immunity
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man this is almsot as worst as dallas
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On August 17 2011 23:01 Am0n3r wrote:
I am floating around 1650 raiting, what do I need to be to start playing games with TL community?
You're pretty much the perfect level to play in in-house games. There's usually one up and almost always up during peak times on weekends. Just ask for an invite from an officer
Also, watching DotA2 made me want to start playing HoN a lot more again but I know I'm gonna regret it... lol
Pred is like really damn good his magic immune is like one of the best skills in the game. Andro coming to stun you? Use stone hide while the projectile is in the air. Same for heroes like Hammerstorm, Forsaken Archer, Behemoth, Magmus. Pred gets really damn strong late game too and he's a goddamn str hero
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went so sleep at 5, woke up expecting games to be over and they're on mym vs m5
lol what happened..
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On August 17 2011 23:07 Sm3agol wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 22:35 Ethenielle wrote:
You don't play carries and then you mention three carries that you play.
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In any case just improve your map awareness, staying in lane to farm and then getting killed is.. bad? Buy a lane ward if you have to. Whaaaaa? If Elec, polly, and pred are hard carries then..............I dunno. I play Elec for his tankiness and long stun...I don't even know how to play elec as a carry, I just get a bunch of armor items and absorb over 9000 damage. Polly you can obviously use to 1 v 1 gank like a boss, but he's as squishy as they get and I use him primarily to neutralize enemy threats.....how can you call him a hard carry......lol? Pred is another 1 v 1 gank beast, but can also be neutralized really easily.
And this is why you're 1500.
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On August 18 2011 00:21 Ethenielle wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 23:07 Sm3agol wrote:On August 17 2011 22:35 Ethenielle wrote:
You don't play carries and then you mention three carries that you play.
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In any case just improve your map awareness, staying in lane to farm and then getting killed is.. bad? Buy a lane ward if you have to. Whaaaaa? If Elec, polly, and pred are hard carries then..............I dunno. I play Elec for his tankiness and long stun...I don't even know how to play elec as a carry, I just get a bunch of armor items and absorb over 9000 damage. Polly you can obviously use to 1 v 1 gank like a boss, but he's as squishy as they get and I use him primarily to neutralize enemy threats.....how can you call him a hard carry......lol? Pred is another 1 v 1 gank beast, but can also be neutralized really easily. And this is why you're 1500.
Maybe so. That's why I'm asking questions. Calling me an idiot is kind of redundant when I come into the thread asking for help. Call this a class in, "Why the DoTa/HoN/LoL community sucks balls 101."
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the reason the community "sucks" in the way percieved by you is because you ask questions and then question the responses without any respect or humility. if you want to learn, learn - if you do not, stay away.
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On August 18 2011 00:27 Sm3agol wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 00:21 Ethenielle wrote:On August 17 2011 23:07 Sm3agol wrote:On August 17 2011 22:35 Ethenielle wrote:
You don't play carries and then you mention three carries that you play.
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In any case just improve your map awareness, staying in lane to farm and then getting killed is.. bad? Buy a lane ward if you have to. Whaaaaa? If Elec, polly, and pred are hard carries then..............I dunno. I play Elec for his tankiness and long stun...I don't even know how to play elec as a carry, I just get a bunch of armor items and absorb over 9000 damage. Polly you can obviously use to 1 v 1 gank like a boss, but he's as squishy as they get and I use him primarily to neutralize enemy threats.....how can you call him a hard carry......lol? Pred is another 1 v 1 gank beast, but can also be neutralized really easily. And this is why you're 1500. Maybe so. That's why I'm asking questions. Calling me an idiot is kind of redundant when I come into the thread asking for help. Call this a class in, "Why the DoTa/HoN/LoL community sucks balls 101."
Please quote where I called you an idiot.
As you may notice in the above quote of yourself, you're even laughing at my statements. That's not the best way to respond when someone 400 mmr above you answers. Like I said, there's a reason you're 1500, and from your post I would guess this is related to game sense & knowledge.
Call this a class in... getting offended by ... nothing.. ?
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Sm3agol : Polly is generally viewed as a hero that needs (and can easily get) a significant amount of farm, pred is one of the hardest carries in the game. Elec needs about 4k-5k worth of items to really be effective after laning phase (Though with just hotbl, ring of the teacher, and some boots he can be incredibly hard to kill - that is still about 3.5k in gold).
Edit : a bit more of an explanation. Polly tends to rush a pk into sotm/refresher, or just go straight sotm/refresher - if a polly gets to this point it's pretty impossible to stop him from pushing. Shrunken head can also be picked up to help with his squishyness and to let him get a full duration tongue tie off during team fights. He's not strictly a hard carry, but he tends to be a solo mid and have 2nd or 3rd highest gpm on his team.
Predator... well, if you get about 2-3 carry items he can outcarry a lot of other heroes, and especially a few common carries are hurt pretty bad by him (Sandwraith, zephyr, any sort of tanky hero or strength hero loses to his passive).
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You should start playing heroes like Andromeda, Witch Slayer and Plague Rider. They need 0 farm (item independent) and have many ways of providing your team with what it needs.
Polly, Elec and Pred are pretty damn hard heroes to play if you're lacking in game sense/experience and sometimes even mechanics (you need really good reaction time and aim to survive with Polly later in the game to escape ganks and hex heroes instead of creeps in team fights). They're not really suitable for starting out.
And like I mentioned somewhere else, try to get a feel for every role (ganker/jungler/carry/support/initiator) and see what works best for you.
Heroes to test things with:
Soulstealer
Bubbles
Andromeda
Hammerstorm
Tempest
This 5 man team has all bases covered and playing each of this heroes can teach you different aspects of the game.
@ Nevuk:
Polly is more of an utility hero so rushing PK with him is pretty bad (rushing PK with anyone maybe except Leggionaire, Behemoth and Magmus is bad). The items you want for Polly include:
boots, bottle, nome's wisdom, tablet of command (here you can mimic probably the best Polly around, being played by Notail and grab 2x major totem after boots/bottle. You get parts for future items and +10 to all stats is always nice to have).
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On August 18 2011 00:46 Manit0u wrote:
@ Nevuk:
Polly is more of an utility hero so rushing PK with him is pretty bad (rushing PK with anyone maybe except Leggionaire, Behemoth and Magmus is bad). The items you want for Polly include:
boots, bottle, nome's wisdom, tablet of command (here you can mimic probably the best Polly around, being played by Notail and grab 2x major totem after boots/bottle. You get parts for future items and +10 to all stats is always nice to have).
Other competitive players who play polly rush it more often than him, that is true though. I never personally rush pk, but I see it done about 60-65% of the time after 1800). Then again, I'm not really a mid player so other people could tell you the proper build for polly better than me.
edit : Maybe I'm just crazy? I was thinking and don't really recall notail going for it now that I think of it.
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re: the whole ward thing -- there's quite a bit more incentive to run around and constantly ward/deward in hon, like being able to buy single wards, wards giving 50g on kill, absence of smoke and presence of striders. they're still important in dota though.
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On August 18 2011 00:59 Nevuk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 00:46 Manit0u wrote:
@ Nevuk:
Polly is more of an utility hero so rushing PK with him is pretty bad (rushing PK with anyone maybe except Leggionaire, Behemoth and Magmus is bad). The items you want for Polly include:
boots, bottle, nome's wisdom, tablet of command (here you can mimic probably the best Polly around, being played by Notail and grab 2x major totem after boots/bottle. You get parts for future items and +10 to all stats is always nice to have). Other competitive players who play polly rush it more often than him, that is true though. I never personally rush pk, but I see it done about 60-65% of the time after 1800). Then again, I'm not really a mid player so other people could tell you the proper build for polly better than me. edit : Maybe I'm just crazy? I was thinking and don't really recall notail going for it now that I think of it.
Well, I remember Notail casting with breaky and he was saying that he prefers if people don't rush PK on heroes like Polly and Tempest since these are heroes who can help gank in the laning phase and thus benefit from this few extra items before PK. And if you're playing mid with Polly (which seems to be most of the time nowadays) rushing PK means getting dominated in your lane.
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Reading over the last page I feel bad for people taking some of these ideas seriously:
-Pred is a good hero
-PK on polly is bad
-Soulstealer's a good starting hero
All ridiculous
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On August 18 2011 00:38 Glull wrote:
the reason the community "sucks" in the way percieved by you is because you ask questions and then question the responses without any respect or humility. if you want to learn, learn - if you do not, stay away.
Lesson 2 in......
I'm questioning because some of it contradicts what I've seen in actual casted/streamed games between "pro" teams. It doesn't show MMR here.........
Good example is the polly/elec thing and some of you calling him a hard carry. I've seen them played by a few "pros" and while they definitely are great pushers(and in elec case, gankers), I didn't see the "hard carry" thing at all. So I questioned that. With pred, tbh, I completely forgot about his second skill, lol.
On August 18 2011 01:20 NotJack wrote:
Reading over the last page I feel bad for people taking some of these ideas seriously:
-Pred is a good hero
-PK on polly is bad
-Soulstealer's a good starting hero
All ridiculous
And this kind of thing adds to the problems. I for one know SS is not a good starting hero because I tried multiple times and just end up being underfarmed and completely useless by mid game.
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